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Title: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2007, 10:23:19 AM
Hi all,

I need to identify the type of uniform in this photograph, taken in Aldershot in the 1880s.

Any ideas or info?

Many Thanks.

Tonji.


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: 4KingNutz on February 15, 2007, 10:31:50 AM
Im at work and really bored im on the case :)


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: KingPoker on February 15, 2007, 10:42:46 AM
Im bored aswell but struggling. Seems aldershot was home to a lot of different regiments and batallions!


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Rod Paradise on February 15, 2007, 11:04:16 AM
Ex-army guy I work with says it's an officer in a Scots regiment (going by the Glengarry he's wearing).

Can't tell on here, but is he wearing dark tartan trews?



Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: KingPoker on February 15, 2007, 11:06:51 AM
i managed to deduce the head thing as scottish as well


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: KingPoker on February 15, 2007, 11:08:53 AM
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (Princess Louise's) were based in aldershot in 1800


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: KingPoker on February 15, 2007, 11:13:20 AM
Only problem is he should be wearing a kilt if it's a scottish regiment



Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Rod Paradise on February 15, 2007, 11:24:04 AM
Only problem is he should be wearing a kilt if it's a scottish regiment



Officers in some regiments wore trews (tartan trousers).


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: thetank on February 15, 2007, 11:25:23 AM
The regiments who had to walk through nettles presumably.


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2007, 11:25:46 AM
thanks all, I've also reached the conclusion it must be a Scottish Regiment, but also maybe an Irish one?


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: The_nun on February 15, 2007, 11:27:06 AM
Why not just ask Tikay, he may remember.


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 2nd Battalion were at Aldershot in 1881/82, so a strong possibility


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Royal Flush on February 15, 2007, 11:30:47 AM
Why not just ask Tikay, he may remember.

His memory had starting fading by 1850....


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Rod Paradise on February 15, 2007, 11:32:12 AM
Only problem is he should be wearing a kilt if it's a scottish regiment



Officers in some regiments wore trews (tartan trousers).

http://houseoflabhran.net/argyll.and.sutherland.highlanders.photograph.images.html (http://houseoflabhran.net/argyll.and.sutherland.highlanders.photograph.images.html) In a couple of these you see officers in trews. The only thing is there is a red & white dicing on the glengarry of the Argylls.

BUT Wikipedia say the pipers wore a plain black glengarry wthout dicing... so it could be a subaltern of the Argyll & Sutherland pipers.


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Rod Paradise on February 15, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
Might be worth asking these guys : http://www.aboutscotland.co.uk/argylls/ash81to18.html (http://www.aboutscotland.co.uk/argylls/ash81to18.html)


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: dik9 on February 15, 2007, 11:41:24 AM
There was 3 regiments that wore "trews" these are  the Royal Scots, the King's Own Scottish Borderers and the Royal Highland Fusiliers


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Rod Paradise on February 15, 2007, 11:49:04 AM
There was 3 regiments that wore "trews" these areĀ  the Royal Scots, the King's Own Scottish Borderers and the Royal Highland Fusiliers

The Argylls wore them at times as well (see below)

Princess Louise's Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
1881
 
As a result of the wide-ranging Cardwell reforms of the British Army the 91st and 93rd were merged in 1881.

The 91st became the 1st Battalion and the 93rd the 2nd Battalion.

Territorial regrouping gave Sutherland to the Seaforths as their recruiting area. The counties allotted to The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders were Argyllshire, Stirling, Clackmannan, Dumbarton, Renfrew and Kinross. Significantly, the recruiting area remains the same today. Stirling Castle became the Depot and the home of the Regiment.

They became Princess Louise's Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. The Princess took a close interest in Her Regiment which they repaid with respect and very real affection. She designed the new regimental badge herself, elegantly combining the Argyll Boar's Head and the Sutherland Wild Cat, surmounted where suitable by her own cipher and coronet. The motto of the new Regiment was the old 91st "Ne Obliviscaris" and 93rd "Sans Peur". In the matter of uniform the 93rd prevailed: The Sutherland tartan was very similar to the original 'dark green Campbell tartan with the black line' in which Lochnell had first raised the 91st. The Swinging Six sporran with its six white tassels and the feathered bonnet both derived essentially from the 93rd as was the badgerhead sporran worn by the officers and senior NCOs. The Kilmarnock bonnet disappeared and all ranks wore the glengarry whenever they were in trews and for less formal parades.


Title: Re: Photo Research Help Needed
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2007, 12:02:35 PM
Thanks Rod & everyone,  ;hattip;

So it seems to fit that this photograph was probably of a young officer in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, circa 1881/82.

BTW a long shot, but if anyone has any pre 1900 photographs of Hussars I'll be interested in purchasing them.