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Title: Is this a common situation? Post by: sharpy on February 28, 2007, 05:46:52 PM Just spent the afternoon round at my brother in-laws (Dave is name is),chewing the fat as you do,when the conversation got round to the fact that our 16 year old boy as shown a keen interest in joining the fire brigade (or the fire and rescue service as it is now known).Anyway Dave is a fireman and has been for about 15 years,and was in his element telling us about how good a job it is. He eventually tells us that the service is currently recruiting but there was a few stipulations as to who could apply to join at the moment.Apparently (and Dave swears this is true) you have to be either;Female,An ethnic minority,Homosexual,Bi-sexual or disabled,to be able to apply.You cannot apply if you are a straight white male. Am I alone in thinking that in todays multi-cultural society this is wrong.That everybody should be given a chance to do the job/jobs on offer,or is this a common situation in todays society? Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: Wardonkey on February 28, 2007, 05:49:54 PM Dave is talking bollocks.
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: sharpy on February 28, 2007, 05:51:16 PM That is what i thought but he does have a way of convincing people Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: thetank on February 28, 2007, 05:52:30 PM Proponents of affirmative action generally advocate it either as a means to address past discrimination or to enhance racial, ethnic, gender, or other diversity. They may argue that the end result — a more diversified student body, police force or other group — justifies the means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action Opponents claim that it has undesirable side-effects and that it fails to achieve its goals. They argue that it is discrimination, perpetrates new wrongs to counter old ones, and instills a sense of victimhood in the majority. It may increase racial tension and benefit the more privileged people within minority groups (such as middle to upper-class blacks) at the expense of the disenfranchised within majority groups (such as lower-class whites). In the British 2001 Summer of Violence Riots in Oldham, Bradford, Leeds and Burnley, one of the major complaints voiced in poor white areas was alleged discrimination in council funding which favoured minority areas. It's an interesting one, happens all over the world. Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: KingPoker on February 28, 2007, 05:53:55 PM Not neessarily talking bollox if they have to get the minoritities numbers up before some review!!!!
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: AndrewT on February 28, 2007, 05:55:18 PM "I'd like to join the fire brigade please"
"Are you one of these minorities on this list?" "Yes, I'm gay" "Are you sure? You don't look gay" "I really am super gay." "OK then - you're in. The first task for all new recruits is to polish the fire chief's helmet and then make sure all our massive hoses are fully drained and cleaned." Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: Indestructable on February 28, 2007, 06:29:46 PM rotflmfao
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: sharpy on February 28, 2007, 06:41:00 PM Quote Posted on: Today at 05:55:18 pmPosted by: AndrewT Insert Quote "I'd like to join the fire brigade please" "Are you one of these minorities on this list?" "Yes, I'm gay" "Are you sure? You don't look gay" "I really am super gay." "OK then - you're in. The first task for all new recruits is to polish the fire chief's helmet and then make sure all our massive hoses are fully drained and cleaned." rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao Quality Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: kinboshi on February 28, 2007, 08:12:08 PM Proponents of affirmative action generally advocate it either as a means to address past discrimination or to enhance racial, ethnic, gender, or other diversity. They may argue that the end result — a more diversified student body, police force or other group — justifies the means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action Opponents claim that it has undesirable side-effects and that it fails to achieve its goals. They argue that it is discrimination, perpetrates new wrongs to counter old ones, and instills a sense of victimhood in the majority. It may increase racial tension and benefit the more privileged people within minority groups (such as middle to upper-class blacks) at the expense of the disenfranchised within majority groups (such as lower-class whites). In the British 2001 Summer of Violence Riots in Oldham, Bradford, Leeds and Burnley, one of the major complaints voiced in poor white areas was alleged discrimination in council funding which favoured minority areas. It's an interesting one, happens all over the world. Worked for Ginger...;whistle; Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: FlyingPig on February 28, 2007, 09:05:23 PM Where I work, we a have a very strict BME % (Black, Minority and Ethnic Groups), which means that in our community wehre we are, if we a have a genral BME in the community of 5%, we will use 'Positive Discrimation' to employ people from the BME. So our BME workforce is 5%. Currently it's at 2.8% BTW.
We make sure all the companies we use measure the % BME of employees for them. This is not something I agree with. Whoever is the best person for the job should get it, regardless of race, sex, disablity or sexual orientation. Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: byronkincaid on February 28, 2007, 09:12:04 PM i know someone who was turned down for the police cos of that.
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: thetank on February 28, 2007, 09:16:36 PM This is not something I agree with. Whoever is the best person for the job should get it, regardless of race, sex, disablity or sexual orientation. Supporters of such programs would agree with this sentiment. They don't see affirmative action as ideal, no person would, rather a means to an end. Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: BrumBilly on February 28, 2007, 09:37:37 PM Chris Rock has an amusing take on this. Sure, pick the best person for the job but in the event of a tie pick the black dude as 'you white folk have had a 400yr headstart' (or words to that effect).
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: Digger on February 28, 2007, 09:45:31 PM Nice one AndrewT ;yippee;...political correctness sucks!! ;grr;
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: AndrewT on February 28, 2007, 09:50:00 PM Chris Rock has an amusing take on this. Sure, pick the best person for the job but in the event of a tie pick the black dude as 'you white folk have had a 400yr headstart' (or words to that effect). Black people had a headstart of tens of thousands of years over us whiteys. Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: Wardonkey on February 28, 2007, 10:24:51 PM It is obvious that positive discrimination and affirmative action are ridiculous ideas.
These systems cause resentment and tension in workplaces and communities. They are counter productive and give bigots a soapbox to stand on. Anytime an employer uses any other factor than a persons ability to do a job then it damages itself. My initial 'bollocks' statement was off the cuff. Situations clearly do arise where people feel forced into trying to make up quotas, and will therefore not employ some people who they might normally take on. This situation is however quite rare. A much more common situation is for people to use excuses when they are rejected for jobs or when they are doing the rejecting. Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: tikay on March 01, 2007, 01:23:25 AM Just spent the afternoon round at my brother in-laws (Dave is name is),chewing the fat as you do,when the conversation got round to the fact that our 16 year old boy as shown a keen interest in joining the fire brigade (or the fire and rescue service as it is now known).Anyway Dave is a fireman and has been for about 15 years,and was in his element telling us about how good a job it is. He eventually tells us that the service is currently recruiting but there was a few stipulations as to who could apply to join at the moment.Apparently (and Dave swears this is true) you have to be either;Female,An ethnic minority,Homosexual,Bi-sexual or disabled,to be able to apply.You cannot apply if you are a straight white male. Am I alone in thinking that in todays multi-cultural society this is wrong.That everybody should be given a chance to do the job/jobs on offer,or is this a common situation in todays society? I simply don't believe this, I am sure there must be a misunderstanding or mis-communication here somewhere. It would be illegal, for starters. We can no more discriminate against ethnic minorities than we can against the indigenous population. But yes, "quotas" have to be met, & that's where the misundertandings arise. Quota or not, nobody, ethnic or indigenous, can legally be discriminated against. Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: byronkincaid on March 01, 2007, 01:26:31 AM http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=3370 (http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=3370)
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: byronkincaid on March 01, 2007, 01:28:35 AM http://www.personneltoday.com/Articles/2006/06/27/36035/cre-lets-police-off-hook-over-positive-discrimination.html (http://www.personneltoday.com/Articles/2006/06/27/36035/cre-lets-police-off-hook-over-positive-discrimination.html)
Title: Re: Is this a common situation? Post by: boldie on March 01, 2007, 01:21:43 PM Proponents of affirmative action generally advocate it either as a means to address past discrimination or to enhance racial, ethnic, gender, or other diversity. They may argue that the end result — a more diversified student body, police force or other group — justifies the means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action Opponents claim that it has undesirable side-effects and that it fails to achieve its goals. They argue that it is discrimination, perpetrates new wrongs to counter old ones, and instills a sense of victimhood in the majority. It may increase racial tension and benefit the more privileged people within minority groups (such as middle to upper-class blacks) at the expense of the disenfranchised within majority groups (such as lower-class whites). In the British 2001 Summer of Violence Riots in Oldham, Bradford, Leeds and Burnley, one of the major complaints voiced in poor white areas was alleged discrimination in council funding which favoured minority areas. It's an interesting one, happens all over the world. Worked for Ginger...;whistle; rotflmfao rotflmfao Man, you aren just begging for a ban. |