Title: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Manchester20 on March 15, 2007, 10:26:23 AM Are single table SnG's a lottery when you have 1500 chips to start & 8 or 10 min blinds?
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2007, 10:28:23 AM nope
blind structure could have a big effect on these events obviously the worse the structure the more varence there is in the events but some people make a living playing these comps Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: thetank on March 15, 2007, 10:31:13 AM Some do ok at the ones with only 5 minute levels too.
Swings may be big, edge per tournament may be small, but a lottery they ain't. Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Dale on March 15, 2007, 12:47:32 PM NO SKILL IN ALL IN !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 15, 2007, 01:08:35 PM Not really, no. Some other factors affect it: the buy-in, and the table size. $100 buy in can be more of a lottery than $20, because you are playing against much much better players, you'll be lucky to find many fish, which means that the field won't be thinning out within 30 mins, because:
A: people have committed more cash and are scared to lose it B: better players are not calling all in with A7o, so it is normal at $100 to find after 45 mins still 75 percent of the field present. A lot of the time within 45 mins you have an average stack, with quite big blinds, and this quickly makes the game a lottery. In a 6 seater you obviously play a lot more hands than a 10 seater and have to get rid of less people to hit the money, so is much less of a lottery than 10 seater. I moved to Virgin for a while, their sit n go structure is just a joke, 5 mins or something. Works great for virgin, works well for fish (they suffer less in a lottery), but they can stuff it. Party poker quite bad structure also, poker room were ok, I've gone back to the site I started on and it's just sweeeet, if you can sit on your hands for a while. 6 handed yesterday, I checked my emails then went back to play a hand to find myself heads up and in the money. Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: TheChipPrince on March 15, 2007, 02:46:26 PM Which site would you recommend for STT's then Paul?? Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 15, 2007, 03:08:19 PM blondepoker is good. If I lose my money there, you'll probably find me way up a really tall mountain...
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: boldie on March 15, 2007, 03:44:13 PM don't forget stars. The stars 9 table STT's non turbo's are lovely..can take a long time though
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2007, 03:48:17 PM don't forget stars. The stars 9 table STT's non turbo's are lovely..can take a long time though turbos are very playable Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Acidmouse on March 15, 2007, 03:56:26 PM I find the 10 seaters a bit of a crapshoot.
I stick to the 6 seaters, but this means you have to win a good % of them. Not too difficult at the stakes i play at. Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: boldie on March 15, 2007, 03:56:40 PM don't forget stars. The stars 9 table STT's non turbo's are lovely..can take a long time though turbos are very playable yeah they are but a bit more erm..variance I believe is the popular phrase Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: bhoywonder on March 15, 2007, 04:07:08 PM don't forget stars. The stars 9 table STT's non turbo's are lovely..can take a long time though totally agree best on the net if u have the time,and surprisingly good players a majority of the time they can actually fold,now n again surprisingly Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Longy on March 15, 2007, 05:32:13 PM Sng's are not a lottery at all, the edges are often quite small but long term (2000+ sng's) the better players win and the bad players lose. As for structure as said before stars non turbos are very well structured as are ultimate bets. Yet even the party speeds take about 30 mins start to finish are playable and there are quite a few making a living playing them.
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 15, 2007, 06:46:07 PM Where I'm playing I can attribute 95 % of non-cash finishes to my own error, 85 % of non-firsts to my own error. The number one, supreme, overriding error, is getting involved when you don't have to. The player attrition rate is huge in sub-$50 games. Once you have doubled up in the first 45 mins you need to take active steps not to cash, yet often you see these stacks bleeding away or crashing out. Do **** all.
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on March 15, 2007, 07:16:30 PM i disagree with the dtd sng's being recomended, 4 left everyone usually has under 10xx bb infact is prob more like <9xbb
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: FlyingPig on March 15, 2007, 07:33:30 PM Sit and Go's are a great way to make money. If you learn the push/fold technique and use pokertracker to go through your history, and even go as far as putting your hands in a hand analyser to see if it was a good push.
Its not a very exciting way to play, but you can make serious and steady money from them, which will then allow you to play in the expensive mtt's. I prefer to multi table about 3 or 4 stt turbo's on Party. More people seem to use the push fold on stars, so that makes it harder. Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Irishdenis on March 15, 2007, 08:07:36 PM watch this space and you might see blonde only events with longer structures
Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 15, 2007, 09:48:41 PM watch this space and you might see blonde only events with longer structures sounds like a trailer for a swedish porn flick. Title: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: TightPaulFolds on March 15, 2007, 10:33:53 PM i disagree with the dtd sng's being recomended, 4 left everyone usually has under 10xx bb infact is prob more like <9xbb point takenTitle: Re: Are single table SnG's a lottery Post by: Snatiramas on March 15, 2007, 10:56:57 PM watch this space and you might see blonde only events with longer structures That would be fun |