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6 seater cash online, you have $130, as does mostly everyone. $1-2
Everyone limps, Button raises to $6. SB folds, BB calls, you in middle position call  4c 4d, others fold.

Flop  4h Js  7c

Checked round to you, you check, Button bets $10. BB reraises to $20. You reraise to $40. Button folds. BB goes all in for $110. ??? ??? ???

This is just after you read Harrington saying 'Anyone who flops a set and folds it fearing a better set is an idiot.'

You don't know the BB that well, just that in the last 20 mins you've played with him he seems reasonably tight.

Is set over set just tough ****?

Yes, it's tough ****.

I lose my stack here.  Maybe better players can get away.  You hit the flop you wanted, the chips are going in. 

I would say this is highly unlikely with stacks this shallow. There just aren't enough reraises in it to pass.

It's going in here every time.

FYP

I don't think I've ever folded a set on the flop.

Not saying that is the correct policy just that I've never done it.

I would qualify it by saying that I don't tend to play the really small pocket pairs like 2's, 3's 4's & 5's because set over set is a possibility.

It's still a possibility when you flop a set of 6's or 7's but not just as big a possibility.

I think you have to ask would the hand have panned out any different if the other guy had a big pocket pair or AJ, KJ ? I think your set of 4's would have got the same action

At the levels I play, AA, KK or even QQ would get the same action.  Which is why the small pairs are great to play.

Call here everytime, especially as you only have 65BB.

There are a few good players whose game I know well that I'd possibly fold to here if we were both deep stacked, but generally you have to call.

Me too mate, AA KK QQ flat calling sometimes preflop like here and then check-going crazy on the flop.
40 percent of those who kick around my site make a similar move with AJ KJ here although maybe more likely not to check raise the flop against a preflop raiser.

I read a Harrington quote about folding "middle set" - but maybe that isn't the quote in the book.  If it was I would assume he had some reason for using those particular words.  

Thats not to say that you can fold this...

My STT stats got killed when I decided to play a couple of $530 sit and go's against players like sheets on pokerstars.
I was in ok shape but then got heads up with sheets  on a 3 8 Q flop.  I held pocket 8's and pushed - he called with pocket Q's - goodbye $500 pooofffff....

Dont play the high value STT's anymore on stars ... maybe oneday

ps your play was fine by the way - hard to put down a flopped set. You still have 1 out if you make quads on the turn or river.....

cheers, thankfully I was in the BB this time with the pocket 77.
This has been on my mind a wee bit since just 2 weeks ago I had the 77 reraised just like this with JJ hitting set. If there's no way out, there's no way out. There's probably some formula somewhere that throws the odds of set over set into an equation with the info you have from a certain type of player check rereraising. This guy didn't know me but there are some players I play cash live with who would have shrugged, put me on mid-set and laid it down.

LOL@ possible namedropping.