Title: O/T - army bullying Post by: matt674 on January 29, 2007, 12:45:48 PM Not sure whether there is already a topic posted about this but i've just been reading about it in today's Sun. I have to admit i've not read the full article - i wimped out as the torment that the 19 year old private goes thru sounds horrific. The story reads:
"It brings fresh shame to the crack Royal Green Jackets infantry unit, which is already being probed over bullying allegations. The 19 year old private in the regiments 2nd Battalion, wearing a spurs shirt part of the time," I couldn't read any further - i hope the people responsible are brought to justice quickly to stamp this kind of torture out!!! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: RED-DOG on January 29, 2007, 12:52:08 PM Not sure whether there is already a topic posted about this but i've just been reading about it in today's Sun. I have to admit i've not read the full article - i wimped out as the torment that the 19 year old private goes thru sounds horrific. The story reads: "It brings fresh shame to the crack Royal Green Jackets infantry unit, which is already being probed over bullying allegations. The 19 year old private in the regiments 2nd Battalion, wearing a spurs shirt part of the time," I couldn't read any further - i hope the people responsible are brought to justice quickly to stamp this kind of torture out!!! Caution! looking directly at the Sun without the use of scepticism could seriously damage your perception of reality. Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: JungleCat03 on January 29, 2007, 01:01:17 PM Not sure whether there is already a topic posted about this but i've just been reading about it in today's Sun. I have to admit i've not read the full article - i wimped out as the torment that the 19 year old private goes thru sounds horrific. The story reads: "It brings fresh shame to the crack Royal Green Jackets infantry unit, which is already being probed over bullying allegations. The 19 year old private in the regiments 2nd Battalion, wearing a spurs shirt part of the time," I couldn't read any further - i hope the people responsible are brought to justice quickly to stamp this kind of torture out!!! Caution! looking directly at the Sun without the use of scepticism could seriously damage your perception of reality. I have the same problem looking at the mirror! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: matt674 on January 29, 2007, 01:03:48 PM Caution! looking directly at the Sun without the use of scepticism could seriously damage your perception of reality. True - but a spurs shirt?!?!?!? What is today's society coming to when human beings can subject a fellow human to such degradation and humiliation? Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 29, 2007, 01:11:29 PM I get the feeling this sort of thing is an 'accepted' part of Army life, part of the 'toughening up process', and has been going on for years and years. The only difference nowadays is that more stories, and more importantly more footage, about it seem to be leaking out to the press. I'm sure that not everyone goes through the extreme treatment that get reported but I'm sure that everyone goes through some sort of 'beasting' to some extent. In outside circles it would be seen as bullying, but this is a totally different environment and not one I'm familiar with.
I'd be intrigued to hear what the ex-Army guys on here think of all this. They can perhaps give the best perspective on it. Sheriff 'Bloodsport For All' - Carter USM, written in 1990/1: Bloodsport for all said Corporal Flash And shoved me in a room full of C.S. gas Stuck me in a wet-suit to dry off in the sun And fed me pet food, Kit-e-Kat and Chum Stand up and beg said Sergeant Kirby Lay down, play dead for Di and Fergie Roll up, roll up goes the revielle Abuse the bugle boy of Company B Suffer in silence said Brigadier General Holmes Or change your name to Smith or Jones Learn to live with all the death threat notes The big bananas and the racist jokes Stand up and beg said Sergeant Kirby Lay down, play dead for Di and Fergie Roll up, roll up goes the revielle Abuse the bugle boy of Company B CHORUS And the coldest stream guards of them all Sang God Save the Queen, Bloodsport for All And the coldest stream guards of them all Sang God Save the Queen, Bloodsport for All While we're on the subject, I've been called a spade Single filed in public With my privates on parade I hope my feet go flat Before I hang myself Because I can't take this crap I'm going A.W.O.L. CHORUS Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 01:14:40 PM I am appaled by all this...I think there's only one solution;
Stop letting wimps join the army..send them to the Navy where they belong. Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: thetank on January 29, 2007, 01:16:07 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF.
Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: matt674 on January 29, 2007, 01:18:33 PM I'm sure that not everyone goes through the extreme treatment that get reported but I'm sure that everyone goes through some sort of 'beasting' to some extent. Possibly but burning someone's nipples with a lighter or removing their pubic hairs one by one with a pair of tweezers is one thing but making them wear a spurs shirt?!?!?!?! Shocking!! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: KingPoker on January 29, 2007, 01:27:13 PM ## Possibly but burning someone's nipples with a lighter or removing their pubic hairs one by one with a pair of tweezers is one thing ?!?!?!?! ah i see you must be in a rugby team aswell. The best one we did was with the lynx flamethrower on a boys hairy arse!!!!! It ws about 10x quicker than waxing anyway! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 01:27:22 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF. well yes..but who has a moustache these days? Surely only Magnum wannabees? Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: KingPoker on January 29, 2007, 01:29:30 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF. well yes..but who has a moustache these days? Surely only Magnum wannabees? now you come to mention it Red is a bit like magnum, of course without the ferarri, the girls and the ruggid good looks! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 01:35:00 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF. well yes..but who has a moustache these days? Surely only Magnum wannabees? now you come to mention it Red is a bit like magnum, of course without the ferarri, the girls and the ruggid good looks! Red always wanted to be one of them motorcycle cops...they all have moustaches. Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: KingPoker on January 29, 2007, 01:36:32 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF. well yes..but who has a moustache these days? Surely only Magnum wannabees? now you come to mention it Red is a bit like magnum, of course without the ferarri, the girls and the ruggid good looks! Red always wanted to be one of them motorcycle cops...they all have moustaches. More specifically he wanted to be the one in the Village People! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: matt674 on January 29, 2007, 01:39:24 PM ah i see you must be in a rugby team aswell. eerrrmmmmmmm................ the weekend before that had hotel availability issues due to Six Nations Rugby you mean people actually pay good money to watch 30 men chase an egg? :dontask: They should play our version where you chase the chicken!! Much more entertaining :D Woh woh woh! I wouldn start piss taking rugby if your coming to wales. (im assuming your english for this one)- Just coz you have gone absolutely garbage at it. Typical english- GLORYHUNTERS! no ;D Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: boldie on January 29, 2007, 01:44:12 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF. well yes..but who has a moustache these days? Surely only Magnum wannabees? now you come to mention it Red is a bit like magnum, of course without the ferarri, the girls and the ruggid good looks! Red always wanted to be one of them motorcycle cops...they all have moustaches. More specifically he wanted to be the one in the Village People! Well a man can dream...shame his dancing wasn't good enough at the audition otherwise he could have made it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK0PVKfN7M0 Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: RED-DOG on January 29, 2007, 03:09:46 PM Unless the wimps have moustaches, then they go to the RAF. Smoke me a kipper..... Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: Acidmouse on January 29, 2007, 03:29:48 PM I thought it was standard practice to break and then build you up in the Army? or is this just in the movies :P
Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: KingPoker on January 29, 2007, 03:33:16 PM Its called beasting, i have mates in the marines and the paras and its a daily practice. And they are some of the most mentally tough guys i know. Its the same as anything, if you cant take it, its a horrible thing! If you can it will make you stronger!
Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: wader leg on January 29, 2007, 11:42:20 PM I remember being scared stiff on my first tour with the AMFL, cus the broom handle was in regular use on new privates!!! No, it never hapened to me... Reminds me of Scout Camp when I was a lad.Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: AndrewT on January 30, 2007, 12:01:09 AM I remember being scared stiff on my first tour with the AMFL, cus the broom handle was in regular use on new privates!!! No, it never hapened to me... "They don't like it up 'em" (http://www.owen.org/blog/wp-content/joneshead.jpg) Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: The Dundonian on January 30, 2007, 12:15:38 AM I was 10 years in the army and I very rarely came across bullying. I have seen it much more (and more subtely done) in civilian life.
I can't speak for the infantry regiments, who are all half daft anyhow, but in the Corps it's a very rare thing. But I do have to agree with Matt what sort of psychological trauma will that poor boy face in later life having to wear a Spurs top now! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: Geo the Sarge on January 30, 2007, 05:36:51 PM Ok read the article now (read it in newsagents!). It hasn't really changed my original view or my take on bullying in the army. I actually wrote on this for a sociology A-Level once but I won't waffle on like I did in that. a. The media sensationalises as we all know. b. A degree of bullying goes on, only a fool would deny it. However that happens in civvy street too. c. My perception of what is and what is not bullying will differ from a great many civilians. I think it is a question of what things you are exposed to - whether it be a degree of bullying at some time, harsh events on op tours etc d. There is possibly a belief that it is a form of natural selection. I kind of go along with this (though I don't condone many of the more extreme cases). Sadly due to a number of factors (low recruiting figures,recruits with psychological problems, broken homes, low fitness etc etc) we are now getting guys joining up that are way below the standard required. Some blokes break without ever undergoing strenuous training. When you go away you need to now that the lads working in your section are up to standard i.e. mentally tough enough. If they aren't they are going to cause you problems down the line in a rather nasty environment. So you need to find out if they are upto scratch. Obviously there are ways and means, legal and illegal. The more intelligent amongst us will push guys to the limit within the bounds of the law and will use common sense/management principles to get what we want. Others will use out of date brutish methods... e. Lookng at what happened to him seems a tad nasty but, as others have pointed out, is not too different to events in a rugby club bar. He got tied up, had a trainer strapped to his head (why????) and his butt hair burnt. Its not really that bad in the scheme of things. I remember being scared stiff on my first tour with the AMFL, cus the broom handle was in regular use on new privates!!! No, it never hapened to me... f. Another poster points out that 'if we do this to our own, what do we do to the enemy?' Well for the most part we act within the bounds of the geneva convention. Again, the odd idiot lets us down. But at the end of the day, big men with guns do a nasty job dealing with the worst scum you can imagine so that everyone else can have a peaceful nights sleep unaware of what truely lies out there in the middle east. Who do you want doing that job for you - peaches and cream or blkes who aren't afraid to knock chunks out of each other every once in a while??? All a bit serious and depressing really for a poker forum. Apologise for the poor quality post. Many holes in it, but I have been multi tabling at the same time. Aspades Good post JJ. Having spent 23 years as an Infantryman (hence the monker) I can concur with Dundonian that the training regime would have been much "tougher" than within a Corps. The majority of bullying witnessed was usually done within peer groups when individuals were deemed not to be pulling their weight, often leading to extra work/punishments for his or her section, troop or whatever. This does not infer that I condone this at any level. Bullying of a nature such as a junior or senior NCO using their rank to force individuals into doing something they did not want to do, or just to embarass them was not tolerated at any time. I have been encouraged through reading these posts that non military types can at times see through the sensationalism of some media reports. A very good thread in my very honest opinion. Geo. Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: Nem on January 30, 2007, 05:41:59 PM ;nemesis;
Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: matt674 on January 30, 2007, 07:51:21 PM ;nemesis; best bet is this thread was started for your and Colch Kev's benefit and for some reason i seem to have started a serious debate!! ;whistle; Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: tikay on January 30, 2007, 08:17:58 PM ;nemesis; best bet is this thread was started for your and Colch Kev's benefit and for some reason i seem to have started a serious debate!! ;whistle; By blonde standards, a back-to-front thread. Most of them start out serious & end up silly, this one starterd out silly & ended up serious! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: taximan007 on January 30, 2007, 08:52:34 PM Thats the beauty of THIS forum, the diversity, i find it very entertaining
Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: The Dundonian on January 30, 2007, 09:24:03 PM ;nemesis; best bet is this thread was started for your and Colch Kev's benefit and for some reason i seem to have started a serious debate!! ;whistle; By blonde standards, a back-to-front thread. Most of them start out serious & end up silly, this one starterd out silly & ended up serious! It started off silly? The poor laddie was wearing a Spurs top Tikay! Mentally scarred for life! Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: tikay on January 30, 2007, 09:28:09 PM ;nemesis; best bet is this thread was started for your and Colch Kev's benefit and for some reason i seem to have started a serious debate!! ;whistle; By blonde standards, a back-to-front thread. Most of them start out serious & end up silly, this one starterd out silly & ended up serious! It started off silly? The poor laddie was wearing a Spurs top Tikay! Mentally scarred for life! True. I apologise...... Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: tikay on January 30, 2007, 09:29:06 PM I heard that Bill Nicholson was no longer Spurs Manager. Surely not?
Title: Re: O/T - army bullying Post by: thetank on January 31, 2007, 12:59:00 AM I will gouge out your eyes, then make you listen to a video from the '91 FA Cup.
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