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The article via this link is probably one of the most informative I've read in a long time!

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=15004

I wouldn't go that far but a good article for beginners. K,J suited is not a great hand. calling raises with it will cost you over time.

I was thinking the exactly same thing!

I think the problen TJ was highlighting was not the fact that Kc Jc was a bad hand but its a bad hand to CALL with.

If you reverse the situation and you're calling on the button with that hand then its a much more potent weapon than being first to act with it!

Or have I misunderstood.

You are right though...I just have added (for beginners) in the title!!

I am not attacking you UKpoker but I actually think it is one of the worst articles I have read from Tom. He is very oldschool in his thinking and although he has won far more than I can ever dream of the new style of poker player does not count the blind money as gone. Players like Negreanu and Hansen will call with many holdings from the BB as they are confident of outplaying their opponents through the streets. It may be contraversial to disagree with one of the legends of the game but I have read a lot of articles from Tom and I can't help thinking he misleads people with some of the stuff he writes. Calling someone can be a more powerful statement than rerasing them IMO and gives you a chance to take the pot away on any sign of weekness. The biggest winners of tournaments over the past few years have been so called "flair" players and I think the day of the rock has passed. The blinds,button and cutoff are where I make most of my plays. there is more than one way to skin a cat and I think sitting and waiting for monster hands is a thing of the past.

You are totally correct Ariston.

100% right, if you are going to wait for monsters, you are often well behind in chips when it comes to the business end and your tournament life depends on a coin flip or a race

I am instinctively tight, rockish and solid, but these days in big LIVE comps (on the net I think it's slightly diffrerent, ABC and getting monsters paid off is that much more possible) that is only taking you so far...the odd result say, but rarely the big win


Name me the rocks who have won big events recently?

I may have read this wrongly but i thought he was referring to hands that you are more likely than not gonna be dominated with, i.e. the KJ v AK.
Calling higher cards versus raised hands is what can get you into the most trouble, this is why when i'm short stacked and looking to go allin with my last few chips i'll pass a rag ace and try to wait for 78, 89,910 etc.
How many times do you see people go out with a rag ace or KQ or KJ etc. it's nearly always because they are called with a dominating hand.
I thought this was the gist of the article.
I was looking at poker tracker last night and i make 40% odd of my profits in cash games from the big blind!!! so i certainly agree with Ariston in that respect.
Ian

All makes for good debate!

What a bunch of crap.

If the button raises in the deep stage of a tournament i am to put him on AA-JJ AJ AK????

I call with KJ suited in that spot EVERY time! The raiser could have any 2, and he will bet the flop if i check to him.

Is TJ trying to write stuff to make his opponents play badly?

He has done for the last few years flushy

Probably why many don't rate his book

IIRC there was an excellent zeejustin post on 2+2 where he mathematicaly proved that going all in short stacked with A9 is a lot better than suited conectors.

Do you have a link?

No sorry, you should be able to find it with a username search, it was on the MTT forum.

Have to say I agree with Ariston and Flushy here , there is no way you can put him on a big hand in that situation even if he is a total rock its still a pretty standard tournement move - he isnt betting his hand at this point he is betting that yours isnt good enough. Good players are aware of the potential dangers of calling with any hand tho getting away from the flop here would be difficult. So what if the guy just calls with the qq? you will either reraise preflop or just check if you check the chips go in the middle on the flop no question about it, if you reraise your likley facing an all in bet preflop , then it will come down to how much you have invested already, your stack if you fold and what you feel you chances of getting your stack back on track are.

I disagree with calling heads-up in the SB BB as you will miss the flop 66% of the time and give your money to the raiser. I think you should either re-raise v A steal raise (he will pass  > 50% pre flop) and then bet the flop if he calls, or just pass. You should not enter any pot Heads-Up not being the aggressor in my view, multi-way is different as you the original raiser will be less likely to bluff you with someone else in the pot.

Secondly, you can call with any crap on the button v a weak player who will check if he has missed.

who says you have to hit to win the pot?

Who says you have to have the best hand to win the pot?

who says one can ever win a pot?

Who says you have to play a pot?

Who says it won't go to pot.

who says you shouldn't play every pot

Where's my potty?

you look potty  ;D

Ta :)

Safest way to be if you ask me :)