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Title: Cash Game Hand Post by: UpTheMariners on January 31, 2007, 04:09:51 AM Striker09: Hands played 161, V$IP 16%, Pre-Flop Raise 1% - Rock
[Jan 31 03:18:30] : Hand Start. [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 1 : lionhart37 has $188.75 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 2 : Mindgameu has $1,020.69 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 3 : whodey78 has $80 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 4 : -P0nt00n- has $655.41 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 5 : striker09 has $220.75 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 6 : damoventy has $142 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 7 : DeadPlan has $28 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 8 : BBDefendah has $403 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Seat 9 : zerohour99 has $188 [Jan 31 03:18:30] : Mindgameu is the dealer. [Jan 31 03:18:30] : whodey78 will be allowed to play after the button. [Jan 31 03:18:31] : -P0nt00n- posted small blind. [Jan 31 03:18:31] : striker09 posted big blind. [Jan 31 03:18:31] : Game [81208] started with 8 players. [Jan 31 03:18:31] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Jan 31 03:18:31] : Seat 4 : -P0nt00n- has Td 9s [Jan 31 03:18:33] : damoventy folded. [Jan 31 03:18:37] : DeadPlan folded. [Jan 31 03:18:38] : BBDefendah folded. [Jan 31 03:18:38] : zerohour99 folded. [Jan 31 03:18:38] : lionhart37 folded. [Jan 31 03:18:42] : Mindgameu called $4 [Jan 31 03:18:44] : -P0nt00n- called $2 [Jan 31 03:18:47] : striker09 checked. [Jan 31 03:18:48] : Dealing flop. [Jan 31 03:18:48] : Board cards [Th 4c Tc] [Jan 31 03:18:56] : -P0nt00n- checked. [Jan 31 03:19:03] : striker09 bet $10 [Jan 31 03:19:12] : Mindgameu folded. [Jan 31 03:19:14] : -P0nt00n- called $10 [Jan 31 03:19:15] : Dealing turn. [Jan 31 03:19:15] : Board cards [Th 4c Tc As] [Jan 31 03:19:24] : -P0nt00n- bet $20 [Jan 31 03:19:31] : striker09 called $20 and raised $20 [Jan 31 03:19:45] : It's your turn. what do you do? Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Horneris on January 31, 2007, 04:20:19 AM With him being the big blind its very difficult to put him on a hand, altho he could have a big hand because of his lack of tendancy to raise pre flop.
I would struggle to put him on pocket fours as hes BB, i would be more likely to put him on a 10 with a random kicker (could be a 2, could be a queen, could be a 4! lol), or ace rag of clubs, calling on the flop with the flush draw, then hitting the ace and raising minimum with his 2 pair. I think theres slightly more chance that youre ahead than behind and would call here, and check call the river (unless the river is a club then i would have to review the situation depending on new factors). Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: ifm on January 31, 2007, 04:22:11 AM Raise to $100, see if he likes his Ace/draw.
Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Smart Money on January 31, 2007, 04:48:20 AM With him being the big blind its very difficult to put him on a hand, altho he could have a big hand because of his lack of tendancy to raise pre flop. I would struggle to put him on pocket fours as hes BB, i would be more likely to put him on a 10 with a random kicker (could be a 2, could be a queen, could be a 4! lol), or ace rag of clubs, calling on the flop with the flush draw, then hitting the ace and raising minimum with his 2 pair. I think theres slightly more chance that youre ahead than behind and would call here, and check call the river (unless the river is a club then i would have to review the situation depending on new factors). What he said. :) I would probably 1/2 pot-bet the river though. He won't raise without a FH if he's that much of a rock. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Horneris on January 31, 2007, 03:55:34 PM I agree in reflection. 1/2ish pot bet the river.
Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: kinboshi on January 31, 2007, 04:04:59 PM ...or ace rag of clubs, calling on the flop with the flush draw, then hitting the ace and raising minimum with his 2 pair. That seems the most likely holding to me. I'd call, and then bet at the river whatever comes down. Although a re-raise would certainly establish where you stand now. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: AlexMartin on January 31, 2007, 11:54:01 PM ...or ace rag of clubs, calling on the flop with the flush draw, then hitting the ace and raising minimum with his 2 pair. That seems the most likely holding to me. I'd call, and then bet at the river whatever comes down. Although a re-raise would certainly establish where you stand now. Im calling and blocker betting the river 1/4 pot. If he has you well beaten he makes a big bet. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Smart Money on February 01, 2007, 04:09:50 AM I agree in reflection. 1/2ish pot bet the river. What he said. :) Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: snoopy1239 on February 01, 2007, 04:14:02 AM I'd raise again.
Aces and Fours are unlikely, especially considering the Flop bet, so you only have to worry about a bigger Ten. Considering there are only four that are bigger, and one of them perhaps would have raised pre-flop, I think it's worth the gamble of sticking in a chunky re-raise. If he has you beat, then hard luck, but he could easily have a flush draw here and I'd hate to see you have to pay off a big bet on the River if a club fell. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: UpTheMariners on February 01, 2007, 04:29:02 AM i passed the hand and he showed j,10
WHAT A LAY DOWN!!! ;woohoo; Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: snoopy1239 on February 01, 2007, 04:52:30 AM i passed the hand and he showed j,10 WHAT A LAY DOWN!!! ;woohoo; I may be alone, but there's no way I'm folding here and, unless you have a method of working out that he has J-T to A-T rather than T-2 to T-9 (which are far greater in number), then I don't think you should have folded either. Good escape though if you did have some sort of read. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Smart Money on February 01, 2007, 06:36:36 AM i passed the hand and he showed j,10 WHAT A LAY DOWN!!! ;woohoo; I think it's a marginal call/fold decision even if you know he has JT: Any 4 or Ace ties the pot --> 6/44 x +$36 = $4.91 equity The $36 is the profit you would make from making the call: (($92 current pot + $20 your turn call)/2 split pot) less $20 your turn call Any 9 wins you the pot --> 3/44 x (say) +$180 = $12.27 equity The $180 is the profit you would make from making the call: $92 current pot + $88** your river bet into the $112 pot So that's less than a $3 (-EV) call ($20 - $4.91 - $12.27) if you know you're up against JT. The fact that there are several other hands that you are favourite over has to make the $20 turn call a +EV move I would have thought. **This amount is speculative, and if the 9c fell (giving you the winning hand Vs his JT) then this amount may be lower. However if he was drawing to the flush, then he would most likely call a larger bet than this. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Royal Flush on February 01, 2007, 06:37:57 AM What about reverse implied odds, if you call the turn u are probably going to lose some on the river.
Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Smart Money on February 01, 2007, 07:54:05 AM It wouldn't be hard- although it would be time consuming- to extend our model to include results based on the [mainly subjective] probabilities of his likely holdings/river card/river action etc. After all, it's what all experienced poker players do sub-consciously to some degree.
Feel free to do so if you want an answer to your question. Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Royal Flush on February 01, 2007, 06:23:09 PM It's ok i will just call him down, its what i am known for!
Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Jonboy on February 02, 2007, 12:55:13 AM i passed the hand and he showed j,10 WHAT A LAY DOWN!!! ;woohoo; I think it's a marginal call/fold decision even if you know he has JT: Any 4 or Ace ties the pot --> 6/44 x +$36 = $4.91 equity The $36 is the profit you would make from making the call: (($92 current pot + $20 your turn call)/2 split pot) less $20 your turn call Any 9 wins you the pot --> 3/44 x (say) +$180 = $12.27 equity The $180 is the profit you would make from making the call: $92 current pot + $88** your river bet into the $112 pot So that's less than a $3 (-EV) call ($20 - $4.91 - $12.27) if you know you're up against JT. The fact that there are several other hands that you are favourite over has to make the $20 turn call a +EV move I would have thought. **This amount is speculative, and if the 9c fell (giving you the winning hand Vs his JT) then this amount may be lower. However if he was drawing to the flush, then he would most likely call a larger bet than this. Add the fact that any K or Q splits the pot aswell, and if you know he has J10 it becomes a +EV play to call. However, you did't know, and given his rock style stats, and possible range you put him on it is a marginal call either way and I see nothing wrong with the laydown (against this particular player). Title: Re: Cash Game Hand Post by: Smart Money on February 02, 2007, 03:09:08 AM Ah, yes of course- Any K or Q splits the pot too.
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