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Title: Live PLO hand
Post by: Royal Flush on March 14, 2007, 05:26:28 AM
The dreaded last hand of the night, its £2-£2-£5-£10 PLO high.

Seat 1 has £180
Seat 2 has £900
Seat 3 has £1500
Seat 4 has £1500
Seat 5 has £500


Action pre flop seat 5 folds seats 1-3 call the 10 and seat 4 makes it £30, all call.

You are in seat 2 with  Aspades 7s 8c 8d

The flop comes  9s 6d 2s

You check, seat 3 checks, seat 4 now fires £100 and seat 1 calls leaving £50 back. What is your play now and why?


If you flat call the 100 and now seat 3 re-raise to £300 total and is met with a call from seat 4 and seat 1 how do you play and why?


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: temp0r on March 14, 2007, 07:10:15 AM
i can't imagine you checked to just call so i'm going with a raise

raising the pot here makes you very committed. not that i see that as a problem. you have to imagine you're even or ahead here. but if you have over half your stack in there on the flop no-one will want to chase you with a lower flush draw (unless its a loose table - you dont state).

i don't think min-raising is the worst play in the world here really. you build the pot. possibly slow seat 3 down and get a bit more info from seat 4. i think raising to 300 would do the same but would leave you with less options if re-raised or bet into on the turn so would rather min-raise.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: boldie on March 14, 2007, 11:30:21 AM
I'm all in after all that action and BY GOD I hope they all call....and then I pray the board doesn't pair.

It's quite clear 2 of them should be having trips + a FD. but you are drawing to the absolute stone fecking cold nuts with your straight and your FD.

I would pick up a massive pot if I were to hit here and I'm willing to risk that and the possibility fo the board pairing up.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: temp0r on March 14, 2007, 02:12:28 PM
you can't go all in here though! the most you can raise leaves half your stack back.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: boldie on March 14, 2007, 02:17:51 PM
how does the max bet leave half your stack back? I read this as Flushy having 900 in front of him when the hand starts.

120£ goes in pre-flop, 4 people (including flushy call the 100£ bet on the flop) so that's 520 in there.

a reraise to 300 and a call. this leaves plenty in the pot to get your remaining 770 in, or am I wrong?

Anyways..I'll stick as much in as possible right here and now.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: booder on March 14, 2007, 02:29:37 PM
i agree with Boldie , i am all in here


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: temp0r on March 14, 2007, 02:36:59 PM
oh i thought you meant going all-in before the call and re-raise action. no worries.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: doubleup on March 14, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
I would just call the 300 - you need 16+ outs to go heads up with a set.  Although the dead money still makes this profitable.  The only debate is whether you could knock out another 78 with a reraise - but this also might get another flush draw to fold - so probably not much to be gained.



   


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2007, 05:21:51 PM
i fold preflop with a hand thats not even marginal
you flop a set you could always be drawing to one out via a bigger set
you have an ace with no kicker so its useless and is only good for the flush
you only have 2 connecting cards so straight draws arent good ones )likea complete wrap)

basically i dont know what i would do as i wouldnt be in the pot with a hand with limited possiblity
that were always going to get you into trouble



Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: M3boy on March 14, 2007, 05:48:06 PM
i fold preflop with a hand thats not even marginal
you flop a set you could always be drawing to one out via a bigger set
you have an ace with no kicker so its useless and is only good for the flush
you only have 2 connecting cards so straight draws arent good ones )likea complete wrap)

basically i dont know what i would do as i wouldnt be in the pot with a hand with limited possiblity
that were always going to get you into trouble



Perfect hand for James then ? lol


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: ysoglum? on March 14, 2007, 06:44:45 PM
No brainer for me, ship it in, cross your fingers, dance around the cardroom with your shirt over your head when you hit one of your outs to sink the made hands :D


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Royal Flush on March 14, 2007, 09:31:33 PM
i fold preflop with a hand thats not even marginal
you flop a set you could always be drawing to one out via a bigger set
you have an ace with no kicker so its useless and is only good for the flush
you only have 2 connecting cards so straight draws arent good ones )likea complete wrap)

basically i dont know what i would do as i wouldnt be in the pot with a hand with limited possiblity
that were always going to get you into trouble



Don't play deep stacked 5 handed much?





No-one opts for calling the £200 extra?

It's what i did leaving £450 back, i am certain i am up against a set and if the board pairs on the turn i can get out, if it doesn't then i will check call any bet (hope for checked around!) Of course if i hit i can fire in my 450.

As it happened the 2 paired the turn so i got out of it with some money left. Player 3 had quad 2's and player 4 had a set of sixes! Pretty sick hand.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2007, 10:13:47 PM
not really deep stacked with the shorty ony having 18bb with it being a trckless 5 handed game i would prefer to play even tighter than normal knowing when i do hit i will get paid

i can honestly say once all the hands are reveled if everyone gets all in you will be lucky if your getting the correct odds


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Royal Flush on March 14, 2007, 10:35:01 PM
not really deep stacked with the shorty ony having 18bb with it being a trckless 5 handed game i would prefer to play even tighter than normal knowing when i do hit i will get paid

i can honestly say once all the hands are reveled if everyone gets all in you will be lucky if your getting the correct odds

Str8 and flush draw against 2 sets? HUUUUUUUUGE


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2007, 10:47:35 PM
if you had that draw v 2 sets then depends on who has the sets on how big you are

now if the 2 bigger stacks have the sets then your ok you will get more than pot odds on the call

i really dont like the call preflop but obviously when you hit the flop your looking good unless the other players have some of your outs i think you could be ranging anywhere fom 35% to 60% to win the pot

if the 2 1500 stacks have the sets then your getting great odds to make the call but i still dont like it


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: doubleup on March 14, 2007, 11:15:57 PM
if you had that draw v 2 sets then depends on who has the sets on how big you are

now if the 2 bigger stacks have the sets then your ok you will get more than pot odds on the call

i really dont like the call preflop but obviously when you hit the flop your looking good unless the other players have some of your outs i think you could be ranging anywhere fom 35% to 60% to win the pot

if the 2 1500 stacks have the sets then your getting great odds to make the call but i still dont like it


Iron - this is the easiest plo call ever.  The only debate is whether raising is better to drive out a hand that would split the pot and the dead money.  I think calling is better as it keeps a weaker flush in the hand.

I agree that it isn't a great hand preflop and wouldn't play it if I thought there was a good chance that the pot would be raised after me - but it's ok to play in a passive game.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Royal Flush on March 14, 2007, 11:38:24 PM
if you had that draw v 2 sets then depends on who has the sets on how big you are

now if the 2 bigger stacks have the sets then your ok you will get more than pot odds on the call

i really dont like the call preflop but obviously when you hit the flop your looking good unless the other players have some of your outs i think you could be ranging anywhere fom 35% to 60% to win the pot

if the 2 1500 stacks have the sets then your getting great odds to make the call but i still dont like it


It was the 2 £1500 stacks with the sets.

I am just wondering who takes the turn here to save money on a paired turn, rather than shipping it in on the flop, i think it has to be the superior play.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2007, 12:12:50 AM
i dont like the call due to the fact that if the board doesnt hit you or pair you might have to call off the 600 left as a dog in the hand


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Royal Flush on March 15, 2007, 12:59:43 AM
oops i started with 875 in the hand, i had £545 back after calling the 300.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: doubleup on March 15, 2007, 01:30:11 AM
i dont like the call due to the fact that if the board doesnt hit you or pair you might have to call off the 600 left as a dog in the hand

Pot ~1k

Opponent bets 600

pot ~1.6k

600 to call

pot odds ~2.7-1

13 nut outs from 45 cards

Odds of hitting ~2.4-1

Bad maths edited......


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: KingPoker on March 15, 2007, 02:54:47 AM
I think you played it correctly. The cheap get in was gd enough for playing the hand preflop and the call was the optimium play on the flop. You had correct odds to call even push if you chose to on flop but the cautious approach was best here and the outcome proved it!


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2007, 09:51:26 AM
i dont like the call due to the fact that if the board doesnt hit you or pair you might have to call off the 600 left as a dog in the hand

Pot ~1k

Opponent bets 600

pot ~1.6k

600 to call

pot odds ~2.7-1

13 nut outs from 45 cards

Odds of hitting ~2.4-1

Bad maths edited......

yyout missing the split possibiltires hands that have hit the set would normally have similair straight draws to yours
also your not counting the number of your outs in your oppos hands


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 15, 2007, 09:54:46 AM
Ironside let it go mate lol..

Nothing wrong with this hand played out IMO... A blatant chirp though that you didnt do your stack on the hand Mr Flush lol!


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: AlexMartin on March 15, 2007, 12:12:14 PM
not really deep stacked with the shorty ony having 18bb with it being a trckless 5 handed game i would prefer to play even tighter than normal knowing when i do hit i will get paid

i can honestly say once all the hands are reveled if everyone gets all in you will be lucky if your getting the correct odds

Str8 and flush draw against 2 sets? HUUUUUUUUGE

Am i missing something here? You are drawing to the nut flush and str8. In it goes.


Title: Re: Live PLO hand
Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2007, 03:21:30 PM
not really deep stacked with the shorty ony having 18bb with it being a trckless 5 handed game i would prefer to play even tighter than normal knowing when i do hit i will get paid

i can honestly say once all the hands are reveled if everyone gets all in you will be lucky if your getting the correct odds

Str8 and flush draw against 2 sets? HUUUUUUUUGE

Am i missing something here? You are drawing to the nut flush and str8. In it goes.

your missing that its PLO not HE