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A $20-$40 game. You are in middle position with K-K and raise an early limper. Only the small blind and the early limper call. There is $140 in the pot and three players. The flop is: Q-4-4, giving you kings over fours. The small blind bets. The early limper folds. Rather than raise, you decide to just smooth-call. You want your opponent to keep betting his queen so that you can raise him on one of the expensive streets. There is $180 in the pot and two players. The turn is the 7. The small blind bets. You now raise. He reraises. What do you do?


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Surprisingly enough, I don't agree with the answer.

This Is limit.

Answer from Ciaffone's book later!!!

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I call quickly and call on the end. It's $20/$40 and most opponents are capable of representing the 4 at this level and also he could easily be 3 betting you thinking his Queen good kicker is good.

I think we should wait for tikay, he's the expert

see me reply elsewhere

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Fold. Unless you know your opponent to be extremely tricky or simply unpredictable, it is hard to believe that your hand is any good. His most likely holding is something with a four, giving him trip fours. There is $380 in the pot, and it costs you another $40 to call when you are dead to a king. The pot odds are not there to play two outs. Agreed that he called your preflop raise, but he was in the small blind. Many players will call raises out of either blind with any pair, any suited ace, any suited king, any suited connector, and so forth. For him to have a four in his hand is well within the realm of possibilities. If you call now and a blank comes, you must call at the river if he bets.



??? Someone tell me how to get in a limit cash game with Mr Ciaffone, the definition of "weak tight!!"

lol yeah i read that book, and chuckled most of the way through it!

If hes got 4 or 77 or QQ so be it. Call on turn and check call river (Unless its King)...I must reread this book (Middle Limit Poker with J Brier?)

edit: Does anyone think the sb (first to act) would bet out with trip 4 s or Queens full on this flop? Seems the author has a severe case of "monsters under the bed" syndrome...

that's the one Simon

I can't believe how weak tight it is....

WHAT DO YOU DO IF IM IN THE HAND, I WOULD RERAISE W/ THAT BOARD JUST ON MY REPUTATION >:D  EVEN W/OUT THE GOODS ;D

I would call him down also.

I've rethought this i 4 bet him 9 times out of 10.

As with the last 1 that was posted on here, i also 4 bet.

I concur with flushy and 4 bet it. Can't be a injun behind every tree (wish I could remember who said that). If you are going to fold every time this typw of situation arises most blondites will murder you in a cash game. If hes got it hes got it and you are going to pay him off on the river. How sick would you be when you fold and he proudly shows you his AQ/QJ stating "I knew it was good".

This defines the difference between the old school players, and the online savvy newer breed of aggresive player, who like me cannot put down these kk's to a turn bet in a limit game.this seems to be why the old school book writers are being swamped in today's game by the aggresive players weened on no limit, who suffer the massive swings of that game,and find limit just too pedestrion.

by the way I bet, like me lots of bloneites were brought up in 3 card brag games in the back street pubs of their adolesents 3h 3c 3d

Trip 3s in 3 card brag (the holy grail)mmmmmmmm never managed it. The only time I was ever rolled up (sixes)was on a hand I spotted the dealer bottom dealing ( 20p game in a pub where no shuffle involved) himself a biker. I was the crazy blind man who gambled alot and having spotted the bottom deal I immediately looked at my cards and intended to leave....note to idiots- if you are going to bottom deal yourself a monster hand please don't give someone else at the table a bigger hand. After about 20 minutes and all his and all his mates money going into the pot I left a happy man. (this was around 15 years ago btw and is the only time I have ever spotted anyone attempting to cheat).

I can trump that M8, playing late into the night against a just released lag(GBH), got involved in a blind raising frenzy, neither of us would go open, till he noticed I'd bet out my stack,so he opens up and puts in a big bet, I look and attempt to call, by borrowing cash from a mate......" no lending " he grunts "you'll have to fold"
I said hold the game i'll drive home and get more roll.
He said I'd have to get out house first...........I stood up walked for the door....trembling,

"Good call" he muttered and trashed his hand,I poketed a table full of oners, and we became firm friends.

lol..poker before LNP and allin rules was really like the wild west. I still play in a 7 card stud game every so often where you can bet what you want when you want and there are no allins- its call or fold no matter what- IOUs are accepted of course.

Ahhhhh, 3 card brag........now that takes me back!
First time i played i didn't really know the rules and actually saw a fella with 666!!!
We used to get the odd gangster come in the pub to play this and i've seen people drop £1000 on a table and say "i'll stay blind", which is daft cuz we all just walked out!!
We used to let you "cover the pot" once only and no borrowing over the table.

Once played a 3 card brag game against 4 builders who had a spate of coming into my pub on payday and getting lashed. We played for 4 hours, i took all their money (£2100)  and another £2500 in iou's. Never saw them again.... funny that.