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The moderators have come together and decided to encourage the following guidelines for people posting on the PHA board.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=20524.0

"This board is intended as a learning resource for players of all different levels of experience and ability. To date, you guys have made it a fantastic place with some great civil debates, and patient explanations for beginners.

We want to keep it that way, so in the interests of all blonde members, users are strongly encouraged to refrain from elitist sarcasm and derogatory posting when using the Poker Hand Analysis board.

Any post that discourages others to use this tool is frowned upon, and offenders may be subject to moderation if we feel they have overstepped the line."


Any questions or issues regarding this, feel free to ask or raise them on this thread.

If you haven't seen the poker hand analysis board yet, please do check it out.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=24.0

Everyone is welcome there, please do not be afraid to post just because you happen to play low stakes, or you are worried you will be ridiculed.
This is not other poker forums, this is blonde. The underlying ethos is to preserve a nice and friendly, productive atmosphere.

i see you are making the most of the power stick they've let you wield ;)

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i wonder who it was that posted sarcastic comments?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That really is a mystery!

The desicion to do the guidelines, and their wording, was made after consultation between all the mods in our wee secret room.

I'm just the mug they got to post it.

That there, is a sarcastic comment in itself. So the answer to your question is you!

If you posted that on PHA, I would probably mod you ;)

lol you idiot!

Sounds furry muff to me.

I'm sure there are many others like myself who really appreciate the responses on the HA forum.  I've learnt a lot from people's thoughts and opinions.  Sometimes the best ones are when a number of very good players disagree about the correct course of action, which just shows there's more than one way to skin a pot.

 ::)

 ;popcorn; ;popcorn; ;popcorn;

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We can laugh & joke, but the fact remains, many Posters have stopped Posting on PHA, particularly the regular or smaller limit players, because they've been ridiculed. This has to stop, the blonde ethos treats all players, big & small, fairly, but we particularly want & need to help the smaller players get a "leg-up".

We think the PHA is an extemely important part of blonde, but it's what you guy make it, no more, no less.

hand analysis forums have always been funny creatures, especially when you have people like flushy that can charge $100++an hour to give lessons willingly giving advice for free... but what people seem to forget is that the quality of responses is almost always directly proportional to the quality of the origional post, and lately a lot of posts go up which go something like this:

"tourney, get JJ, i raise, someone goes allin, do you call and why"..

I am sure you can see why some people get fedup , because essentially someone that has put absolutely zero thought in making their post expects people to put more thought then them in the replies!


What I am tryin to say  is, its ok to complain about regulars getting sarcastic, and it does seem to have gotten out of hand, but it doesn't come out of nowhere, its a reactive process.. and maybe the thrust (at least in my opinion) should be educating people better on how to contribute more to the forum, and what to do to improve their own posting, rather then solely concentrating on a couple of sarcastic comments . There are a lot of good players who are willing to put time in to help players out, but not if the players aren't willing to put the time in to make the better players want to help.

Just my most humble of opinions.

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One way to deal with that, is to simply not reply to posts and questions there you feel have not been constructed with enough thought.

When the JJ example you gave gets 2 one word replies, and the poster who has gone to the length of describing a situation as far as they can gets 3 pages of constructive debate, it will only encourage people to put a bit a bit more in, if they want a bit more out.

So to an extent, the marketplace should take care of itself in that respect.

If we just leave the JJ alone, someone sitting on the sidelines, who might otherwise start the kind of thread you're looking for, is discouraged from doing so because from the general tone of the place, they think they'll be shot down. I can't see sarcastic interventions solving anything.

Good point Totalise - posts from people wanting to know if they could have avoided getting it all in with the nuts on the flop only to be outdrawn on the river don't really lend themselves to a salient dissection of the art of the game.

Lest we forget how it should be done.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3210.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3210.0)
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3228.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3228.0)
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3253.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3253.0)
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3272.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3272.0)
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3300.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3300.0)
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.0)

Totalise makes a good point, so could some of the more experienced players give a quick rundown of what should be included when posting a hand for analysis? This could be added to the Guidelines post and give new posters the encouragement to ask the right questions (and make them think about it themselves as they try to describe all the relevant information).

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This from someone else who could charge a hell of a lot for their advice, and often provides very in-depth analysis of hands.

I agree that people should make an effort to give as much information as possible, and they'll get back what they put in.  Like selling a car online - if you don't bother to provide photos and other details then is it a surprise if you don't get any decent repsonses?

Sometimes though someone will post up a hand for analysis where they've made a mistake, and they will be slaughtered for it.  This isn't fair really.  There are ways to criticise constructively.  If I post a hand up where I've played like a donk, fine, slate me - I can handle it.  Others are more sensitive, or are new to the game or the forum, etc.

All in all though, the hand analysis board is bloody brilliant.

maybe, but when the top 10 threads all have 1 or 2 replies, it can start to get overwhelming. It is one way, I personally dont feel like its the best way. Que sera


aye, or it will make posters think "ffs, make this post, and no-one has bothered to reply, what a load of piss this place is, I aint coming back" Suited_Jock gave a clinic on how to act when people dont voluntarily respond to a post. Essential reading!

Andrew,


this is true, but I dont even mind these threads that much, I mean, we do all have to start somewhere, and as long as the person posting is new either to the forum, or to poker, then a few words of advice can be instrumental in getting them on the path to salvation. If however the person posting is a long term blonde/been playing a while, its not so nice, and enters the realms of the dreading posting-because-its-a-bad-beat... which isn't so acceptable.

Why not create a 'template' that includes 10 or so questions that need to answered in turn?  I'm on some online marketing forums and if someone wants a site to be 'reviewed' they must fill in a questionnaire to ensure all the relevant information is provided.  That'd work well for hand analysis.  Just some thoughts.

give all the information you have at the time, and present it in a legible fashion. thats all we ask. If it takes you 5 min to type up the post, its almost certainly going to be time well spent!


I'm pretty sure this is the point of the entire thread, people ( myself included) are often too quick to tell people how bad a certain play is on a certain street, but not quick enough to say why. That definately needs to change.

Hmmmmmm, does this also go for "certain" mods???????

Pot Kettle Black springs to mind ;)

I think the PHA board works best when the original poster starts us down a journey of a hand. It is not yet clear to the reader where the final destination is - the purpose of the thread is to investigate all the roads leading off from it.

Which are cul-de-sacs and which are more promising avenues?

Eventually, the original course of action may be revealed, and compared with the views given. The point is that it is the journey which is important, not the destination.

Maybe all PHA threads should start with the question 'Which is the best way forward?' (nice and open) rather than 'Did I play this right?' (closed question - poor quality replies).

This is an obvious fabrication, in the first one Tightend tried to convince us he would put in a raise with 78 os 
 rotflmfao rotflmfao

Probably not

Remember this was from over a year ago, when Tightend was still a wild and reckless slip of a boy.

I read & post on other forums and see all manner of hand analysis questions.  The most common info that people need when analysing a hand are:

- Tournament Buyin / Cash game limit (e.g. $10+1 or $1/2)
- Type of tournament/game (e.g. 2 table SNG, MTT, HU, NL cash game, etc)
- Stack sizes
- No of players left.  How close to bubble?
- Level of blinds
- Any reads on players
- Any read you think they have on you.
- Reason for action you've taken.
- Don't post result.  A lot of times, people prefer you to stop the HH at a certain point (e.g. action on river) and to ask for advice from there.  It often throws people's answers once they know the outcome and opponent's hand.

I think I have everything here.  Maybe others can add things.  As has been mentioned, if a list like this can be put in the guidelines, this would help.

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Whenever i make a post in one of the thread i will always try and give my reasoning behind my answer. Sometimes you see threads where someone has posted a question and its followed by 6 responses which just say "call", "re-reaise all in", "insta fold", "call" etc etc and you sit there thinking "why would you reraise all in?" or "how can you fold there?"

I agree, i hate reponses like

'Your play on the flop is awful'

without saying why, i if knew it was bad i wouldn't be doing it would i.

oooh I might brave a post on there tonight - I've had one bugging me for a couple of days but I've been too scared to put it up :(

I've been the same Claw, thought it was pretty standard the way the hand played out, but just wanted to double check that I didn't do anything wrong. Sadly the way that certain posters look down their noses on other players put me off posting the hand.

I'm pleased to see that this problem (and it WAS a problem) has finally been addressed, the condescending and downright ignorant/arrogant attitude that can happen in there was bang out of order, and it wouldn't be put up with on any other part of the forum.

I have never even looked at the HA section. I think im being arrogant but in a different way. I analyse my own hand then think yes i should have done x or y instead but thats not the real way to learn. I need to open myself up to deeper analysis from the more experienced, and to be honest, successful players!! So im sure i will be frequenting it quite a lot in the very near future!

KP

I dont think for a second that the people who post regularly on the HA board do so with complete selflessness, I think they like being listend to, feeling important and talking about the game they love.

So what if someone hasn't put as much effort into a question as others??? they dont get your Divine wisdom?? what crap.

How can you assume that because a poster hasn't put much effort into a question its not important to them? Thus you decide to punish them by throwing your toys out of the pram having a little pop at them or not posting at all. pathetic!!!!

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Dont ask

ok, im going to give it a go, lets see how I do.

I have posted a hand on the board and awould appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks

Can i apologise for my earlier post, it seems a little harsh on reflection.

I know the mods have a hard enough time and I'm sorry to anyone i offended by it.
(can i add i havnt been warned).

I'm not going to remove it because Ive said it now and i still agree with its sentiment but it was probably unnecessary and Ive subsequently realised that it has no redeeming qualities as a productive post, i dont want to make the place crap for anyone.

I remember back on the old site (before the revamp) when El Blondie used to answer PHA type questions on the home page.

Often he was aksed stuff like "Do you always push with AA?" or "Do you always slow play big pairs?" with little or no information about a particular situation.

I dont ever remember him being sarcastic or talking down to anyone in his responses.

I dont see any reason why anyone else who chooses to post a constructive response to a thread cant try to make the same sort of effort.