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Title: Omaha Hand
Post by: Jezebel on January 29, 2007, 10:07:48 AM
Do you raise call or fold in this situation??

$2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha

I play $427, Villian plays $226

My hand is  Ad  8h  Ac  2c

I flat call and 5 players see a flop which consists of

 9h Aspades  5c

I pot bet $20 and get one caller turn comes  Jc

I bet $40 into $57 pot and he calls again river is  2s

He now decides to bet $144 only leaving himself $16 left Do I call or fold??  Giving the strength he is now showing.






Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 10:31:48 AM
Do you raise call or fold in this situation??

$2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha

I play $427, Villian plays $226

My hand is  Ad  8h  Ac  2c

I flat call and 5 players see a flop which consists of

 9h Aspades  5c

I pot bet $20 and get one caller turn comes  Jc

I bet $40 into $57 pot and he calls again river is  2s

He now decides to bet $144 only leaving himself $16 left Do I call or fold??  Giving the strength he is now showing.






On Question 1; I re-raise pre-flop


Q2. All in

Or fold and buy yourself some ice cream :)

Note to self...if this is a wind-up, which it surely is, say you already knew and that you were just playing along :)


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: Jezebel on January 29, 2007, 11:10:50 AM
Sorry I should have made it clear, there was no raise pre flop, everyone limped.  Why do you think this is a joke?


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 11:22:27 AM
Sorry I should have made it clear, there was no raise pre flop, everyone limped.  Why do you think this is a joke?

Because this situation is extremely simple.

You have just about the best starting hand Omaha High can give you. Pocket Aces with the Possible nut flush draw (2 sooted cards). you have to raise preflop to run out the rags in this. It is a must in Omaha to raise with any hand this good before the flop. everyone has 4 cards and there are too many flops that can turn your great hand into a disastrous one.

then you hit the nuts on the flop with your trip Aces. I would be surprised if he called your potsized bet with 234 (he surely would have to have any of these three cards to have any solid hope of making his straight but fair enough if he did)

then the Turn can not have been any help to him if he is looking for the straight. would he call a 40$ bet for the gutshot? (again, to have any decent odds of getting it he would need to have the entire range covered in my opinion)

The two then comes to make a possible straight. but as there aren't many players who would play the 234 preflop (even a flat call with it is poor play) I would almost discount him having the 234 range. (say Ace, 234 starting hand)

that would really be the only hand that makes sense. If you flat called and he turned over the straight and he's a half decent player he MUST have 2,3,4 in his hand.

I reckon that's unlikely enough to warrant a call here.


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 11:25:46 AM
Sorry I should have made it clear, there was no raise pre flop, everyone limped.  Why do you think this is a joke?

BTW..didn't mean to come across as arrogant or patronising. It has been known on the forum for someone to start a new account and ask questions such as this and I tend to write extremely elaborate posts which take me ages to write and for then to only find out it was all a joke...as the man said "I am easily whooshed"


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: Jezebel on January 29, 2007, 12:25:45 PM
The reason I flat called with Aces is because in omaha I don't rate them at all and I would be building a pot whereby there could be any number of flops where I wouldn't know where I stand.  If I flat call I keep the pot manageable and also have a disguised hand. If another player flops a set he is less likely to fold it imo as he wouldn't think I had aces from the pre flop action.  Of course I will sometimes raise with Aces just to mix it up a bit, the same way I sometimes call and raise with 4 connectors.


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 12:30:19 PM
The reason I flat called with Aces is because in omaha I don't rate them at all and I would be building a pot whereby there could be any number of flops where I wouldn't know where I stand.  If I flat call I keep the pot manageable and also have a disguised hand. If another player flops a set he is less likely to fold it imo as he wouldn't think I had aces from the pre flop action.  Of course I will sometimes raise with Aces just to mix it up a bit, the same way I sometimes call and raise with 4 connectors.

Aces by themselves in Omaha mean very little however you also have a FD possibility with the deuce of clubs.. you do want to run the rags out though and if you are at a very loose table where you know people will call with any two you want to build the pot with a hand like this.


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: Jezebel on January 29, 2007, 03:47:18 PM
He had

T 9 3 4 can't remember the suits but he didn't have a flush draw, tbh the post was a bit tongue in cheek as there is no way I fold here BUT people rarely bluff in omaha from my experience.  I was probably only beating a bluff on the river to as what other hands would make sense here??  Maybe a set of Jacks but would he really wait until the river to make a bet that size?


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 03:53:00 PM
He had

T 9 3 4 can't remember the suits but he didn't have a flush draw, tbh the post was a bit tongue in cheek as there is no way I fold here BUT people rarely bluff in omaha from my experience.  I was probably only beating a bluff on the river to as what other hands would make sense here??  Maybe a set of Jacks but would he really wait until the river to make a bet that size?

t934?...jesus..reload and take all his cash..and take down his name and look him up next time. That is desperate play to keep calling your bets.


Title: Re: Omaha Hand
Post by: Royal Flush on January 30, 2007, 05:40:01 AM
Not raising pre flop is fine.

UL.