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That way McClaren would get the boot and we may still qualify by winning all the rest of our games......

  Dunno about losing,but we don't look like winning it at the moment.Infact it is a load of shit!!

Absolutely terrible.  Crowd aren't happy.  I'm not chuffed and I haven't travelled over there!

Pathetic side.  I hope McClaren gets the boot after this, it's woeful.

Gerrard didn't play that badly...:dontask:

JJ superb post, the only one who showed any effort was Gerrard, yes Mclaren is not ideal but it is the players fault...quite simple, they are out there kicking the damn ball! They were playing virtual part timers and in the first half there was no effort at all, that is down to the players not the manager. I have said before there is no golden generation, just a "hype" generation.   

Not impressed with Terry coming out and saying the fans booing doesn't help.  Of course it doesn't but they are paid enough money to do a better job than this.  Rio was saying earlier that regardless of money, they're all proud to wear the England shirt - I'm not convinced by that at all.

Bring back Beckham, he should never have been dropped imo.

Should have been dropped a long time ago.  Well before the World Cup.

first job, surely we can put together a 1st 11 of world class players. Beckham will be back when fit. we can easily get two good years from him and he IS world Class.

Downing, Richards not convinced
Johnson, good player but not world class.

Robinson, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney are all world class but need a rocket up their arses.

Midfield, Gerrard/Lampard CAN work in a more attacking game. Hargreaves / Gerrard in more defensive games.

Rooney needs a goal poaching partner. NOT big bird.

I think Maclaren is capable of the job but he's certainly buggering it up at the minute

 

WAS world class - his best days are behind him, and he's lackng in so many areas now (speed, defensive capabilities, ability to take on a player, etc.).  He's still got a great right foot, but unfortunately that's not enough.  Also, we don't have 11 world-class players in the England team, certainly not across all the positions.  Yesterday we had three world-class players - Gerrard, Rooney and Terry.  Of course, this is dependent on your definition of world class.

I agree with this, although Richards is still young and improving (whereas Cole is going in the other direction...)

Shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.


Gerrard's doing his bit.  But one man doesn't make a team.

Gerrard and Lampard could only work together in the middle if the formation is different.  England won't be playing that formation, certainly not with McClaren in charge.

Why not Crouch?  He's been scoring for fun for England, and he adds a lot more to the team (when they don't just launch long balls at him - although it's better doing that than lobbing in high crosses to Rooney, Defoe, Johnson and the rest of the seven dwarves.

England miss Crouch when he's not available, but I guess there are lots of England (and Liverpool) fans who just won't ever warm to him.


McClaren isn't capable.  He hasn't achieved anything outstanding at club level, and certainly isn't doing anything to shine at the moment.  He's got the job because the first choice was unavailable, and the second choice of an 'English manager' didn't bring up any available candidates - other than him.

Such a shame a 3-0 win wont be enough for him to go.

BTW you don't need 11 world class players to win things. You need a team with guts & who'll work, then you need a few players with the special bit that can raise the whole team to a new level. Too much shoehorning in of all "good" players irrespective of position/blend is the thing that hurts England most IMHO.

Spot on. Look at Greece 3 years ago.

 ;iagree;

Compare Spain and Germany.

I still think Beckham is world class. It's been very trendy to knock him for a few years now and, while I accept he had a poor world cup, so did most of the team. Every member of a team does a job and Beckham on the right putting balls on a sixpence is something we sorely miss. he's not the best tackler in the team but he's not the worst. his commitment has always been beyond question. also, you don't need to be quick when you can deliver a ball 20 yards earlier than anyone else. Beckham alone doesn't solve the problems but England with him would be stronger than England without him.

Ashley Cole, I couldn't agree more. He is world class BUT he's been very unimpressive for a while now..

Crouch, I can't put my finger on it. Just don't see him as our centre forward. Obviously we'd all like the Michael Owen we were promised in France 98 but he injuries seem to constantly stop us getting him.

I like Maclaren. he's an honest hard working bloke. He's been written off before he even started by many and he's yet to do anything to answer his critics but I don't see him losing the job unless we fail to qualify. I'd love for him to turn it around, qualify and then do well but we'll have to wait and see on that one.

MCLAREN OUT.

Because he used to be Assistant manager at Scumchester,

ALLARDYCE IN.

dont start that scum stuff again. I personally don't think the word scum should be banded about. I find it pretty offensive.

I agree that some of the Beckham beating is quite sick. The way he was blamed for 98 when he lashed out for a split second (at a guy intent on kicking the shit out of him all game) was sick.

But is he still world class? Not for me.

He not only had a poor world cup he had an awful one. He had an awful European Championships before that and a very average world cup before that.

He hasn't done it at club level in at least 2 years. He's not done it for England (except in one off games vs poor opposition) in longer than that. Gone are the days where Beckham scores 15 a season.

Shearer is gone. The cross for the big man is not essential any more.

So what does Beckham offer that others dont? Not alot.

I'd much prefer to see a SWP/Lennon/Joe Cole type who can beat a man, cut inside, get into the box, shoot, play the through ball, use their pace AND cross than just rely on the fabled Beckham cross.

Roberto Carlos proved quite a few times that Beckham is easy to defend against if you close him down.

Yes he's one of England's best 23 players and should be in the squad, but to class him alongside the Alves' and Ronaldos of the right wing world is too generous IMO.

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Its the generally used term for that filthy side in Manchester.

Thats all ive ever hear it referring to anyway. ??

Only by those jealous of the teams success

if it were a rangers fan calling celtic Scum  ;shitfanhit; just because it's premiership shouldnt be any different.

"Filthy"? what on earth are you going on about?

I find it offensive to have football teams, groups of fans or individuals described as scum. give it a rest please.

who do you support anyway?

Just caught up with this thread & yes, Adam has a point.

Having lived in Yorkshire I know that terms like Scumchester etc are pretty much common usage (in the pubs I drank in anyway) - but they're not really in blonde compliant. Rivalry is rivalry, and I know the War of the Roses rivalry is strong, but please don't take it too far.

Is 'manure' OK?

:dontask:

no need for it

I hate @rse and i cant type their name... they call us Spuds ... its banter its not personal ..(well not unless someone makes it personal)

I actually find manure quite funny

just 'scum' is pretty unpleasant

which would you rather drink a pint of though....

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I actually went out to Barcelona for this game, though I'm not really a big England fan, just an excuse to go on holiday to barca. I never thought McLaren was the right appointment from the start his record is average at best and he got the job as a safe option for the FA. My choice was Martin O'Neill but i think he speaks his mind too much for some at the FA.

As for Englands current predicament we are struggling no doubt, we were poor on Wednesday and have been mediocre for a number of years. We have talented group of players who aren't performing but that was true under sven as well. I think we have to stick with McLaren for the rest of this qualifying campaign it would be a rash decisions to let him go, he has not had that many games and who do we replace him with. He is a goner if we don't qualify, there are signs of some brave decisions, he was right to drop Beckham IMO, he is past it and was turning into a professional set piece taker. Though not dealt with well dropping Lampard is a correct and brave decision it isn't working with him and Gerrard, one of them has to go.

Neither could Lehman.

:)up

The problem is that in Sven and especially Second Choice Steve we have had managers who are simply not prepared (or not able) to rule the team with a rod of iron. The England squad are a bunch of jumped-up, spoilt kids and need someone to put the fear of God into them if they fail to give 100%. With Rooney and Lampard in particular, they have club managers who don't take any shit of any kind - they must view England games as great chances to get away from it all, into an environment where they are accorded the level of respect they feel they deserve by a manager who knows he is out of his depth. The players don't respect SCS and it shows - they treat him like a supply teacher who has come in when their regular teacher is off sick. and we all remember how we treated supply teachers when we were at school, don't we?

SCS was right to drop Beckham, but he did it for the wrong reason. It was quite clearly a 'look I'm not Sven's bitch any more' move. Beckham made it easy by relinquishing the captaincy because he knew which way the wind was blowing. Lazy Lampard should have been dealt with ages ago. Gerrard should be captain, not Terry.

At no point in any game has SCS showed the slightest ability to turn things around using his tactical acumen - he has no ideas.

We should get rid of SCS, but only if a successor has already been lined up - we can't afford another farcical search. He may not want the job but the successor is obvious. a manager who has done it at the highest level, who was able to get the most out of his players at international level in the past and who understands enough about football to make tactical switches on the fly. And he can handle the media. The silly thing is he's already involved with England, but is not in any position to make the correct calls for fear of undermining SCS.

Bring back Terry Venables as England manager.