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Fenomen76 - VP$IP 25% - PFR - 19% only played 47 hands with him.


** Game ID 718613992 starting - 2007-03-29 18:08:32
** One stop [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- fenomen76 sitting in seat 1 with $660.50
- philty321 sitting in seat 2 with $172.50
- evilswine sitting in seat 3 with $618.98
- Mariners sitting in seat 4 with $1326.20
- salmonoysta sitting in seat 5 with $399.40 [Sitting out]
- tosheroo sitting in seat 6 with $432.60 [Dealer]

fenomen76 posted the small blind - $2.00
philty321 posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Mariners:  Jh,  Jc
evilswine folded
Mariners raised - $14.00
tosheroo folded
fenomen76 called - $14.00
philty321 folded

** Dealing the flop:  4s,  Jd,  Qs
fenomen76 checked
Mariners bet - $18.00
fenomen76 called - $18.00

** Dealing the turn:  7c
fenomen76 bet - $34.00
Mariners raised - $115.00
fenomen76 called - $115.00

** Dealing the river:  5s
fenomen76 bet - $298.00

It's Your Turn...

deleted as misread the hand! lol

I'm not the best person to ask (I don't play at this level), but I think the check on the flop, combined with his subsequent betting, you must put him on  Qh Qd . I don't think he would check with  Ad Qh.

So I guess even if you think he has the QQ 80% of the time its a loosing play to call (on average -£162), me thinks clever sized bet where the odds look too good.

But hey what do I know, intrigued to find out now? If you layed it down I will be very impressed, not sure I could but thats why I'm a loosing cash player  ;flushy;

on the river you beat 44, AQ, AJ, KQ, QJ, KK, AA and a hell of a bluff with 109.

his turn bet looks very suckerish having check-called the flop. which would look like QQ. but would he really flat call preflop with QQ?
is AJ sooted of spades more likely? was the turn bet a blocker as he took you for weakness having bet the flop like that?
i think everyone shoves here with a made flush. as well as QQ. so i fold like a whimp.

Bah, i think he has a busted str8 draw or 2 pair and its a call from me. You cant be folding these hands all the time in cash when the pot is this big. Depends on the player but unless he habitually overbets the nuts on the end i call.

I'd be surprised if he shows QQ here. the action preflop and on the flop might suggest it but with the strenght you're showing on the turn every QQ repops you, knowing you'll probably call.

his betting also isn't consistent with a FD really (not a properly played one anyways).

Call for me.

Looks like it could be a flush to me.

I'll often play a flush draw like this, especiall AKs with the 4 extra outs for the gutshot.

That is, call the flop and bet out on the turn on a semi-bluff. It also disguises your hand a little when you hit. (Check/calling with flush draws is often so easy for an opponent to read.)

I'm not sure a set would bet so much on the river, because generally you want to be called by the hands you beat (AA, KK, AQ, lower sets etc.) and you wouldn't want them to be scared off by the 3rd card to the flush. A value/blocker bet from someone holding a set gets them value and potentially saves them money if their opponent raises with a flush (if they believe them.)

If my opponet is poor, then he could have 44, QQ, flush, or a bluff- and I'd make a call against a lot of players.

There is no way a good player would play QQ like this, but if I rated my opponet I'd probably throw my hand away- putting him on the flush.

I'm a very poor cash player, so I can't get far into the '' I think, he thinks I've got ....'' scenario, but looking at the betting I think he's got a flush.

But your previous bets should have priced him out of that, so either he's played you brilliantly for implied odds, or he's got lucky.  But might he have played like that trying to be smart with AA & confused himself ( or don't people do that at this level ? )

Bottom line is  you're getting 2/1 to call.  What are the chances that he'd play like this with a decent, but 2nd best hand, or an outright bluff.

Options :

He might have outplayed you with QQ, but you can't run scared of that. If you lose, you lose.

You might have outplayed him drawing to a flush, but he's got lucky, in which case you have the moral victory, but he has the cash.  But you can't fold here, or he'll outplay you every time the river comes scary.

You win.

You gotta call ( says the idiot , who knows nothing )   ;pokergods;

i got to pass here also but i dont put him on qq like the other posts i doubt he would play qq in that way with fd/sd's on there id have to figure him for some kind of fd with a strait draw of kinds, maybe 109/k10 maybe even 89 or simlar  he is betting the pot and i suppose you could take a shot here but there isnt really any point in it,   1 hand he could have is maybe 77 the bet on the flop is small enough for him to peak at 1 card if he thinks he will get well paid if he hits it

As played I think I would have to fold.

I would have bet more on the flop and raised much more on the turn.

Call everytime for me.

The way i read it, its obvious that you are scared of the flush draw. He has picked up on that and is representing it strongly. Just cant see him turning over a flush unless its combined with some sort of straight draw.

Will we have a flush more than 2 times out of 3? I'm never that sure on reads and can't bring myself to fold second set in that pot.
I pay him off and call.

Note : I'm an internet cash game fish on the internet.

And a silver tongued shark off it ?

lol, not quite, but I find it easier to build up a loose image to get paid.
A table of folk playing 40 hands an hour on a night out tends to call me, a table full of rocks playing 400 hands an hour tend to not.

The standard of live poker players is such that I'm not a fish by comparisom. :)

notice he didn't go all in on the river, so a made flush or qq would be unlikely?

anyway i called and he showed AQ !!!!!SHIP IT!!!!!



just thought id put a winning post on here for a change, try and cause a bit of confusion  ;carlocitrone;

 ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee; Ship it  ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;

Just happy I got a NL cash one right, perhaps overly so.

Good post up the pont00n

nice one!!!..

You say that because he didnt go all in, you thought a made flush or QQ would be unlikely?

If he had gone all in, would you have folded? Maybe i'm being extremely simple, but when i am unsure as to the standard of my opponnent and think he is playing ABC poker, i would have thought the smaller the bet, the less likely it is to be a bluff. If i interpret your comments right (and i might not have) then you are suggseting that the bigger the bet, the better you thought his hand would be?? In this case, if he had gone all in, i would have called him in a new york minute as i doubt many people would have gone all in with a hand that i cant beat.

i was merly stating temp0rs points, it wasn't my view. he (temp0r) has a point though, if he had a flush 'the villian' may of made a value bet e.g half pot or gone all in possibly. this was niether, a pot size bet on the river didn't seem like a value bet to me.

I like his betting however, and would try to hunt you down mariners so i can always overbet the nuts ;)

But when you add it all up, the pot odds, his betting pattern, the fact you have shown him with your betting that you are denying him odds............. and the strength of your hand...................of course its a call.