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Title: AK Big Sick Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 07, 2007, 02:11:59 PM Live SnG.
7 players. Blinds 50-100. Starting stack 1000. You have 1300 chips, roughly the mode. You are on the big blind. Action folds round to the button. Medium loose aggressive chip leader on the button with 2000 chips raises to 300. LooserAggressive in small blind pushes all in for 1300. You look down at Ahrt Kh. What do you do? Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Bazzaboy on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM call
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: maxward on March 07, 2007, 03:26:14 PM I fold
At best your against AQ/AJ and thats unlikley to warrant a push, a middle pair has it a virtual coin toss and that negates the possibility of initial raiser calling or holding one or more of your cards. I dont see the point in risking all your stack at this point when you have no clear edge. Id be more than happy for chip leader to call and possibly eliminate one of the competition. AK is a hand to lead out with, not call, in my humble opinion. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Bazzaboy on March 07, 2007, 03:40:46 PM I fold At best your against AQ/AJ and thats unlikley to warrant a push, a middle pair has it a virtual coin toss and that negates the possibility of initial raiser calling or holding one or more of your cards. I dont see the point in risking all your stack at this point when you have no clear edge. Id be more than happy for chip leader to call and possibly eliminate one of the competition. AK is a hand to lead out with, not call, in my humble opinion. Are you serious? Buttons range is huge. SB's range isnt much narrower and includes a whole host of hands you crush. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: maxward on March 07, 2007, 03:47:43 PM I fold At best your against AQ/AJ and thats unlikley to warrant a push, a middle pair has it a virtual coin toss and that negates the possibility of initial raiser calling or holding one or more of your cards. I dont see the point in risking all your stack at this point when you have no clear edge. Id be more than happy for chip leader to call and possibly eliminate one of the competition. AK is a hand to lead out with, not call, in my humble opinion. Are you serious? Buttons range is huge. SB's range isnt much narrower and includes a whole host of hands you crush. Disagree. The blinds are not at a level that would induce a significant gear change from the button, although I accept maybe hes stealing (maybe im being too conservative). I still think that at this level the SB wouldnt push with much that would yield a significant edge, as previously stated. Thats the beauty of this forum I guess, we can agree to disagree. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: doubleup on March 07, 2007, 04:13:42 PM Folding this is evidence of certifiable insanity
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Dewi_cool on March 07, 2007, 04:21:32 PM ;all-in;
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Ironside on March 07, 2007, 04:23:06 PM all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: AgentChip109 on March 07, 2007, 04:28:35 PM yeah im pretty certain this is a call. with the structure that is mentioned i feel this is a good opportunity the win a big pot and be comfortable for a while. as mentioned the buttons hand range is huge and the SB has a pretty decent range too. im prepared for a 50/50 at eorst in this spot
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: AlexMartin on March 07, 2007, 04:39:10 PM all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK Would love to "know" when im up against this with AK. In a 3-way coup, is it even possible? I call. All day long, every day. Then button shoves and you have 2 pots to win. SB's range against aggy button is gigantic. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: maxward on March 07, 2007, 04:46:30 PM all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK That seems quite a weak argument to me - against all pairs AK is a dog, allbeit marginal. To just go with a hand on speculation that youll win a coin toss seems somewhat naive. By all means lead out with AK if you so wish, as there will be fold equity to factor in, but in a calling situation id either need very tasty odds, a good level or so later, or a surefire sense that he overplays weak aces or picture hands. I agree that there is a range the button maybe playing a wider number of hands but that is almost an irrelevance now as the SB has pushed when they potentially are only loosing the value of a SB, that- for me at least- is an aggressive move ahead of time, which indicates a smaller range of hands than I think you guys are suggesting. But hey ho im probably wrong. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: dime on March 07, 2007, 05:05:23 PM Normally I'm not a fan of AK, it is normally a very tricky hand to play and seems to realy come into its own to battle against the forces of evil blind stealers (more often than not far more useful in the latter stages of a tournamnet than initally). owever from the situation described it sounds like the SB has half a hand and is fed up with the button's aggresive betting so is making a stand. I put him on a big enough hand range that I'm unlikley to be much less than 50-50 if the button folds, which I would expect him to.
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: AlexMartin on March 07, 2007, 05:30:30 PM all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK That seems quite a weak argument to me - against all pairs AK is a dog, allbeit marginal. To just go with a hand on speculation that youll win a coin toss seems somewhat naive. By all means lead out with AK if you so wish, as there will be fold equity to factor in, but in a calling situation id either need very tasty odds, a good level or so later, or a surefire sense that he overplays weak aces or picture hands. I agree that there is a range the button maybe playing a wider number of hands but that is almost an irrelevance now as the SB has pushed when they potentially are only loosing the value of a SB, that- for me at least- is an aggressive move ahead of time, which indicates a smaller range of hands than I think you guys are suggesting. But hey ho im probably wrong. Ur right. I should wait for Aces in a crapshoot. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: maxward on March 07, 2007, 05:38:54 PM [/quote] Ur right. I should wait for Aces in a crapshoot. [/quote] thats hardly what im saying, its about pickimg your spots, im not advocating boycotting AK but just not on this ocassion. I just disagree with Ironisde when he said that hed never fold AK in a crapshot Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 07, 2007, 06:34:55 PM I suppose a factor is, how good you think you are compared to the field. I remember Phil Helmuth saying that if he knows he can consistently outplay someone, why should he keep running into coinflips with them and lose the edge. I was at best average against this field though.
Here, I'm putting someone on a pair, and obviously I'm not 5050 if the other guy has A or K. Anyway, I can hear boldie and flushy coming, so I'll just go quietly... Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Ironside on March 07, 2007, 06:52:51 PM Ur right. I should wait for Aces in a crapshoot. [/quote] thats hardly what im saying, its about pickimg your spots, im not advocating boycotting AK but just not on this ocassion. I just disagree with Ironisde when he said that hed never fold AK in a crapshot [/quote] in a crap shoot you should not be folding AK preflop prefabley you want to get cips in first but the world is not perfect unless your up against a complete rock who ONLY plays AA or KK Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Smart Money on March 07, 2007, 07:05:35 PM Live SnG. 7 players. Blinds 50-100. Starting stack 1000. You have 1300 chips, roughly the mode. You are on the big blind. Action folds round to the button. Medium loose aggressive chip leader on the button with 2000 chips raises to 300. LooserAggressive in small blind pushes all in for 1300. You look down at Ahrt Kh. What do you do? More information required. I would need to know the range, mean and median number of chips as well. The standard deviation would be handy also. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Nem on March 07, 2007, 07:20:12 PM Folding this is evidence of certifiable insanity Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 07, 2007, 07:20:59 PM lol
sorry, couldn't think of another word to say what I meant. scottish game, they're all mean... 8 starting players, so you tell me the mean. Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: kinboshi on March 07, 2007, 07:21:35 PM I'd call. Then lose to 75o.
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: sledge13 on March 07, 2007, 09:09:22 PM a/k in dtd tourney:
Game #3384371163: Hold'em NL (50/100) - 2007/03/07 - 20:45:23 (UK) Table "7" Seat 1 is the button. Seat 1: 12monkeys (4670 in chips) Seat 2: Sandstrom (2750 in chips) Seat 3: sledge13 (2040 in chips) Seat 4: Borgen77 (5835 in chips) Seat 5: Bearpowr (6335 in chips) Seat 6: LarZ0N (1500 in chips) Seat 7: matlik1 (2340 in chips) Seat 8: Andych (1545 in chips) Seat 9: Limkid (1450 in chips) Seat 10: Ric210515 (2515 in chips) Sandstrom: posts small blind 50 sledge13: posts big blind 100 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to sledge13 [Kc As] Borgen77: folds Bearpowr: folds LarZ0N: folds matlik1: folds Andych: folds Limkid: folds Ric210515: folds 12monkeys: folds Sandstrom: raises to 1400 sledge13: raises to 2040 and is all-in Sandstrom: calls 640 ----- FLOP ----- [5c 4h 7c] ----- TURN ----- [5c 4h 7c]
Title: Re: AK Big Sick Post by: Nem on March 07, 2007, 09:21:20 PM a/k in dtd tourney: Gears...Game #3384371163: Hold'em NL (50/100) - 2007/03/07 - 20:45:23 (UK) Table "7" Seat 1 is the button. Seat 1: 12monkeys (4670 in chips) Seat 2: Sandstrom (2750 in chips) Seat 3: sledge13 (2040 in chips) Seat 4: Borgen77 (5835 in chips) Seat 5: Bearpowr (6335 in chips) Seat 6: LarZ0N (1500 in chips) Seat 7: matlik1 (2340 in chips) Seat 8: Andych (1545 in chips) Seat 9: Limkid (1450 in chips) Seat 10: Ric210515 (2515 in chips) Sandstrom: posts small blind 50 sledge13: posts big blind 100 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to sledge13 [Kc As] Borgen77: folds Bearpowr: folds LarZ0N: folds matlik1: folds Andych: folds Limkid: folds Ric210515: folds 12monkeys: folds Sandstrom: raises to 1400 sledge13: raises to 2040 and is all-in Sandstrom: calls 640 ----- FLOP ----- [5c 4h 7c] ----- TURN ----- [5c 4h 7c]
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