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Title: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: LeKnave on February 17, 2007, 12:21:54 PM Just read this on another forum, dont think any1's posted it here:
Quote I have no idea if any of this is true or not or if it's only partly accurate. Found it to be an interesting story. It was told to me by some guy at the table at 2/5 NL in Tunica. He had supposedly just come back from a trip to LA/LV. Seemed a decent player as best I could tell. Might be a 2+2'er for all I know. Perhaps somebody can verify the story, clarify some of the stuff I might have gotten wrong, or tell me that this story is total B.S. for whatever reason. Here's his story he was telling the table: He's rail-birding 100/200 NL at the Commerce (didn't know they spread THAT high. He said it was because of the tourneys they were running). Some guy bets $2k on the river. 20 chips of $100. Phil Laak reaches to a stack at the back of his chips and grabs 20 chips of $5k each. After pretending like he was 'calling' the 20 chips bet the dealer tells him that Laak just bet $100k. Laak says that he only meant to call $2k and that it was an accident. Dealer won't let him take his bet back because his chips were already out there and he never said "call." The other guy thinks it over and calls with a fairly inferior hand and is all-in for his remaining $70k. Phil Laak turns over the nuts (had AJ for broadway or something). I've never played in Calif. Evidently, the $100 chips look nothing like the $5k chips. The $5k chips are also supposed to be a little bit larger. And, since he had the nuts, there was pretty much no chance that Laak would only call in that spot anyway so there is pretty much a 0% chance that Laak didn't know that he was really betting $100k. Any thoughts ? Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: Canuck on February 17, 2007, 02:39:32 PM Johnny Chan did something similar to Johnny Bax a few years back.
Bax had KK and led out preflop Chan called. The flop came out rags. Bax led out, Chan called. The turn was another rag and Bax again led out with a bet. Chan thought and though and put in a 25K chip. Immediately he said 'I didnt mean that, I meant to call' The dealer said it stood, and Bax immediately called putting himself all in. Bax flipped Kings, Chan flipped AA and np help for Bax. (I read this story awhile ago and it may have a few details wrong, but the just of the story is accurate) Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: RichEO on February 17, 2007, 11:56:26 PM If you throw in a single chip isn't it counted as a call and you get change? So just tossing in a single chip like Chan did would be a call. I suppose there will be different rules in diff places but most do this.
Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: tikay on February 18, 2007, 12:03:41 AM If you throw in a single chip isn't it counted as a call and you get change? So just tossing in a single chip like Chan did would be a call. I suppose there will be different rules in diff places but most do this. No, because, sadly, we don't have universal Rules in Poker. Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: bolt pp on February 18, 2007, 12:26:46 AM If you throw in a single chip isn't it counted as a call and you get change? So just tossing in a single chip like Chan did would be a call. I suppose there will be different rules in diff places but most do this. No, because, sadly, we don't have universal Rules in Poker. Dont get me started!! sad thing is we never will Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: LeKnave on February 18, 2007, 04:26:47 AM If you throw in a single chip isn't it counted as a call and you get change? So just tossing in a single chip like Chan did would be a call. I suppose there will be different rules in diff places but most do this. I read this one too, apparently Chan put in a stack and claimed he thought he had bet X amount not the large amount as he couldnt tell between the chip colours through his sunglasses. Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: I KNOW IT on February 18, 2007, 04:58:51 AM If you throw in a single chip isn't it counted as a call and you get change? So just tossing in a single chip like Chan did would be a call. I suppose there will be different rules in diff places but most do this. A big chip preflop is a call ,after the flop a single big chip goes as the bet. (usually)Title: Re: Bending the rules, Fairly or Unfairly? Post by: RichEO on February 18, 2007, 12:56:35 PM A big chip preflop is a call ,after the flop a single big chip goes as the bet. (usually) Well in the high class establishment that is the Luxor :-\ I threw in a chip that was just over double the size of the bet post flop and the dealer said it was just a call. I knew the rule about a big chip being a call if you don't say raise, but it had momentarily slipped my mind and I did actually want to raise. Tournament had a faster structure than sky poker. As far as Laak and Chan's actions. I don't have a problem with it, just like talking your opponent in to calling. Great for you, they are going to be pretty annoyed though. There are going to be a limited number of times they can actually pull it off, although now, if they make that move again there is a chance someone will have heard about the move or suspect that they are making a move and fold, so they could use it now as a bluffing tool instead! |