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Title: How would you play this river? Post by: stephanadam on February 16, 2007, 12:15:10 AM The villain in question is very very loose but also extremely passive, he is playing 75% of his hands but only raising around 3%. When he re-raised the flop I thought he was very strong either 2pair a set, possibly 10s or a flopped straight. Had to call the min re-raise tho! After his flat call on the turn i was pretty sure he didn't have the straight so wasn't very pleased to see board pair on the river.
Was going to check call but didn't fancy having to call a large over bet, so I went for the a blocking bet when he shoved was a pretty easy lay down he was far to passive to shove anything but a FH there. Was just wondering what other people would have done on the river and why? Do you think there was a better way of playing this hand? Lassie 10474687-306136 Holdem No Limit $1/$2 [Feb 14 16:46:10] : Hand Start. [Feb 14 16:46:10] : Seat 1 : sparred has $207 [Feb 14 16:46:10] : Seat 2 : Life890 has $358.25 [Feb 14 16:46:10] : Seat 4 : ImJustAFish has $200 [Feb 14 16:46:10] : Seat 5 : cedarred has $211.18 [Feb 14 16:46:10] : Seat 6 : slayman has $198 [Feb 14 16:46:10] : cedarred is the dealer. [Feb 14 16:46:11] : slayman posted small blind. [Feb 14 16:46:11] : sparred posted big blind. [Feb 14 16:46:20] : Game [306136] started with 4 players. [Feb 14 16:46:20] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Feb 14 16:46:20] : Seat 1 : sparred has Qd Jh [Feb 14 16:46:23] : Life890 called $2 [Feb 14 16:46:27] : cedarred called $2 [Feb 14 16:46:31] : slayman folded. [Feb 14 16:46:32] : sparred checked. [Feb 14 16:46:33] : Dealing flop. [Feb 14 16:46:33] : Board cards Td Kh Jc [Feb 14 16:46:36] : sparred bet $5 [Feb 14 16:46:45] : Life890 called $5 [Feb 14 16:46:57] : cedarred called $5 and raised $5 [Feb 14 16:46:59] : sparred called $5 [Feb 14 16:47:01] : Life890 folded. [Feb 14 16:47:02] : Dealing turn. [Feb 14 16:47:02] : Board cards Td Kh Jc Ad [Feb 14 16:47:07] : sparred bet $15 [Feb 14 16:47:21] : cedarred called $15 [Feb 14 16:47:21] : Dealing river. [Feb 14 16:47:21] : Board cards Td Kh Jc Ad Ks [Feb 14 16:47:30] : sparred bet $20 [Feb 14 16:47:45] : cedarred has 10 seconds to respond. [Feb 14 16:47:46] : cedarred called $20 and raised $164.18 and is All-in [Feb 14 16:48:01] : It's your turn. [Feb 14 16:48:09] : sparred folded. [Feb 14 16:48:11] : cedarred wins $100 as the last player standing [Feb 14 16:48:13] : Hand is over. Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: Longy on February 16, 2007, 01:42:58 PM Looks good to me.
Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: Smart Money on February 16, 2007, 03:20:45 PM Your river play is probably exactly how I'd have played it.
Your 1/2 pot turn bet was a little too small though- you're basically charging him $15 to win $67 ($32 in pot + your $15 turn bet + your $20 river blocker/value bet) to hit one of 9 outs (you have one jack.) (If he'd have played the river better- perhaps a min raise- which may be hard to fold to, then his odds improve still further.) Howver, if you bet the pot on the turn then he'd be paying over the odds to make the call. Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: SupaMonkey on February 16, 2007, 03:39:46 PM Does anyone check raise the turn there?
Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: stephanadam on February 16, 2007, 04:12:34 PM Your river play is probably exactly how I'd have played it. Your 1/2 pot turn bet was a little too small though- you're basically charging him $15 to win $67 ($32 in pot + your $15 turn bet + your $20 river blocker/value bet) to hit one of 9 outs (you have one jack.) (If he'd have played the river better- perhaps a min raise- which may be hard to fold to, then his odds improve still further.) Howver, if you bet the pot on the turn then he'd be paying over the odds to make the call. As soon as made the bet I knew it was too small, guess I was just trying to keep hold of my customer! Does anyone check raise the turn there? I dint think a check raise would have worked in this case the guy was to passive and Ad would have scared him to death. Plus cant see many people betting this turn without a straight. Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: SupaMonkey on February 16, 2007, 05:02:56 PM As soon as you bet the turn you are teling him you have the Q so you have to pot it to kill his implied odds. This basically loses you your customer, i would check to him because he raised you on the flop and may think he can get you to fold with a turn bet. If he doesn't bet the turn you are mor likely to get a value bet paid off on the end because he won't know if you're bluffing (due to his show of weakness) or value betting, so he will always lose money in that situation.
Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: AlexMartin on February 17, 2007, 05:05:19 AM Your river play is probably exactly how I'd have played it. Your 1/2 pot turn bet was a little too small though- you're basically charging him $15 to win $67 ($32 in pot + your $15 turn bet + your $20 river blocker/value bet) to hit one of 9 outs (you have one jack.) (If he'd have played the river better- perhaps a min raise- which may be hard to fold to, then his odds improve still further.) Howver, if you bet the pot on the turn then he'd be paying over the odds to make the call. :goodpost: ;iagree; this boy knows his shit. You play it fine but make a bigger bet on the turn. Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: stephanadam on February 17, 2007, 05:42:50 AM As soon as you bet the turn you are teling him you have the Q so you have to pot it to kill his implied odds. This basically loses you your customer, i would check to him because he raised you on the flop and may think he can get you to fold with a turn bet. If he doesn't bet the turn you are mor likely to get a value bet paid off on the end because he won't know if you're bluffing (due to his show of weakness) or value betting, so he will always lose money in that situation. Never really thought about it like this thanks for the advice. Say he checks behind on the turn tho what would you do when the board pairs? If you go for a value/blocking bet and he re raises how much are you willing to call as he might have just seen your check on the turn as weakness. Or do you just go for a check call on river if so how much would you call? Title: Re: How would you play this river? Post by: SupaMonkey on February 17, 2007, 10:07:46 PM I would bet just over half the pot. I don't like blocker bets because some people auto raise them. If i bet that much and he raises he almost definitely has a boat however i think trips and 2 pr may call a bet here.
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