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i still cant get my head around it.,.,.,
live cash i win 95% of the time
online cash ive never ever won  (the odd few times)

i know this is a big diffrence but cash i play mostly 6, 5, or 4 card omaha
online its more texas and 4 card omaha....

i just cant get my head around it,,,this happens with a lot of the top players in the country too.
they win online and cant win live and some vice versa,.,.any views on this.,.,.????

Live is easier than Online, there is more information available live and people tend to play a bit better live than they do online, Atleast thats the observations i have made.

thanks for your view ..im just flumaxed into why its still money,ive played all levels online both ends big and small,and i really think the online play is weaker than live,but if you sit and wait for aa kk qq,they seem to allways get fooked,coz ive tried both ways now im the one doing the fooking lol,but then i give it back when ive locked up.,lol its a vicious circle online i think.,.,there will only ever be one real winner online in my eyes and thats the house.,.,,.

Have to disagree mate, think there is still a lot of money to be made at 5/10, 10/20 nl hold em for good loose agressive players. I only play 6 handed so there may be a lot of money to be made in the 5/10, 10/20 nl games for good tight agressive players, who knows. Im pretty sure you have raised this issue before about the differneces between live and online. Im just guessing now, but i imagine you approach online cash sessions not expecting to win, and in turn this affects your level of play, i may be way off here btw, just trying to give some reasoning

Live is a lot easier, the standard is generally a lot poorer because the games are filled with Roulette players.


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When I say better I mean easier to read due to the general tightness.

Yeah people rarely change gears and are very predictable (worse)

Yeah given up on online cash, but im rubbish anyway....Pab you should run an online helpline!

You run so well!!!!

Not the last few days, lol

im a roulette player actually,and i know a few more wheel/poker players,ali mallu,mad turk,chicken joe,im sure you wouldnt want these guys on your table?

thnaks mate for your time to imput ,but i dunno i just cant get my head around it,i have mentioned it before,and it still buzzes in my head m8.,.,maybee im going to stick to just cash live.,.,.,.i hope yall dont think im just saying this coz im having a bad run onlie.,.,coz i aint been playing online to be honest its just the same thought lol.,.,ty pab

I agree with this.

I clean up in the cash games at the casino but always get pwned by better players in online cash.

Probably coz the ppl in the casino are gamblers and not superstars scandies.

Tournaments only pour moi.

i dont think its better players online.,.,. it just seems a lot of outdraws,and they dont have to face you calling you down with bottom pair,incase they were wrong,
and i think online play is not like reall money,when you bet £2,000 into a pot online they got 15 seconds to act,and its just not money,where as live you count out £2,000  in £50s its a bit harder to call i think personally......

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I used to love playing live cash in the casino but when they say its dealers choice thats a bit of a lie. Coz u may as well just say its 6 card omaha or agin in more simplified terms bingo poker!!!!!
For 9 hands of 6 card omaha or if your lucky some 3 card irish then when it got to me one hand of holdem!
Thats great for the old geezers who are gambling addicts and just love to burn money and get all the money in preflop but for the new school player who likes to keep tabs on his roll then its a nightmare!!!!

I really hate live cash for so many reasons, for started its always full ring, 9 or 10 handed, yuk. You can only play 1 table, nightmare, THe speed, sooooo slow

I think my tournament style is more suited to live games now however as everyone seems willing to call online, preflop and postflop. ONe of the reasons im almost exclusively playing cash online these days

I agree with you on the slowness pab but i think live games are so much looser than online. As i tried to point out they tend to be the old school crew who love the BJ and roulette, and love the gambling side of poker rather than the statistical side.

I think online tournaments have become more and more of a lottery as new players get good at them quicker, fields are increasing taking away the edge of the better players and bumping up variance.

The bad players are emphaised even more when the stacks are deep like in cash games and I reckon where the money is to be made online atm. Me and JP spoke about this quite a lot on the Ept dortmund trip as we both have had good success in online tournaments yet we are both playing cash these days.

One of the main things for me was allowing me to have a far more active social life as im not a slave to the online mtt schedule anymore

if your struggling to get your game in gear go back to basics play a 1/2 cent game where you should be easy able to beat it

and when you think your game is winning move up 1 stage at a time untill you get to the level your game shuld be at

i havent played much poker in the last few months because i wasnt enjoying it

but have recently start back but at the 1/2 cent level on blonde cant make a fourture but if you have losing sessions here then you know there is a flaw in your game

Spot on,for me cash games are the way forward online for the exact reasons you highlight.

The rapidly decreasing edge for good players in tournaments was outlined in a excellent article on pocket 5's that I would recommend people read. Cant link it on here, It may still be on the homepage, if not you should come across it pretty easily using the search function, the author was crazy cypriot.

Just a quick question for you pab, you mention online mtts, online cash and live cash but what about live mtt;s. I know you have qualified online for numerous big live events but what about the casino mtts or festivals. Would you still consider yourself to have an edge on these?

jeez, I was thinking that the cash games are getting tough but there's still a large amount of fish playing MTTs. If tourneys are getting tough wtf's left. HU I suppose.

In my experience online play is of better standard than live play generally, they are in some ways different skill sets. Correct if im wrong sofa king but you are quite loose aggressive player, people online are more prepared to call you from their own living room than they might be in front of a whole table of poker players due to the ego/ embarrassment factor of showing down a weak hand, but often winning hand.

I don't play much live cash but when i have the standard is unbelievably bad compared to online limit, you watch $2/4 game on the internet full ring and at most you will see on average 3 players seeing every flop. Live the world and his wife are in a raised pot with rags.

I wouldnt like to say tbh, I have a few decent live scores but am pretty inexperienced when it comes to live poker. I probably give off a boat load of tells that im not aware of, lol.

Most live multi's have bad structures, thats a fact, and a good players edge is reduced when the stacks are very shallow. IN the big buy in comps tho, with 10k chips and 1hr min clock, I think the good players have a pretty big edge. Once again tho, the nature of tournaments mean  that at some point you are gonna need to win races, and that is jst plain luck, nothing else. However the majority of the tournament, from say 300 players down to 30 allows for players to play post flop when good players really press home their superioty IMO.

Am i right in thinking you play exclusively on crypto byron? If so i think the games there, 5/10nl and 10/20nl are the most solid I have come across. The player pool seems very small for those games, and I was playing the same guys all the time, most of which were very good, and we just passed money amongst ourselves (not intentionally obv)

For this reason I try and keep the necessary bankroll on 4 differnet sites to play the stakes that I want, so my game selection is pretty good.

Yeah I don't play that high yet but I'm glad you think the players are good cos a lot of them come down to 2/5 on occasion and I've been going through a few hands on PT including some of yours  :)up I think I'm just starting to get the idea. My post flop play was abysmal up until last week really and I've obv still got a long way to go.

I am winning at both but I have put a hell of alot of effort into my cash game play lately.

This is pretty amazing Pab, after playing exclusively tournaments for over two years, I came to the same conclusion about a month ago.

Online cash is new territory for me, but full ring seems to suit my style. Like you, I have found one of the nicest things about cash games is the ability to just stop playing when I want to

How come Annette_15 wins every MTT she plays then?

I dont understand.

according to officialpokerrankings she's played 771 tourneys at Stars in the last 4 months with an ROI of 144% and 311 at Tilt with an ROI of 104%.

Clear winner - Post of the Week.

Ali Mallu & Mad Turk - I would play Cash Games with these guys 7 days a week, given the time! They'd bust me, mind....

this may sound very harsh.,.,but you know all the people who play mt sattalites to get to bigger events online.,(to play  live).,..,.,where do the come, when it gets down to the live action? okokokok,,,the odd one slips through the net and wins one big comp now and again but in genral i think the winners of the big comps either comes from live mt satalites or from buying there way into these big comps,this is not just my view on it,this is the view of a lot of my mates too,theres only one guy in my eyes who has had quite a big sucsess at this and its paul jackson,but how come he dont win more live than he did online? micky wernick does he play much online ?
i dont know one player in the country who have dominated both online and live,does anyone???
what im trying to say is think that online players are totally diffrent from live players,
show me one top internet player that has dominated live play too.,.,

Ali Mallu & Mad Turk, me - I would play Cash Games with these guys 7 days a week, given the time! They'd bust me, mind....

dont tell me when you get to a casino for a comp,that you would be pleased if these guys were on your table.,.,
coz nobody wants me on there table in a re-buy-or a freezout.,., i can assure you.,.,you either get chips, out early or it cost you plenty.,thats my style of play.,.but if i get the chips i do change gears mind.,.,.SLOW DOWN.,.,

Patrick Antonius? Decimateed an EPT field after arriving 5 hours late, even ran deep in the highly specialised WSOP $50,000 HORSE.

Paul Jackson - his "Live" record is excellent considering how few Live Events he plays. (Remember Monte Carlo Millions...).

Many others, too. But generally, yes, Online & Live are different disciplines, & few do both at the very highest level.

My Dream Tourney Table would include Mad Turk, Ali Mallu, & you, Mr S King. My "style" (such as it is) works perfectly against such players, & we can & should all adapt to the game-type of our opponents. Loose aggressive maniac versus tight aggrerssive donkey works surprisingly well.

zeejustin and a few other 16 year old americans

Many others, too. But generally, yes, Online & Live are different disciplines, & few do both at the very highest level.



you speak sence atlast.,.,and i thought you were daft.,,

i remember patrick and the midland masters final a few years back.,.,,i hadnt been playing long and during a break i seen him outside all cool on his mobile phone and i whispered to him (thinking i was being nice lol) i bluffed you out of about 3 pots,he just looked at me and said SO.,.,.
but ok,,, pat antonious theres one out of 40,000,000 european players from online

JP, stuart fox

Paul wasicka, played almost exclusively online before wsop sucess, then played very well on high stakes poker recently

Jonny 'bad ip' lodden

Brian 'sbrugby' Townswend

Cliff ' Jonnybax' Josephy

Im sure there are many more but these are the guys that came into my head right away. The online tournament fields are very very strong these days in the big buy comps. The daily $100 rebuy on stars probably has a stronger field than any festival side event, and is comparable to a £1k buy event in terms of quality of player. The transition from online to live is a lot easier than vice versa, and a lot of guys, well people I know dont really see it as all that different and dont want to put each discipline into a box like you seem to want to sofa.

Just because he is letting me stay this week,

cardiff's very own rudders as well, does equally as good live and online

rudders has never ever played live cash mate.,.,
im not just on about tournaments.,.,im on about all games in genral

i know online to call someone on the river with the second nuts for say £2k is a lot easier
 than calling them live with the second nuts for £2k.,.,..,,.

alex jacob, the grinder, strasser, alan sass, carl olson, ozzy +++

Colchester Kev , Royal Flush , Tikay

Booder, my Hero. I am equally bad, Live or Online. As you know.....

i must admit i like these sort of players at my table ,probably cause im a rock.

you mean like 6th in wsop 5k event, 35th(or thereabouts) in aussie millions, and well into $ in the dortmund ept.  And 2 of these qualified for online (btw james)-just love your modesty.


Just for the record mate- have played plenty- and done ok- I just dont play 6 card omaha for a lot of the reasons outlined ( esp by king poker)  I tend to play nlhe and 4 card omaha- which dont tend to played much in cardiff. you have already pointed out that the live games you play 45ou dont see me play cash because my prefered games are not played in cardiff.

Funnily enough am following the cash option at the mo-  although still playing some tournies- but mainly because of the software change from tribeca. was running really well in mtts just prior to the change. omaha cash is rocking at the mo.

I would say Roland has done so but I do get you rpoint.