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I just played a new site and have to say i have never seen anything as blatant in my life. i was just in a comp with 400+ players 10 players per table. and 8 of the players on my table were poker bot's teaming, myself and the other guy talked about it for awhile before they busted him then me, now i can lose and have no problem. but if you play at this site they will end up with your money.

If tikay say's it's ok to name the site i will..what a joke they don't even try to hide the fact, all the bot's have the same avatar.
 


 

bundle, if it's true, you can name & shame. Better be true, though........

And if 8 of the players on the same table had the same avatar, someone oughta take a screen shot of them. (As in the "Kudos" thread).

tikay i will run back and take a screen shot. they are playing bots no one is talking and everyone is folding to the other i's unreal, i wrote support and told them i won't be back because they are using bot's............... they said "OH WELL"

instead of saying what site it is, tell us which it isn't..............if you say it isn't a certain 2 i'll know which it is, if that makes sense ???

quick how do you take a screen shot, and view it?

Are you using a Laptop or Desktop bundle?

desktop

press, printscreen

Goto the screen you want to copy

Click on the top bar at the top of your screen

Hold down the ALT+PRTSC  buttons together

Then goto start/programs/accesories/paint

Click on edit and then click on paste on the drop down menu.

Cheers nem got it. now how do i post it, sorry

Have always had my suspicions on a number of sites but never anything quite so blatent.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=1990.msg49609#msg49609

7 bot's at this table and 3 other players

good job you never named the site LOL!
you can't see anything on the pic, how can you tell if they're bots?
i've got a pacific poker bot and it's worse than Ironside at walsall

The reason i know they are bot's is because 1 not one person in red responded to any comments i made also everyone of them was folding to a 4 times BB raise, I was stealing all the blinds without one person saying a word.. and im talking about 15 hands in a row. not 1 comment. so how did i lose... get KK bot raises me 5-6 times BB i reraise and two bots call on my left back to first raiser he goes allin and all the bot's do the same after i go allin. this was the only hand played with more than 3 players in the hand pre flop, lose to 67 hearts.

I really don't mind the beat, it was as if they said, lets all go allin on him and one of us might hit

The Noble poker network is just a joke.


Have you seen their new promotion? LOL

Here is what i posted on THM forum.

It is possible and you're most probably not the first person thinking along the same lines.

7 $10sng wins in a row = $1,000,000
6 $10sng wins in a row = $75,000
5 $10sng wins in a row = $25,000

"Finish in one of the top 2 positions of this tournament 5 consecutive times and you’ll take an easy $250." -Noble Poker..... LOL

Amagine winning 4 in a row, you are now hu and you hold KK, the other player has K2o and all the money is in the middle.

Guess which hand wins?*



*I guess the setup wouldn't be that obvious!

--Previous Message--

: Apparently on Betfred,noble poker if you play 6 stt,s consisting of 6 player
: table and win 6 in a row you win a jackpot of $25,000.
:
: Is this realistically possible and what would would happen if you got 5
: friends to join your table and dump all thier chips to you and split the
: winnings?
:
: Easy done i guess but what that be classed as cheating?
:
: you have all paid your money and no complaining so it is possible right?

Post Edited (24/9/2005, 12:17 pm)

ok don't know a lot about bots but surley they cannot be effective in a tournament. As the strategy can be very different from cash limit where they could probably grind out long term results by following a programmed set of starting hands ect... Is it even possible for bots to colude? Can someone do me a favour and fill me in on the whole Bot thing? cheers

hills are doing a similar thing - back to back 6 pak mtt's if u win 2 they double three they tripple ect.. 500 player mtt's tho so no point in fixing the odds are too long to bother

I have seen this, and i think if you read the small print you will see they can withhold the prize money until they have gone over all the play logs, if it looks like collusion, chip dumping or the same players all the way through the 5-6 games your not paid out. They will go over every game and most hands to see if players are working together. Think about it. 6 players from here all play on same table, 1500 in chips eveyone bets 1499 1 player allin and all the guys fold. wont take 6 people long to play 6 sit and goes, and win them all

you can have bots linked together, where they know the others starting hands, a bit like several friends on the same table using msn to collude.
it's an interesting bit of kit actually, you can configure a bot in a few ways, making it play only premium hands or any old rubbish, you can also control them yourself

back to bot for 1 sec yes you can have bot teams, there is a web site that lets you join a team and work together, and as for them in no limit its just a few changes to the code pocket pair higher than 99 allin, and they have different code 1 very passive next one not so passive. 1 very agressive, you can write the code to play any way you like, then you seat them all on a table with 2 humans and watch the passive tight bots grind and the agressive ones push

ok , but collusion aside all they can do is what they are programmed to, which in limit poker would be making the correct mathmatical play everytime so they win- fair enough . they can't be programmed to win in tournaments and no limit cash tho surley? too many variations. Saying that I read a book by Sklansky where he gave a set of instructions to a begginer to play in a hlh tournament and they went to the final table and then dropped the system and busted out, so maybe it is possible.  

its not hills, its betfair too, ie its crypto.

I quite fancied trying out, btu sadly was out, anyone try this?

yes but if you have two bots making the correct mathmatical plays and then the rest playing different IE 1 pushing everytime he gets any of it, another playing maniac they will grind you down, i busted 3 of them really fast but then had another sit in his seat. Im not saying they will beat you, if you get to play 1 of them at a time you can figure their settings for play, but when they are teaming your being pushed with every bet you put out . I started with 1500 in chips and in under 5 min i was over 8k but the bot to my left was also up there with me. and so was another to my right, there was alot of chip dumping going on and as these bots knocked out other bots, more came to the table.. It was hard work. anyway i went to see the last table and guess what a bot got first the bot who played to my left got second and whooo hooo a human got 3rd

I agree totally that you can't beat bots working as teams - I didn't know this was even possible until tonight. Are bots illegal?  I take it you will be looking for another site , you should get on Will Hill its a good site

OK to be fair i think it only right to show you their responce and let them have their say... Take it as you will, I still think i'm right. But that is just the opinion of 1 person.. I will leave this thread alone now. Ive ranted enough about it..

Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting (Removed by myself)  Poker.

Good day!

We acknowledge receipt of your email.
 
We have to confirm that we don’t use poker bots to fill in any tables especially during tournaments. We never had and never will have any poker bots in our system. Rest assured, that our poker site is secured to avoid collusion and fraudulent activities.
 
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused. We would like to thank you for your kind cooperation, and understanding in handling this matter.  We look forward to seeing you around the tables again soon.  Have a pleasant day.
 
Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact the (Remover by myself) Poker Support Team. We are available 24 Hours a day, 7 days a week.

Unreal , no site can say they have never had or will have Bots . The reply is frighteningly naive. Oh yeah and utter bollox

Does any1 else think this response sounds kinda odd when you read it?

I'm not taking the pi** but it reads like it was written by a Bot. Deliberate?

ok well my last say on the matter, but if they are telling the truth why would they say this...

"We have to confirm that we don’t use poker bots to fill in any tables especially during tournaments"

"especially during tournaments"

What does that mean?

Sounds like a Micky Mouse site to me.

barge touch a wouldn't with pole.

Absolutely - how can you say - "we dont use any bots - especially during tournaments"  You either do use them or you don't!

I hope that by using larger more established sites there will be more players so the need to use bots is less.

I play a lot of heads up and do well - if they're bots I'm fooling them by playing so badly they can't predict it!!  ;D

Tracey

This thread is quite devastating news guys, especially as we are promoting this site on blonde at the moment. We will investigate & remove.

I have been listening to 'bot' theories for an awful long time but nobody ever comes up with any proof (this is the best I have seen). If a site exists where you can buy teams of bots, what is the name of it ? Are there any sites documenting that 'bots' def exits?

Funily I have been trying to get onto Titan for a week now, but they won't let me create an account, because they keep saying I am creating a duplicate account from the same household !

Ok before this gets out of hand guys.

How big was the buy inn to this tournament?  
I know the people really well at Tiatn poker they are a skin of ipoker, if bots are used in this network it may not be Titan Poker that is using them but another skin.

They are doing blondepoker a good deal, on the 14th of October they are adding $5000 to our tournament plus $500 bounties on me and El Blondie. So I suggest play this event and take your money out after you win, no body will be exposed to bots since you will play only blondites.

Anyhow I hear so many things like partypoker is rigged, pokerstars is adjusted for bad players and most of all pacifcpoker has 50% bots playing, one thing about bots is that I can beat 99% of them right now. In tournament play they are especially bad since it is so difficult to write a strategy for a bot to play in a tournamnet, heads up limit there are real good programs. Anyhow I have a very good Australian friend that plays on Nolbe Poker every day (same skin as Titan Poker) and he thinks it is the easiest games on there online.

It may be unfortuante but bots are the future in online poker there will be more and more of them, I dont think that a bot can ever have a very big advantage in tournament play, but heads limit at 300-600 they are a problem.

Tony I'm Just telling you how i saw it, like i said it is just 1 person's view.. since you know these guy's well, do you know how many new members they are getting each month ?

It was a 1000 new depositors freeroll? It makes no difference that it was a freeroll. there was still 1k up for grab's. and as you know you get jumped by a live chat client  as soon as you first log on to put money in your account. And now it seems they even keep the freeroll money by winning it themselves. I don't mind dropping the whole thing. you live and learn.

PEACE

PS I didn't know they were affiliated with this site, for that reason i have edited my post's (not naming the site)

you can team up with your friends at winholdem apparently. i hate morons who develop bots but isn't it possible in this case that in a new player freeroll you're just up against really crap players? pretty sure that tony g wouldn't be involved in a site that uses bots. it must make it hard for new sites to get customers when these rumors start. just sticking to the big sites seems safest imo.

It is really not possible to have bots playing well in tournaments, in a free roll it just does not make sense to me. Even in heads up play me and erik123  have played bots for high stakes very recently, believe me they do not have an edge yet and it is very unlikely they will, I know how the  basis of a program works and it needs data to make adjustments, so the more you play one bot the better it should play. This is pending that the bot is run by IA (Artificial Intelligence)  software and is very advanced. Now in tournamnet play even heads up a bot has a huge disadvantage. Look at chess bots still can not beat humans all the time and that is a game where everything can be mathematically collculated.


Bundle I suggest that you play the big free roll for blondepoker on the 14th of October and take your money out no bots will be present for that event. So this givems me the pleasure to announce the great news to everyone that all blondite events will be bot free.

tony i think you need to expand on this a bit. were you playing that bot that is being developed by some university i think? i forget what it's called. if so who is putting up the high stakes? if not, ie you were playing at a site and suspect you were playing a bot shouldn't you name the site to protect others?

I agree with you it make's no sense.

 They were not crap players, most were very calculated.
 The only reason i can think of is because they are a struggling site and need to have players there to attract more players. I mean who's gonna play on a site with 20 players total. Now i'm not saying they only have 20 players but all sites have to start somewhere.. there was over 400 players in this, and i was told they had about the same last week. That's 800 new players in 2 week 80,000 in 6 months. is the site really doing that well. If so whats with the chat client bugging you when you log on for the first time. Thanks for the offer on the freeroll, but i have deleated the site and don't intend on playing there again..

For those who doubt bots, there was a bot tournament in Vegas a few weeks ago sponsored by that crazy site where they had some woman tatoo there name on her forehead, I forget the sites name.
but they are out there

Titan Poker get a lot of customers they are very fast growing site, I would say they get 500 new real money sign ups a day.

I just does not seem possible that they would give you a surprise free roll and then use bots against you, after all you did not come to this site to play this $1000 free roll. What you should do is analize every final table at Titan Poker that is payed and see if there is chat etc. take screen shots for us all as well. The support response was real funny, what  it tell me is that the support system is not automated, usually support would choose from 100 or so options how to reply to every complaint. This reply was typed, I need to tell them to automate there support. But I dont know them that well not any better then I know other sites and I am not sure what they are doing. All I know is that the allegations do not make sense to me in this case.

OK well like i said, i have removed the site's name from the thread, so it's all done and dusted now. no prob's

Pacific poker DOES have a lot of bots, i actually have one myself programmed specifically for pacific, though i did try it for a few minutes it was useless.
As Tony says this is gonna be a bigger and bigger problem and is gonna be impossible to police.
Just to correct something Tony said about chess, the top players in the world have all been beaten by computer programs over recent years, i remember Kasparov being beaten twice bt i believe Big Blue, if someone will google it you will see.
Ian

This is scarey. i registered with that "unmentionable" site today. I hate the ideas of bots, either operated by sites or players, sorry ifm.

Ok I understand that some have a financial interest in the site but also believe that they knew nothing of the bots.

After the blonde Comp I think I will probably cash out.

Who is in the freeroll for new depositors on the 1st October?

i will be in the freeroll for new depositors robert , as soon as they send me a password.

The trouble IMO is that if it's proved or becomes commen knowledge that bots are winning money then it could dry up the supply of fish that I'm sure most people on here feed on. I think if you play against what you think may be a bot or know people who run or sell bots then you should email the sites and let them know.

boodereham

I was told to ask for it in the online help facility after I had deposited. I told them I had deposited and they bunged in the $10 and gave me the password.

Did you deposit?

yep i deposited and have sent them an email requesting it

You may want to try the on line thing.

Failing that I might let the pw slip in a PM

Copy of E Mail from titan

Dear Dewi,

Titan Poker is proud to announce a $5,000 Blonde Poker freeroll, which will take place on Friday, October 14, 2005, at 9pm GMT / 5pm EST. This special freeroll is open exclusively to depositing players from Blonde Poker, and you can participate!

All you have to do is register for this tournament, which is already listed in the Titan Poker software as BlondePoker $5000 FR. No password is necessary ? your name has been added to the exclusive list of eligible players.

Hurry up and register today to ensure your place.

See you at the tables and good luck!

Robin Steele
Manager
Titan Poker
"Become a Legend at Titan Poker"
http://www.titanpoker.com

It won't let me reg as it is restricted, I used the affiliate link in blonde.

I note it is offering rebuys in this comp at $25 a shot.

So if 20 people sign up from blonde, there is 5k up for grab's ? do they not have a min number of players required ? This is interesting

oh ok theres the answer $25 rebuy's. lol gonna see some bad beats here

I tried to speak to online help, they told me to go to blonde for the password. Frustrating or what!!

I am 90% certain - but will check - that the $25 rebuys are ADDED to the Prize pool, they are NOT in the $5k.

And if 100 runners register, the $5k increases to $10k I believe, but you will all be informed about the EXACT details shortly.

Therer is NOT a Passwiord. Anyone who joins Titan via the blondepoker link (see the Home Page) is automatically in.

I did, but I'm not  :(

You are, but you aint.

I'm off to Notts!

Enjoy and good luck.

e mail them robert and they will confirm that you are eligible

I had another frank discussion in the chat box and they say they will drop me a line within 24 hours but think it's ok.  ::)

personally I'll be playing it as a free roll freezeout.
I registered for the site ONLY because there was a free roll. I did deposit some money and played the site for a while but didn't like it, so withdrew my small profit and I'm not depositing any more.

Can these bots play STT's?  I only ask because today I played a very strange 5 seater.  I have been playing these almost exclusively lately and they usually follow a similar pattern. This one played very differently.  There was also no chat/response no matter what I said.  I busted out 3rd (money back minus reg fee).  The remaining two players had swapped chips for the whole game and continued to do so for nearly another hour!  There was no aggression on either part and things just didn't seem natural.  First I thought collusion but why not get the game over with once down to two?  That's what made me suspect 'bots.

I've played 14 of these in two days and I'm ITM 85.7% over this small sample.  This is the only one I finished 3rd and the only one that stood out as unusual.

Based on these figures it wouldn't stop me playing if the trend continued (13-1) but if it was more prevalent I'd be looking for another site.

Yes that is the most popular place for the bots. $50 sit and goes with 3 bots running on the table.

Any views on whether these are ppls or casino's bots?

people's for these stt

Hey large island off coast of Spain,

Care to lower your caps and your temper?

I wonder if you care to comment using full sentences? I'd be interested in your reasoning :)

Thanks :)

Heid
xx

welcome to blonde, you might want to go to google and type in poker bot..

Not worth the hassle folks

I saw a complete set of encyclopedia for sale on ebay earlier.  i wondered who'd sell such a large collection of worldly information.  Now I know.

Tenerife clearly has no further use for them as he now knows everything.  ;)

take it I missed an abusive poster thats been removed

Looks like it.

Just to put you in the picture, a new member, one and only post, suggested, in errr forthright terms that online poker is as clean as the driven snow and any body who thought otherwise was somewhat mistaken.

AND HE SHOUTED, TOO

that drives me mad, people who, even when it's pointed out don't get that typing in caps is RUDE >:(