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I listened to a thing on the radio earlier about how our use of language is changing, for example our use of words such as innit , etc as part of daily communication .

Anyway, a guy mentioned the use of the words 'Order' and 'Pre-Order'.  Should we use 'Pre-Order' at all?.  After all, the very fact we are logging onto Amazon, Tesco, etc to acquire goods suggests we are going to 'Order' something.  Does it not make more sense to just use the single word 'Order' to describe our intended action.  Pre- Order and Order are the same thing?, aren't they?.

It makes more sense to say,  I am going to order the new Play Station 3 or Daniel Negreanu book rather than , I am going to Pre-Order these things

I have been thinking about this since hearing it on the radio   :D .  I am a sad dweeb, it is true

you're right..pre-order doesn't make any sense. This annoys me just as much as "new and improved" or "live recording"

Doesnt pre-order mean order something that isnt out yet.
eg. "I am pre-ordering the Playstation 3 that comes out in......"
&
"I have orgered the Playstation 3 that came out last week!"

What is the difference between "flammable" & "inflammable"?

My understanding was that you pre-ordered something that wasn't yet available for sale - sort of putting your name on the "i want it list". Then when the goods have been produced the store will contact you to ask you whether you still want it several months later.

If you do then your pre-order becomes an order, if you don't they ring the next person on the "reserved" list.

actually (nerdy talk here)

Pre-order means paying a deposit but not actually confirming the order yet. However years ago this was just "Paid a deposit towards"..now people call it pre-order and it's wrong.

flammable is something that is liable to catch fire.

inflammable is something that catches fire very easily.

here we go then, when i "pre-ordered" my slimline playstation 2 off ebay before it came out, i payed the full amount and when it came out i was sent the item. Didnt pay a deposit!

So what is "highly inflammable"?

I know you are putting your name to something before its released, however you get the same result by saying " I am going to go and order that new Playstation 3 now" . The 'Pre' bit is pointless.

something that doesnt actually catch fire. It would be a description used for a gas / liquid that needs to be kept frozen, that would explode at room temperature.

i dont think it is pointless. If somebody says they have preordered something i automatically assume its not out yet whereas if someone says they have ordered something i automatcally assume its already out.

true, I guess

Petrol is descibed as "Highly Inflammable"........

'Pre-Order' is simply used to signify that the item isn't out yet, so the customer shouldn't expect it for a while.

Without this, you can bet that Amazon would have people contacting them to complain as to why they hadn't received the next Harry Potter book that they 'ordered' last week.

Jesus, another Harry Potter isn't coming out it is  :D .  I hate Harry Potter, it is overrated big time.   Is 'Big Time' another use of a random word thrown into a sentence that doesn't make sense? 

Flammable is of relatively recent origin. However, it has in many contexts (especially safety) taken the place of the older Inflammable, which many people take to mean its exact opposite (assuming that the Latin prefix in- always means "not", when in this case it is an intensifer). [1]. Because of this confusion, the word "inflammable" (on its own) is avoided in technical usage (warning notices, etc). In, for example, the United States and the United Kingdom, trucks carrying gasoline and other (in)flammable substances are always marked "flammable". In other countries, such as India, the words "highly inflammable" are used.[2].

The Chicago Manual of Style suggests using "flammable" for clarity.[3].

In my day, we just said it was "reserved". Marketing speak, don't you just hate it?

Anything that can ignite without direct contact with a spark or flame and has a flash point at less than 100 degrees F can be described as "Highly Inflammable" so in the case of petrol technically just - it can explode without the need of a spark, provided the temperature of the environment is high enough.

Its used more to describe volatile substances which give off vapours that when mixed with air at room temperature can explode without flame or spark.

I love Harry Potter, i didnt watch them for years then my missus persuaded me to watch them and found them to nbe superb, and on the last one i managaed to get a midnight viewing in cardiff and it was great fun. Cant wait til July til the new one comes out!

Highly inflammable is an incorrect term and shouldnt be used to describe petrol!!!

Nice thread for the semantically minded.  Reminds me of Adrian Chile's witty response when collecting a plain English award....

"Thanks very much, cos I've never won nothin' before!"

Tikay, Matt, calm down.  That whole flammable/inflammable argument is becoming combustible.

The one that annoys me is  "The noise rising to a crescendo"

"Crescendo" is the sound rising, not the point to which it has risen.

Ordered goods have the status 'on-order' (when the order is received by the supplier) until delivered. Pre-ordered goods are 'on back-order' until the supplier receives them. Then they are 'on-order' until delivered.

Hope this helps.

lol  ,    thanks

Yes it helps!!!!! Wayhay i was right!!!!!!!!

Pre order and Order have two very different apllications legally in retail, preorder is not a contract where as order is, a preorder can be adjusted in price and lead time, as is happening with the PS3 orders taken last year at £289.00