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To call or not to call  ? ? ? ? ?  ? ? ?

 
Seat 1: Swan_Lee ( $177.20 )
Seat 2: SunshineAA ( $180 )
Seat 3: IdiTy ( $100.70 )
Seat 5: JoeGoatly ( $200.10 )
Seat 6: Drtkd ( $219.75 )
Seat 8: jamman28 ( $211.40 )
Seat 10: modiano1234 ( $163.80 )
Seat 7: Borsallino ( $151.30 )
Seat 4:HERO ( $100 )
Seat 9: Monti666 ( $200 )
SunshineAA posts small blind [$1].
IdiTy is sitting out
HERO posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [   Kc  Ks ]
IdiTy has left the table.
JoeGoatly calls [$2]
Drtkd folds
Borsallino folds
jamman28 folds
modiano1234 folds
Swan_Lee folds
SunshineAA calls [$1]
HERO raises [$6]
JoeGoatly calls [$6]
>You have options at Jackpot #1304234 Table!.
SunshineAA calls [$6]
** Dealing Flop ** [  7c,  Qs,  4h ]
SunshineAA checks
HERO bets [$18]
JoeGoatly calls [$18]
SunshineAA is all-In  [$172]

Tick tock tick tock ...... what to do  ?

lay them down. I'm taking him for Aces.

out of curiousity what gives u that idea , when the villain had limped the sb and just called the PF raise

It's what I do when I have aces or small PP's (preflop with just a few people in the pot I like to slow play aces upto the flop)

I should have said Aces+ to be honest but I completely fail to see why he would bet a set like that. So in that case he completely overbet his pocket Aces ...

I would raise more preflop and call here, cause i'm calling everything these days and you only have 50BB's.

The only drawing hand he can have is 65.  He could i suppose have played Q4s etc and have hit 2 pair.  He could have AA or a set, slight chance of KK.  I'm also wondering what the 3rd player has. 

Generally when I see this kind of bet it's from a player who is pretty certain that he has the best hand, but is worried about getting outdrawn - usually 2pr or a set on a drawing flop.  If he's mad he might have AQ.

Probably wrong but I think I will call here probably a mistake but hopefully not a big one when I'm getting nearly 2-1.

Yes either raise more, or be prepared to lay these down. You will loose money in the long run - well thats waht Poker Tracker was telling me anyway.

Its a fold - you WILL catch the muppet when you are holding a much stronger hand than one pair

Hmm firstly i raise more preflop pop it to 12 with 2 limpers and also im not fan of being short in a cash game so not having 100bb stack is a mistake in my eyes (others will no doubt disagree)

Im assuming we are readless here as i read would be very valuable here. Ok so odds wise we have 76 back and we stand to win 145 (72+76-3). So almost 2 to 1 which is tempting.

I can't put SunshineAA on a hand you are beating, he has 77 and 44 here alot, also given he is the sb and you have priced him in preflop he could have hit a ragged 2 pr.

Im going to fold this reluctantly especially with a man behind us in the pot who may have something. This move is strong as not only has re raised you. he has raised the flat caller as well.

he has 44. and you haven't lost alot to find out.

For all those advocating a bigger raise preflop , there was just 1 limper and the sb completed, now when i was making it $8 to go i didnt even consider that the sb would be calling ,

i assumed it would be me hu with the limper , and surely  i dont want to scare him off with a big raise , i do want to get action on my KK dont i  ? ?

Yes, but not multiway.

If you do not raise morepreflop, specially OOP and with limpers, once one calls, usually they all will.

Well you got action :)

If the limper will call 6 more he will normally call 10 more. KK plays much better heads up with a bigger pot, you can have your action and i will take the bigger pot. Also people who make smaller normal raises than usual is something i constantly look out for as they are often aa or kk cos people want action.

My advice is standardise your raise and stop getting FPS (fancy play syndrome). Mine personally is 4bb + 1bb for every limper including the sb. If the table is tight i might drop it to 3bb + 1 for every limper.

I'd always sit with at least the max buy-in.

As others have said, raise to 4BB-5BB pre-flop. You're out of position and I'd be happy taking a flop with just one opponent.

There are no draws out there so why bet the pot? Over-playing high pairs post flop is the single biggest mistake people make in full-handed cash. You're typically going to push out hands that you are beating, and overpay players that catch their set. Bet 1/2 - 2/3 the pot here.

This would be a very easy fold if you had 100BB, and even with 50BB I'd be folding most of the time here.

I feel the need to call in this situation. If he really has a set, he has played it so badly its an auto reload; he has two pair? too bad. My first instinct was he's haudin 56 and believes you've missed, along wie yir flat caller. After all, it's as much about what he thinks you hold as much as what he holds....

well if u would sit with at LEAST the max , whats the maximum u would sit down with ;)



ok results time  . .. . . .

Ill let ye pick the bones out of it , i called and he showed  5c 6h and my hand held !!! ... now i know this dosent make my call a good/correct one , hence i posted for other opinions

I was more thinking he would show AQ KQ , as others have suggested he would really have overplayed a set badly in that spot so i ruled that out

Opinions ?  ? ???  ?

Probably not a great move on his part as it's a difficult laydown for you.  I only suggested calling because of pot odds.  Difficult to know if he just is an idiot or making this move in the hope of getting paid in the future if he plays a set/2pr the same way.

I know it reads funny :) but what I mean is that I never have less than the max buy-in at any table. If I fall below 100BB I always top up.

Glad you won the pot.