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Title: River Reraise Post by: The Baron on January 30, 2007, 05:50:44 PM Dumb and Dumber 10474841-240325 Holdem No Limit $2/$4
[Jan 30 17:45:59] : Hand Start. [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 1 : archie1st has $383 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 2 : Murchan has $357.79 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 3 : coops69 has $145.72 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 4 : -The Baron- has $452.75 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 5 : TAPAHMAN has $122 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 6 : Carterboy has $339.14 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : coops69 is the dealer. [Jan 30 17:45:59] : -The Baron- posted small blind. [Jan 30 17:46:00] : TAPAHMAN posted big blind. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Murchan posted big blind and dead small blind. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Game [240325] started with 6 players. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Seat 4 : -The Baron- has Th 3h [Jan 30 17:46:05] : Carterboy called $4 [Jan 30 17:46:07] : archie1st folded. [Jan 30 17:46:10] : Murchan checked. [Jan 30 17:46:10] : coops69 folded. [Jan 30 17:46:11] : -The Baron- called $2 [Jan 30 17:46:16] : TAPAHMAN checked. [Jan 30 17:46:16] : Dealing flop. [Jan 30 17:46:16] : Board cards [5h Qc 9h] [Jan 30 17:46:20] : -The Baron- checked. [Jan 30 17:46:23] : TAPAHMAN checked. [Jan 30 17:46:25] : Carterboy bet $16 [Jan 30 17:46:27] : Murchan called $16 [Jan 30 17:46:28] : -The Baron- called $16 [Jan 30 17:46:33] : TAPAHMAN folded. [Jan 30 17:46:34] : Dealing turn. [Jan 30 17:46:34] : Board cards [5h Qc 9h Tc] [Jan 30 17:46:35] : -The Baron- checked. [Jan 30 17:46:37] : Carterboy checked. [Jan 30 17:46:39] : Murchan checked. [Jan 30 17:46:40] : Dealing river. [Jan 30 17:46:40] : Board cards [5h Qc 9h Tc 3c] [Jan 30 17:46:45] : -The Baron- bet $25 [Jan 30 17:46:56] : Carterboy called $25 and raised $100 Carterboy is a useful, sometimes tricky but generally textbook, loose aggressive player. Do you call here? Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: Nem on January 30, 2007, 05:54:57 PM Dumb and Dumber 10474841-240325 Holdem No Limit $2/$4 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Hand Start. [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 1 : archie1st has $383 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 2 : Murchan has $357.79 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 3 : coops69 has $145.72 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 4 : -The Baron- has $452.75 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 5 : TAPAHMAN has $122 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : Seat 6 : Carterboy has $339.14 [Jan 30 17:45:59] : coops69 is the dealer. [Jan 30 17:45:59] : -The Baron- posted small blind. [Jan 30 17:46:00] : TAPAHMAN posted big blind. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Murchan posted big blind and dead small blind. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Game [240325] started with 6 players. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Jan 30 17:46:03] : Seat 4 : -The Baron- has Th 3h [Jan 30 17:46:05] : Carterboy called $4 [Jan 30 17:46:07] : archie1st folded. [Jan 30 17:46:10] : Murchan checked. [Jan 30 17:46:10] : coops69 folded. [Jan 30 17:46:11] : -The Baron- called $2 [Jan 30 17:46:16] : TAPAHMAN checked. [Jan 30 17:46:16] : Dealing flop. [Jan 30 17:46:16] : Board cards [5h Qc 9h] [Jan 30 17:46:20] : -The Baron- checked. [Jan 30 17:46:23] : TAPAHMAN checked. [Jan 30 17:46:25] : Carterboy bet $16 [Jan 30 17:46:27] : Murchan called $16 [Jan 30 17:46:28] : -The Baron- called $16 [Jan 30 17:46:33] : TAPAHMAN folded. [Jan 30 17:46:34] : Dealing turn. [Jan 30 17:46:34] : Board cards [5h Qc 9h Tc] [Jan 30 17:46:35] : -The Baron- checked. [Jan 30 17:46:37] : Carterboy checked. [Jan 30 17:46:39] : Murchan checked. [Jan 30 17:46:40] : Dealing river. [Jan 30 17:46:40] : Board cards [5h Qc 9h Tc 3c] [Jan 30 17:46:45] : -The Baron- bet $25 [Jan 30 17:46:56] : Carterboy called $25 and raised $100 Carterboy is a useful, sometimes tricky but generally textbook, loose aggressive player. Do you call here? No Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: doubleup on January 30, 2007, 05:58:21 PM Going to have to call this as his betting doesnt seem to make any sense. If he had picked up the club draw on the turn he would surely have bet again. I think I would have to put him on a heart draw and call.
Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: The Baron on January 30, 2007, 07:34:57 PM Why not Nem?
Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: The Baron on January 30, 2007, 07:37:27 PM Going to have to call this as his betting doesnt seem to make any sense. If he had picked up the club draw on the turn he would surely have bet again. I think I would have to put him on a heart draw and call. But betting $125 to win $87? He's only in for $20 before the river? Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: doubleup on January 30, 2007, 08:00:12 PM Going to have to call this as his betting doesnt seem to make any sense. If he had picked up the club draw on the turn he would surely have bet again. I think I would have to put him on a heart draw and call. But betting $125 to win $87? He's only in for $20 before the river? He could of course have Ac5c or Ac9c but you have shown weakness on the flop and turn - so if he's bluffing he's going to bet enough to make you think hard about calling. Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: snoopy1239 on January 30, 2007, 08:51:34 PM I think you should have checked called this River, too many re-raising hands can be made on that River, plus it leaves someone the opportunity to push you off a better hand with a bluff.
Personally, I prefer to fold on the Flop. Out of position with a non-nutty flush draw - not keen. For me, if I hit, I'm unlikely to get paid as everyone else will slow down, yet I leave myself open to doing my whole stack against a bigger flush. If I am going to call the Flop, I will bet out the Turn when a non-heart arrives. ps. I'd just fold on the River, unless he's an idiot, you're only beating a stonecold bluff, and when it comes to re-raising Rivers, they are too infrequent to take the risk of calling. The only hand I can imagine he has that you're beating is the missed flush draw, say Ahrt 6h. Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: The Baron on January 30, 2007, 09:43:15 PM I think you should have checked called this River, too many re-raising hands can be made on that River, plus it leaves someone the opportunity to push you off a better hand with a bluff. Personally, I prefer to fold on the Flop. Out of position with a non-nutty flush draw - not keen. For me, if I hit, I'm unlikely to get paid as everyone else will slow down, yet I leave myself open to doing my whole stack against a bigger flush. If I am going to call the Flop, I will bet out the Turn when a non-heart arrives. ps. I'd just fold on the River, unless he's an idiot, you're only beating a stonecold bluff, and when it comes to re-raising Rivers, they are too infrequent to take the risk of calling. The only hand I can imagine he has that you're beating is the missed flush draw, say Ahrt 6h. Thanks Snoops. I agree with all of this (especially my flop play) and did fold the river I just wasn't 100% sure I should have. Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: AlexMartin on February 01, 2007, 12:05:26 AM Really interesting hand. Carterboy is a major winning player at those levels, but this doesnt add up. I think its a borderline call here.
If he has a made hand on the flop, he surely bets the turn also. If he thinks your drawing hand hasnt arrived, he could well trying a bluff, figuring thats all your bet means. But the bet is v. large. Only hand that matches the betting is KhJh. But he is in the SB........ i dunno. Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: The Baron on February 01, 2007, 12:45:09 AM He is very good and capable bluffing here if he thinks I'm full of it.
I guess that's why I'm so confused. Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: SupaMonkey on February 02, 2007, 03:52:26 PM If I am going to call the Flop, I will bet out the Turn when a non-heart arrives. Why, what are you trying to represent here? Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: snoopy1239 on February 02, 2007, 04:57:23 PM If I am going to call the Flop, I will bet out the Turn when a non-heart arrives. Why, what are you trying to represent here? Baron is in the small blind and could have any decent holding that would check call a Flop bet and then bet out on the Turn, eg. 9-5, Q-9, Q-5, 9-9, 5-5, decent Q - should scare any marginal holdings into folding. In online cash games, you don't want to worry too much about the story you're telling. If your opponent is weak, then he'll probably fold. Most player's thinking doesn't strech as far as you think. Title: Re: River Reraise Post by: Table Manners on February 03, 2007, 01:07:41 AM Ac 9c is a possible holding
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