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Seat 1: oodabooda ($491.20)
Seat 2: sbx2117 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 3: JONAH J ($376.20)
Seat 4: deznut ($681.10)
Seat 5: UpTheMariners ($418)
Seat 6: evodg3nr8 ($400)
Seat 7: hemiscott ($76.30)
Seat 8: knight165 ($213)
Seat 9: MisterSid ($400)
JONAH J posts the big blind of $4
MisterSid posts $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [Ad Ah]
deznut folds
sbx2117 stands up
kicksomeass adds $400
UpTheMariners raises to $12
evodg3nr8 calls $12
hemiscott folds
knight165 folds
MisterSid folds
oodabooda has 15 seconds left to act
oodabooda folds
JONAH J calls $8
*** FLOP *** [8c 4h 5c]
JONAH J checks
UpTheMariners bets $30
evodg3nr8 raises to $80
JONAH J has 15 seconds left to act
JONAH J folds

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Re Raise all in

I'm guessing the chippies will end up in the middle.

I'd reraise to 200 here. No free cards on this flop.

I agree with the re-raise...he's probably hit the set or flopped the straight, but you need to find out.
If he re-raises, fold.
If he calls, you don't want to put any more money in here unless the turn is an Ace (preferably not the Ac) and even then you have to be very careful.

I call and bet 100 on a non club turn.

what if another non club danger card comes down? IOW 6 or 7. you can't give out free cards in a situation like this.

I re-raise.  Without any information on him, he could see your bet as a standard continuation bet, or he could have and overpair.

Of course, he could have a straight if he's called preflop with 76, or a flush draw (or a straight flush draw), or a set - but it depends on what sort of player he is.

I like the re-raise that Boldie suggested.  Although what you'd do if he then re-popped you all-in I'm not sure.

There not really free cards if he has a set, a str8 2 pr or more likely some sort of combo draw where he is happy to stick all the money in.  I did think about the 6 or 7 when I posted but just wanted to give a simple answer however wld prob chk and see what he bet.

I suppose the main debate here is whether it's better to stick the money in on these kind of flops or wait for a safeish turn.  I suppose that we should work out the possible holdings - where a read of some kind would be helpful i.e. if this is a fairly tight player the possibility of an overpair or AcKc/Qc goes way up unfortunately so does the set possibility.  A looser player could also have a set, but the drawing hands are a strong possibility
 

ok this is what i did i called then bet $85 into the large pot, he then flat called

hmm the problem with that is that the bet isn't big enough for him to fold not matter what cards he has.

What was the turn?

9h

the reason why i am asking these questions is because this month i am breaking even with aces. just seeing whether i am playing them wrong....

ok so I take it your chips went in the middle when that 9 came? Your raise on the flop was too small for him to fold anything...the 9 can not have helped him (unless it made his two pair..) so now is the time to decide to let him take the pot or whether you want it. My chips would be in the middle here.

the pot is big enough. so it's all in time for me.

i never raised the flop? 

I meant re-raise you said you called the 80 and then stuck an extra 85$ in. I read that as a re-raise, or did I read that wrong?

I don't see the point of flat calling then betting out???  Why did you do that instead of re raising?

trying to keep control of the pot. i will reraise on flop in future, and fold if he comes over the top again.

How much of your stack will you have put in with a reraise on the flop though?

I dont fold on the flop @ all. All in on flop ( any re raise gives him odds to call with flush draw anyway, and if he pushes you call right?).....or call the $50 and push the turn on a non scary turn card. I think hes either got an overpair or a set here, either one hes not folding but just to keep the pot under control and force an error on your opponents side if he has flush draw... i might peel off one more card. If he had club draw here, a call might be better spot, cos you either fold AK,AQ here or you push over the top so I cant see him holding 2 clubs, plus hes in position  and can just call for $30.

BTW, If he does have an overpair and u move all in - he folds his overpair where as if you call and lead @ a non scary turn card he may go with it. Just my thoughts.

the guy had a set is there anyway i can get away from this is my point? most of these posts advise me to push with only one pair surely this isnt right?

The fact that its a drawing flop is why ppl are advising aggression - if this was a tightish player u cld prob find a fold - but no one knows what kind of player he is.

Yeah i figured it was overpair or set .If you call then lead a non threatening turn and he pushes- chances are you;re beat. You don't HAVE to lose your stack here,if you call then lead like $100 on turn and he moves all in . Despite putting in like $200 you can save the last $200 cos its sickly likely you;re beat. But chances are you gonna get stacked this hand.

If you're raised big on the flop OOP against an unknown or tight player after you've raised pre-flop with AA in full-handed cash, and you're both deep, then your best move long-term is to fold.

Over-playing big pairs post-flop is the biggest single mistake people make in full-handed cash.