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A few guys (and gals) have mentioned that they feel a little bit let down by me for ditching my involvement with the club. So i've decided to tell the story....

In the autumn of 2005, Tony Girasoli phoned me on several occasions trying to get me involved with his club and asking me could we get together for a meeting. Although I had too much on my plate with the blondepoker website I was harbouring thoughts of maybe starting a string of ‘blondepoker’ clubs up and down the country.
So eventually Tony persuaded me to meet him in an airport lounge one afternoon when we just happened to be in the same vicinity. He explained that The Cincinatti Club was dead at the moment except for a Sunday cash game and a Thursday students tourney, but he felt I could perhaps fill the place on a more regular basis. A key point that he kept re-stating was that Scottish law was different to England and that The Cincinnati Club had a poker license. (This was a complete lie but integral to me getting involved) After a few hours of talk and negotiations we came to an agreement along the lines of
a)   I would be given a third of the club (Tony & Sid also owning a third)
b)   I would promote the club
c)   I would manage the club the way I wanted. I would have complete control for this purpose. It would not be run by committee.
d)   I could call the club, ‘The Blondepoker Club’
e)   The building was also owned by Sid & Tony. The club was being used to pay of a 10 year mortgage to buy the building. This was a major overhead but Tony offered me a share of the building at a discount price. He said the value of the building was over $400,000. I could buy into the building for a knock down price of £75,000. A down payment of £25,000 when I arrived at the club. £50,000 at any point within the next 18 months.
f)   Tony stated that the company would start afresh and had no debts.
All in all it was a good deal from my point of view. From Tony’s point of view he had nothing to lose because the club was dead at the time.
I arrived at the club late in 2005 to get started. I brought in my own manager Paul Carnegie so that things could be run the way I wanted. I made the mistake of transferring £25,000 into Tony Girasoli’s personal account. Tony had agreed this money would be transferred into the business so that I could use it to buy computers, TV screens, advertising etc. At no point did the money ever go into the company. Comment deleted by moderator. Sid claims that it was lost during a 200k tilt session at the local casino on blackjack and roulette.
It’s hard to believe that I could have been so naïve but Tony had been a sort of friend for a few years and was well respected as part of the northern poker scene.
Within the first week, Tony was breaking our agreement elsewhere. He had had long discussion with Sid and they didn’t want to change the club name to The Blondepoker Club and they wanted to keep The Cincinnati Club name. I wasn’t happy but relented in the hope of getting things moving.
Within a couple of weeks we also had our next major disagreement. Tony insisted that a dealer called Robert was the only dealer in the big Sunday cash game. This would mean that Robert would deal for 10-12 hours with no breaks. I had never heard of anything so ridiculous anywhere. Tony insisted that it was more of a ‘private game’ and all the players were comfortable with Robert.
I have nothing against Robert in any way. However, any dealer who deals that long without breaks is gong to make mistakes. I played in the game and witnessed Robert making plenty of mistakes.
I was also concerned that new players may worry about the integrity of the game with Tony insisting that only 1 particular dealer was used all the time.
To make matters worse, Robert was being paid £15 an hour and getting keep tips on top whilst I was trying to recruit dealers on £5 an hour.
We argued about this point every time I visited. Our original agreement had been that I ‘had complete control’. Tony had no intention of keeping to the agreement.
I continually asked when the money was being transferred into the business account but Tony had no intention of transferring the money. I had made an agreement with betfair to place terminals in the club and we were going to buy several TVs and get linked up for horse racing and sports betting. The money never arrived, so the TVs never got bought. The betfair system was never used.
By February I could see that Tony & Sid had no intentions of keeping to the original agreement, so I told them that I wanted my £25,000 back and that I wanted to leave. I had also learned from Sid that the premises was not worth anything like the £400,000 that Tony had stated. It was worth closer to £270,000.
By now, the club was getting busy every night and I was also in the middle of negotiations with Littlewoods about sponsoring the club. So Tony & Sid agreed that I could get my money back if I stayed. They promised I would get my money back.
Littlewoods agreed to place 10 terminals in the club. I was sure that this was an easy way to make the club profitable. So as long as I got my money back I thought it would be a worthwhile profitable venture comment deleted by moderator.
I started to get the club rolling with the help of blondepoker and other friends. We got extensive press coverage in the poker press and in the National papers in Scotland.  The TV cameras covered events at the club twice. I organised three major weekend events and generally the club became known throughout the country.
I never got paid in any way or drew any money from the club. In fact I had considerable expenses myself and even ended up paying for many club expenses myself. All I asked for was my own £25,000 back.
When I organised a national team event at the club, it was full and there was a lot of money flying around. I witnessed tens of thousands of fifty pound notes go into the safe comments deleted by moderator. The club also made a fair profit this weekend…I didn’t even claim any expenses.
Later as Littlewoods terminals had still not arrived (even though Willies around the corner had been given a couple), I decided to put 2 blondepoker laptops in the club. These were bought and paid for by blondepoker and the idea was that the rake generated through them would be shared by blondepoker and the Cincinnati club
Sid promised me that he would ensure that they were only used for playing on the blondepoker site.  I returned a week later to find that one was being used by a dealer for downloading limewire films and the other comment deleted by moderator. Blondepoker has never been paid for this laptop even though Tony promised to do so.
This event also taught me that Sid had no real interest in making the club profitable through new technology. He was still under the belief that the club could survive on live rake. If I was to make a profit out of the club I knew that we needed computers.
Every week I turned up and asked for my £25,000 back. Every week I was told ‘don’t worry, you will get your money, no problem’. Tony & Sid continually promised me I would get it. However by the time June had arrived I belatedly admitted to myself that I was comment deleted by moderator. I had done a lot for the club and we had made a lot of progress and I really didn’t want to leave, but I had to put my foot down. I insisted that I wouldn’t come back until I got the £25,000 back.
‘Don’t worry, you’ll get your money’ I was told. I have spoken to Tony once a month since then and still I get the same bullshit.
Just to add insult to injury Tony also managed comment deleted by moderator. Before arriving in Glasgow, Tony told me he had a friend selling a nice riverside apartment for £220,000 even though it was really worth about £240,000. He arranged it and I bought the flat through Scott’s all-in one service (which included a Tony friendly valuation of the flat). I have since had the flat independently valued at £175,000. Make no mistake, Tony Girasoli is a not a man to get involved with, and Sid is not much better. I would not recommend anyone went anywhere near the club.
Believe it or not this is the abridged version, there were all sorts of problems with the way staff were treated, illegal roulette machines, Tony’s son but as you can see, I was left with no choice. I couldn’t possibly continue to support The Cincinnati Club.

 
(Various comments have been removed by moderators in consultation with Dave Colclough. A right of reply will of course be allowed)

Unbelievable stuff and looks like you have seen the last of your £25,000. I am presuming that court action would be a waste of time? Was any of this business agreement actually documented eg contracts drawn up or were you relying on handshakes?

No contracts....errr...we were 'friends'
 ;noflopshomer;

F'kin 'ell dave, with your dealings at the CC club and my dealings with what was the shambles in the Turks n Caicos we should pair up - We'd make a great 'win double'!

totally outrageous. youve seen the last of your money and learned a harsh lesson. sounds like your trying to clear your decks in all areas david. cleasning of the soul is great

onwards and upwards now :)

mad

Good Read. You're clever you....you would make a good poker player.
 ;topman;

Thx for posting this dave.. I didn't really know anything about what happened behind the scenes at the club.

I had an inkling you were robbed in someway Dave but i had no idea it was to that extent, Sorry to hear one of the Lappys got nicked as well.

The real shame is that, if you had been given the reigns properly, you could have made the change and Cincins could have been a GREAT club and not what it has now become.....

You did handle yourself with real class even with all the bile and venom coming your way, I'm not sure i would have done the same if i was in your position.

Truth be told your depature was a huge loss for Cincins and Live poker in Scotland as a whole, dispite what some small mided easily led sheep believe.

No doubt i'll see you at DTD when i make a visit.

very interesting stuff Dave,in fact very shocking.......whatever became of the old u can trust a poker player addage


u held back for long enough methinks

Hell of a story Dave. Not easy to keep focused on poker with all this crap going on in your life. Playing pro poker is hard enough without all this sort of distraction.
I hope you can put it all behind you and get back to what you do best.
Best wishes to you and Rowena for the future.

Thanks for letting people know. Punters dont know whats going on behind the scenes and this information is important. No one wants to support a club where money laundering is going on.

Not one to stir it up Dave but given the revelations will Blonde continue to support The cincinatti Club by allowing them to post up schedules ect and with the free advertising on the home page?

I was not aware there still was a CinCins ad on our Home Page......

If there is, & it is not being paid for, it will be removed, (because only "Paid for" ads go on there) but I can't see it.

Sorry Tony, I should have said in the Live poker tab, My mistake.

If you refer to the Cardroom schedules, there is no ad, but we do list Cincins Tourneys. That is done as much for the benefit of the readers as CinCins, but I hear what you say, & we'll have a pow-wow tomorrow & decide what line to take.The whole situation is quite difficult.

As you can imagine, there is much hubba-bubba backstage right now!

 ;popcorn;

I feel pretty sad after reading that so I can't even imagine how you're feeling Dave, not just beng ripped off and taken for a mug but all that from someone you trusted and considered a friend.

I will spread word to all the Glasgow Poker School members that we are boycotting The Cincinnati Club.

Thay are not eating popcorn but chewing bubble gum apparently.....


But on a serious note, what a unbelievable thing to happen. I cant believe they treated you like that Dave as it is clear to see from the steps you wanted to take that the club would have gone from strength to strength.
Cant wait for this story to unravel even more!
Once again, unlucky Dave.


Lets hope this wont prevent you from carrying out similar ventures in the future, would be nice to see a blondepoker club in wales  ;)

Hi Dave

Its Willie here from The Wabash Club

Interesting Reading

Best Regards

lol

Talk about being fleeced, £5 an hour for dealers isn't that below the minimum wage?

Sorry to read of your experiences Dave, you obviously went into this agreement with all best intentions, and by the sounds of it worked 'bloody hard' to get a 'dead club' up and running (successfully), only to get fleeced by 'friends' unfortunately there are

NO Friends in Business:

I wish you well in the future, and you never know, these people may be shamed into returning your £25K though if it were me i wouldn't hold my breath.

Just be content in the knowledge that you are a better person Dave.

See you next Tuesdays.

Dealt with with utter class, respect.

What happens next Tuesday?

Well I suggested £7 an hour but Tony sugested £5....any guesses who won that conversation?

Hi  Dave,perhaps there is a book in there somewhere. Every cloud has a silver lining movie rights etc.A good screen play writer could really go to town on this so long as it could be embellished a la Sun or Mirror.and of course scant regard to the truth.   Its got everything  Greed Deception Lots of money chuck in a bit of flesh drugs  and money laundering you have all the ingredients of a blockbuster set in Glagow very film Noir. On a more serious note you are not the first nor will you be the last to get screwed when you get involved with the gaming business legal or otherwise.Its that kind of business,and of course the people it attracts. After 35 years in it I have seen deals that beggar belief and people getting screwed for 100ks and yes its happened to me once or twice you just move on to the next opportunity. What goes around comes around as they say. good luck in Dublin.

It was an acronym, which I rather thought had dropped out of use some time ago. If the thread descends to that level, deletions will have to be made.

Try this dave

C  U  Next TuesdayS

Wow - talk about running bad.  Hopefully this latest cleansing will release all the demons and that the saying that "these things come in threes" does not apply here.  All the best with the new start.

NO, from the sounds of it the THIRD thing would be an EPT win, or a win at a Major comp for lots of $$$$$$$

Well it wont be BB4 - too many quality players under the one roof! ;)

Ya Monkey boy, just be glad I wont be there, looks like its your luckey day ;D

To become the best you have to overcome every obstacle they put in your way - be they good, bad or from Florida......

 ;whistle;

maybe next time? ;)

Dave, sorry to hear about all the shit with the club. I've also been lied to by people in this industry who owe me and my company money. So, I know how it feels, and it's not good.

It's really hard to play the game, and run a business successfully, when you are stressing about people taking you for a ride. Unfortunately there are a lot of arseholes in this industry.

Having been bitten once or twice and narrowly avoiding falling foul to a well prepared sting that I'd been specifically targetted for(!) I am now a lot more cautious. Everything I do business-wise that involves money is now contract based, whereas before a man's word was his bond and was good enough for me.

I now have a rule to never, ever lend any money to anyone in the industry, especially fellow players. I've heard so many horror stories - at least 20 different people (no exaggeration...) all telling me the same thing! - about people lending money to a certain professional poker player that it's untrue. It's amazing that some people can continue to operate on the scene with the reputation they have. Though I guess there is always another victim who is unaware of someone's reputation! For that reason I applaud your decision to post what you have. It will save at least a few people from being ripped off.

Finally, having played at the Cincinatti Club myself, I can say I thoroughly enjoyed the experience - especially my comedic interview with Mrs C where I promised to win the whole team event, and ended up in ...errr..... 49th / 49 lol. Good times :)  It's a shame your partners in this venture didn't appreciate what you were trying to do for the club. Idiots.

Good luck with any other ventures - dTd etc.

Thanks for all the kind comments.. sorry that Tuesdays business went straight over my head. :blonde:

well it ended in a compromise coz the dealers got paid £6 an hour

all of these comments could be true.. and then they could be a whole lot of shit

there are 3 sides to every story.....

one guys,
the other guys
and the truth - which is somthing no1 will ever know

surley u can not stop ppl talking about cin cins becoz one of your members has a problm with the owners.

Shareholder....

In the latest copy of the WPT magazine there is a reference to blonde poker underneath a review of the Cincinnati club.

I am fairly sure it is a reference to blonde poker. Unfortunately a chunk of quorn covered in curry sauce landed on the web address and it now reads  www.blon..........com . The missing letters may make up www.blondewhigs.com for all I know.

it won't be happening again


the use of our site address (which we were unaware of) , not you spilling your dinner on the magazine

and Cincins tourneys will remain in the schedules, cincins people can still post on the forum etc. If they wish.

elblondie is a shareholder in blonde, but any dispute is with him not blonde as a business.

Easy solution, sell the debt for £10k, you'd be amazed how persuasive folks can be when they stand to make a quick £15k profit :D

 ;snoopy'sguns; ;nemesis; ;snoopy'sguns;

BTW it should be rewritten cuz it looks crap with all the censoring.

ill collect for 10k ;nemesis;

Its all yours  ;scarymoment;

Not even worth the reply i had originally typed John, everyone knows where your allegiances lie.

Everybody is talking about this ! You should have waited and done the story in the News of the World. You would have got your money back and a profit ! And still told your story.  ......    maybe it's not too late (he he)......  Shame Paul Carnegie was treated like that, you made a good appointment taking him there too.But having a dealer working 10 hrs is a joke, how many bad beats could a person listen to in 10hrs ?  I think i'll be putting a dealer on Roberts table alot more now when he comes in to play !

Yes I must admit I feel that Paul leaving was a critical mistake. I can't really comment though because I still dont know the facts around the problems between Paul & Sid. Sadly for me it was impossible to defend Paul's corner as I was only there 2 or 3 days in 7.
The point was Paul was the 'Cardroom Manager' so theoretically responsible for getting to the bottom of problems like the ones we had at the time. This may have been an impossible task though.
It was a very sad situation and I regret the fact paul had to leave. He had his heart set on the club and with him I may have eventually kept the required control on the clubs affairs before they nose dived.
Co-incidently I have just bumped into him for the first time since, here in Dublin.

and that is meant to mean what exactly?
my "allegiances" dont lie with anyone. altho when my father runs the tournmanents then yes my "allegiances" may lie more on there side.

however this is not about sides.. this is between elblondie and the cin cin owners. noboday should be taking sides. altho it looks like you have

Yes My allegience lies with good poker for the Glasgow market!!  Which was something we would have had a chance at if elblondie had a chance to run the porker room properly!

As for what it means John, try working it out.

billy your allegiance lies with yourself. the same as mine lies with myself.

I am simply saying you cant stop ppl talking about the club they play in because a member or shareholder has  a problem with the owner. Its not there fault.

TIkay/tightend. thanks for allowing us to continue to post

Yes I certainly see the problems with the owners playing in their own club (and officially I am still a one third owner) and your points are very valid.
However, I played in the club to promote the club. A lot of players wanted to play with me and hopefull enjoyed playing me. I felt it was part of promoting the club. As you say that does cause a few problems as well though.
I fact Sid bemoans the fact that I stopped playing and uses that as the excuse for the failure of the club, or so I believe.

In an earlier comment it was also mentioned the facts outlined at the start were my point of view and not that of the owners. That may not be a true statement. So far to date, Tony & Sid have never denied owing me the £25,000. they just keep saying 'you will get it'. generally speaking they wold not disagree with any of the facts outlined in the original post.

yeah it was cool to tell my mates that i had sat at the same table as you and WSOP braclet winner brian wilson even if it was only a £20 rebuy.

if you were to get ur money back would we see you back playing at cincins or is it past that stage for you now?

Everybody here has heard one side of a story and some are quite quick to react and feel sorry for Dave Colclough.

Some Facts

Dave lost interest very quickly(2 weeks) in the club,and then started to show up whenever there was an Omaha cash game,once or twice a week.FACT.

Dave employed two members of staff, Paul and Graham who were both sacked for reasons ( but they both know as does Dave,who himself agreed).FACT.

Dave organised 3 events at the club,but only showed up for 2.FACT.

Dave organised for the guaranteed prize pools for certain tournaments,in which Littlewoods would cover the short fall.FACT.

The club lost nearly £10K in shortfall (which was paid by one owner Sid Iannu,out of his own pocket) because Dave broke the contract with Littlewoods.
Nearly £5000 was added alone to £100 Re-buy(£10K Guaranteed) which was held on a Sat evening and also clashed with another event.FACT.

Newmanseye has a big mouth and likes to get his bit in,especially since he's been barred from the club.FACT.

Dave made a check payable to a so called friend of his,absolutely nothing to do with the club.The club never recieved a penny from Dave or his friend (£25K that everyone is moaning about)in the time he was here.FACT.

Dave get a life and sort out your personal shit elsewhere.

I play in Cincinnatis every night,and it might have taken a while,but the club seems to be running better than ever.

If you got done for your money in dodgy business deal and buying a house,hopefully you will learn from your mistakes,and I would advise drawing up of a contract before you part with substantial amounts of money.Any good business man knows that.

You were once respected at the Cincinnati Club,but now people here think you are an arsehole.FACT.

This is not a FACT. There is no truth in this statement. If I wasn't being ripped off I would still be there today.

This is not a FACT. I did not employ Graham.
I employed Paul and Tank only

This is not a fact.
a) they didnt lose that money
b) the money that was lost was due to the laziness in not promoting the competitions when i wasnt prepared to do all the work
c) I have never broke any contract with Littlewoods or anyone else for hat matter

this post looks like a load of made-up gobbledegook

This is not a FACT either. The individual, Tony Girasoli was an owner of the club and the premises. A FACT conveniently forgotten. And how on earth would you know what the agreed deal was?

Arsehole or not. The FACTs and truth are as stated. If Sid & Tony can't handle the truth then that's their problem.
Wanna try making something slightly more believeable up ?

Seems a lot of MickeyMouse stuff to me.  ;)

So is Tony still connected to the club?

Wow, looks like damon created an alias, I could be wrong but its doubtful.

As for getting my bit in, I honestly dont care FACT!!

you obviously did care at some stage

I dont deny I did care at one point.

so youre rebuttal means what?

Cant you work that out?

if not i will be happy to explain.

please do

Happy to, PM sent.

OK both sides have now put across their view and the Cincins post will be left alone for fairness' sake.

From here on in, by all means debate but we will mod any flaming language such as "arsehole" on future posts

I dont think its Damon, he;s apparently playing the £100 in cincins right now.  Sounds like one of the regular cash game players who probs plays the omaha game.

Just out of interest, who are you Iceman?

im a member of the forum. and you are?

Hi

If someone is kidding on to be me,I hope they are good looking.
Not interested in getting involved in this soap opera...Newmanseye.You should know that if I have something to say I won't hide.  (Flame removed)

Cheers

Damon the real Damon

Gonna go and win this £100 F/O now
p.s good reading though

Reciprocated in kind Mic  Damon.

This is all a bit sad really.

I once thought Cincinnattis would bring poker players ( especially the Glasgow ones )
together.
However, it seems to have driven them apart ,which can only be a bad thing
for poker in the area.

 :'( :'( :'(

 Td Th

dont fret, the rest of us can remain friends........

Guys, it's a great debate, & we want to keep it going, so let's ease up on the expletives please.

We have - unusually for us - Edited two recent Posts ( & indeed two earlier) on the Thread, because we want this debate to continue.

But it needs to be civil, not calling each other "effing idiots". If that's the way you wish to debate it, do it elsewhere please.

Thanks.

Apologies Tikay

Damon

Personally i would flat call the re-raise on the flop and go for a check raise on the turn.......

still beats the riverboat for poker


and i challenge anyone to not agree with that statement

i dont agree

If only you had more stars next to your name or someone had seen you play a game of cards on t.v you'd have got ten sycophantic responses in an hour, people would have been tripping over their USB cables to tell you who they were.

Iceman cordially answers the obtuse question put to him by Bobba fett but receives no reply( standard really for an internet forum).

He answered you bobba fett, why didn't you answer him?

We had a PM-athon but for anyone who was wondering....Hi, Im Boba Fett and Im a member of this forum too  :)

Then you have my unequivocal apologies for implying you'd been in anyway impertinant by not responding.

Also USB cables are often featured behind and to the the side of the average desk top so i should have said keyboard or mouse wire.

instapush

Not as goodlooking,but definitely a better poker player  ;D haha But then Im not trying to be you,Newmanseye seems to think everyone is as sneaky and manipulative as himself  >:?

Agree 100%,good poker and a good laugh.Dont see what one guys issues with someone has anything to do with playing poker.Even if I believed and sympathised with him (which I dont),it wouldnt stop me going to the club and playing poker,doesnt make any sense.Unless I was barred of course!!  ;cupcake;

i agree 100 percent.

even if what dave is saying is true. (which i am not saying isnt or is) what has his finaical problems with the owners got to do with the players playing the tournaments and how they are run

I am sorry to read about what happened to you Dave, you have learned a lot but at a terrible price.  Good poker player, bad businessman by he looks of it.  That's not a knock just an observation.  Far too trusting.

I think it is a great shame as Cincins could be a great poker room and Glasgow is crying out for a great poker room.  My experience of the place was friendly people, not a good turnout and bloody freezing.  So much potential there.

Dan Dan, good to hear from you! How are you & yours?

We are fine thank you, playing in the APAT next weekend.  I am that is, Ed is railing this time.  I'm getting nervous.

Finally won an online tourney a couple of months ago, won my 2nd the next night.  :)

How are you?  SkyPoker going well?

See you in Edinburgh!

Yup, Sky Poker going great, is tremendous fun, I enjoy it hugely, & I return to Poker Night Live tomorrow in a regular Presenters role, which I'm greatly looking forward to. And APAT Edinburgh will be covered by a new Poker TV magazine show, to be aired on Sky Sports amongst others, details of which are to follow, & for which I am the so-called pundit.

Let's have a drink in Edinburgh!

I'll see you there then, I saw in the itinerary that Sky were going to be there covering it, I'll be keeping a low profile there  ;whistle;   Just going to go and enjoy the day, don't expect to get too far but you never know.

Worst fear....doing a Jennifer Tilly Donk play.  rotflmfao

I'm a MOD on my forum these days so kept busy there, surprising as they are such a bunch of anti-female blokes over there I never thought it would happen.  Whipping them into shape now. ;)

Way to go Girl!

And I got banned from the other forum. rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao So watch out, I'm trouble.

TIkay last time I watched Skypoker (sometime last week), also the first time really enjoyed it btw, good question that about the Gardeners...er...thingy :P, it said it was ur last show? Am I a) deaf b)poor at picking up on "in" jokes or c) correct.?

Yup, Sky Poker going great, is tremendous fun, I enjoy it hugely, & I return to Poker Night Live tomorrow in a regular Presenters role, which I'm greatly looking forward to. And APAT Edinburgh will be covered by a new Poker TV magazine show, to be aired on Sky Sports amongst others, details of which are to follow, & for which I am the so-called pundit.

Let's have a drink in Edinburgh!
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I am confused with the schedule on PNL at the moment with a mix of Pokerwiz 3d, and repeats. Are they going  back to a normal schedule now?

No, I said it would be my last show if I kept rambling on about such as Gardeners Question Time.....bizarrely, I did an on-the spot Gardeners Question Time Quiz & we got over a 100 e-Mailed replies within 5 minutes! I'm afraid you will have to put up with me a little longer on Sky Poker, as they have just renewed my contract. When will they ever learn? I have 3 or 4 more Sky Poker shows to do this month, mostly all bunched together towards the end of the Month.

I am confused with the schedule on PNL at the moment with a mix of Pokerwiz 3d, and repeats. Are they going  back to a normal schedule now?
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It's still 3 days a week right now, but normal 7 day studio-based scheduling resumes very soon.

Fantastic you were on good form that night. Worked well with the other guy too.

Thank you.

Now, back to CinCins.....

Dan dan,whens the last time you were in cin cins? Im a regular,and can say the place is not only a great poker room,but gets a decent turnout every night.Heating is up and down but everything cant be perfect.

cant make it tonight ony its a 4+ hour drive away

It was back in February not November and it was a Sat night and there was 16 of us.  I finished in the money. 

Don't get me wrong everyone there was really nice but I think it could be so much better.  I haven't been back because I like freezeouts and there aren't many to suit my beginners pocket.

I remember you,how you doing?

Sat isnt the best night to be honest,although we got 25 last night,over a grand in the prize money.
Sunday is the best freezeout night,£30...30 to 40 players.
Thursday and fri are now freezeouts too. £40 & £30...head in one night

cya soon

You remember me? Yeh I suppose there won't be too many women visit.  Every time I think it's a freezeout it's not.

 Did you win one night against a cheeky, drunk guy at about 3am on a Tues or Wed night?  Ed, my hubby is asking as he was there with said drunk bloke Steph.

I dont think it was me.

cya soon

You remember me? Yeh I suppose there won't be too many women visit.  Every time I think it's a freezeout it's not.

 Did you win one night against a cheeky, drunk guy at about 3am on a Tues or Wed night?  Ed, my hubby is asking as he was there with said drunk bloke Steph.
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Dan Dan

it definetley wasn't john who won,I know because he's never even made the money in two years at the club.He just needs patience

I remember now when I was there, it was Sat 16th December, split the difference.  We had a friend up from Newcastle who had won tickets to the old firm game the next day on Celtic poker.

If you were there John which table did you start on?  You weren't the reload fiend on my table were you? :) Only 16 of us so just 2 tables.

did u get 3rd that night? if so I think i played with you. I was the canadian guy wearing a hoodie. I think I won that night.

Dan Dan

it definetley wasn't john who won,I know because he's never even made the money in two years at the club.He just needs patience
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lol damon, ive been in the money more this month than you.
you must have left last night before we done a 3 way deal

That night it was the Indian guy next to me,who only wanted to pay cash that won, well he had all the chips but was bored so I think he took a slighly bigger cut of the cash and the other 3 of us split the rest.  I was short stack at that time so i was delighted to leave with £70 :)

The Indian guy is called Zaffa. Good solid player. I used to play snooker against him 20 years ago in the Coral club in Shawlands for £50.00 a frame.

Nice guy, bumped in to him for the first time since when I started to go into cincins about 4 months ago.

Dougie.

Dan Dan

it definetley wasn't john who won,I know because he's never even made the money in two years at the club.He just needs patience
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How u doing KID!!!!! Oh nelllyyyyy!!!!!!

All I can say is that I thought the club was great and its to bad everyone did not get along, its just a sad day when people dont agree

Hello Mr Rookie Wilson

Don't worry about the negative comments on the forum.
The ones who moan about the club,don't come anyway,and the ones who like the club,still do.

Still the friendliest club around.

Question is,when are you coming fo a wee game and a couple of cases of Bud.

Damon

Doh, surely that is the point, the ones that moan don't come, often enough cos it could be better.  Take it on board.

wont be on that side till after the WSOP

Being only a modest club with 3000 members,it is an impossibility to keep everybody happy..i.e. take the heating,some people like it hot,then some prefer it that little bit cooler.

What do you do?

The silence from 'Tony and Sid' is deafening which I guess can only mean one thing. Dave I'm surprised you've not had more support on this thread, particualrly from people who know you personally. If you are sure you aren't going to see the money by asking for it politely then maybe it's worth looking into paying someone to collect it.....

3000 members , average 20 regulars , what does that say ?

some nights are busier than others?

I dont understand why this is degenerating into a slaggin match.

I've been to the cincinatis club but i'm not a regular. Their structures and buy-ins dont suit my style of game but any time i've gone, i've found the people and venue excellent. The games on offer is not to my taste, but there is no reason to criticise them for that - I simply no longer go. Personally i think that clubs have got to market themselves to appeal to the new internet players and i dont think Cins range of games does that (only in my opinion). With Wabash just round the corner offering a different range of games, people in Glasgow have options when it comes to poker. Just choose the game that you prefer. As for heating, smoking, etc, like Damon says, you cant please everyone. These things, for me anyway, are minor issues that i'm willing to put up with to get a 'good' game of poker. If I felt Damon was running the club into the ground, thats up to him and management to sort out. I would simply stop going and let them carry on - not get into a argument with them over a public forum. If they asked why i'd stop going, i'd tell them. It's their club, not mine.

I sympathise with Dave regarding the money but as in the case of Ivey/Ram, i dont have all the details and even if I did, i'm sure there is still a large area of grey. I hope it gets sorted out for both parties.

WHAT?

did you not read the first post?

It STARTED as a slaggin match

It started off as a slaggin of the current owners of the club. It then became a slaggin of the product provided by the club. I think it should be possible to distinguish between these two things. Unfortunately, things go on behind the scenes at hundreds of companies but it doesnt stop any of us using that companies products if we so desire - if we believe we are going to benefit from purchasing that product. 

The purpose of this thread was to highlight the stuff going on at the club behind the scenes - not to criticise the poker side of the club. I think the two things sould be kept seperate. Otherwise it just detracts from Dave's orignal post.

I think a forum is a great place to air one's views. If a person/club dont like that tough shit, either ignore it or prove them wrong.

Its just getting a bit tit-for-tat is it not. Hardly very constructive criticism or responese?

 im not criticising or slagging anyone , im a member of the club and used to go weekly , i havent been for months.

 and that is for pretty much the same reason as you , i do not like the games they put on , and i also dont like the atmosphere , contrary to what other people say , i cant agree everyone in the club is friendly , and ive also witnessed cheating at my table.

 the wabash used to be a crapshoot bingo fest pot limit rebuy every night , now they have their structures , range of games sorted , the service and atmosphere is second to none .

 the wabash is the same as cin cins , they have a core of regulars but arent as busy as they should be , of course you cant please all the people all of the time , but you should at least listen to members and at least try to appear to be making an effort to change things for the better.

 i was just pointing out , with 3000 members , the main cardoom in one of the liveliest citys in Britain should be averaging more than 2-3 tables a night

 i also think if dave was given a real chance , the club would be in far better shape right now.

I couldnt agree more with you. I think it is strange that between the Wabash, Cins and the riverboat, there are about 100 people each night in Glasgow playin live (obviously not including home games). There is a huge market out there that really shoud be tapped into and I agree that if Dave had been given full control, it is likely that Cins at least would be getting more than 30 people in their door most nights.

 if u agree with me , why come on and quote one of my posts as a degeneration into a slagging match ?

 i never slagged anyone , now you say you agree with me ?

 think about your posts in future and you wont contradict yourself.

I can agree with what you say without agreeing with how you put it, can I not?

And I quoted many comments, not just your own. How do you know I was targeting yours?

I too am a member but rarely go.

I don't like the tournament structures (too much focus on rebuys and not enough freezeouts for my liking)

And the start times infuriate me. They always seem to be waiting for more people to turn up before they start and as a result people know the tourneys don't start on time so they turn up even later.

I've attempted to express my opinion once before on the structures but was 'shot down' as I wasn't regular enough for my opinion to matter.

I agree that members should be heard and last year when I run some of the tournaments,there was no shortage of advice.
It is all well coming and saying dae this,dae that,but as I said in my previous reply,it is an impossibility to please all members.
All the venues in Glasgow do it their own way.which is fair enough and probably better for the Glasgow poker player.They go where it suits them. Many who play in the Casinos,like the unlimited rebuys(1500). Cincinnatis has also tried the unlimited rebuys,which didn't go to well with the members(understandable).
The players at Cincinnatis want to to have a game of poker and I think John has done a great job with the tournaments and league.
It also proves the fact there have been so many changes in the past,the club has tried to accomodate as many ideas from its members as possible.
I do think that John has been the right choice for the running of tournaments and league.The best to date.
The present schedule with four Freezeouts a week and the other three days have Limited Rebuys. The tournaments on offer give the players a chance to play poker unlike in the Casinos,but that doesn't mean that one of the venues is wrong...simply different.
I would also say that the better poker player plays in Cincinnatis (a large %) and the gamblers play in Casinos.

Wow, 4 freezeouts a week now. I take back what I said about the structures in that case, sorry.

And an extremely nice guy as well. (edit. not in gay boy sense for any gay lords reading)

Dougie.

So if someone accused me of doing something, it is up to me to prove them wrong?

That's nonsense.

It's up to the person making the allegations to prove it. The person being accussed doesn't have to say or do anything

listen ,some one said it started of as a slanging match .WRONG .
it was about a poker club to which some one had bought a share in ,for 25 k .
with the promise of the 25k being available to upgrade the club .
this never happened as was promised ,plus the sale of some house .
so all mr DC was explaining was why he has cut all ties with the club .
so all you lot what are saying this and that about poker in scotland (and having a dig at him at the same time )
dont realise you lot have lost one man who could have brought better games to cincins ,through noledge and advertising .
still if your happy to play tournys with 30/ 40 players thats your clubs fault .
i know if i played in scotland i would deffinatly not play there again .
why would you want to when the play some where whats not keeping up with the times .

             thx barry .

knowledge lol

" i know if played in scotland i would deff not play there again" why cos DC lost money? this is what i dont get - i dont know DC personally ive sat at a table with him once or twice and i only know the owners to say hi too , but what has the problems between them got to do with a local player like me? ...nothing , so i dont really see why i should stop playing there. if DC has lost money thats pretty shit and he would probaly brought something th the club given time but to stop playing there myself doesnt make sence to me.

whats the other options- play at the riverboat where collsion is rife and all sorts of teams working? i dont think so

what do u mean by not keeping up with the times?

dave said he wanted to upgrade the club ,had littlewoods putting computers in .
this would then bring in rake which would then be forwarded on to the players (freeroles ect ).
better facilaties ,better bigger feilds ,you must admit if you have got a chance to play on the same table as some one as daves colibre ,you would turn up to give it a shot .thats what is now missing .


                                   barry

'ignore it' or 'prove them wrong'.  Friends of the accused coming on with half backed stories only make it look worse, I think thou protests too much m'lord seems apt.

If someone misrepresents a situation (pure lies) then they should express their side of the story or ignore it.

Just like the law they have to accept it or prove it is a lie, I was only stating the law. If you agree with it or not thats irrelevant.

yeh right carry on ,im not getting in to no slanging match obviosley youv got some thing to do with the club gl to you .
this is a forum where people have there say , youv said yours all along .
but if i was up in scotland i would nt venture into that club .
as for being a close friend of dc,sticking up for him utter b.....x .
dave has proved that he doesnt need people like you or your club .
hes survived long before you lot came along . END OV

                                                                          barry

u still didnt answer any of my questions- if you have a quick look on the live poker board and look at the cincin page u will see the games there and i think ull find theres no comparison to where you play live and cincins for the buyin -structure -amount of chips  you get for ur money etc. ive already said with DCs proflie in the game it would have added something to the club but hes not here now so what do we do-stop playing there?

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

 ::) ok forget it..lol

OK, here is the deal.

The fact that Dave Colcough is not involved takes away any opportunity that The poker club will ever be anything special!!!!!!!

I was at the club and thought it had great potential, and when I was there the staff was great ( Sid, Damon, etc)

The reason Dave posted, in my opinion, was to clear the air and lift the "bad memories" from his mind.

Dave is a good friend but at the end of the day u don't turn a " European hall of fame" poker player away by not coming through w/ what u promise. I don't want to hear there are 2 sides, I was around Dave and speaking to him a lot when this deal started and he was very excited about it. Could u ever imagine Devilfish, Surindar, or any other "hall of fame" player putting that much time and money into running a "small" poker room.

Final point!   ;grr; ;ifm;       Dave trusted people, a few did him wrong, it is impossible to replace what Dave was willing to do for them, and the owners that broke those commitments to Dave and the club are the ones that should answer the questions about the lack of success in the club.

Not trying to knock anyone, just trying to state my thoughts on the subject.

cambo theres no point in trying to tell these ppl.

half of them have never been in cin cins. but along with the ppl that have they dont understand what DCs problems with Tony C and sid has to do with us

Just to give my tuppence worth
a) I am not advocating that anyone boycotts the club. If you want to play there, good luck to you. I couldn't care less and I certainly dont hold it against anyone.
b) The primary reason for the post was to explain the reason why I was forced to leave the Club. A lot of people felt i had 'deserted the club'. I wanted to point out that wasn't the case. At the time, I wanted to make the club a success but obviously couldn't do so if I couldn't trust the other partners. I feel i was forced away from the club and it was only fair to myself to air all the facts. I don't think anyone person who has posted on this thread would have continued to work for free, not claim expenses, promote the club, try and organise deals etc, if they were in my situation.
c) Before this thread, no-one knew the reasons for my departure. Surely everyone appreciates being told what went on, even if it was from my point of view.

Personally I am now done with this thread. You have the facts. I've justified my departure and I'm done with it.

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 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Sorry I misread your post.

I thought you were saying that someone could accuse you of something and if you don't prove them wrong you must be guilty.

I realise that is not what you meant.

I don't know what the story is behind all this. I do not know either party involved so I have no reason to believe or dis-believe this story.

I was just making a general point about accussations on messageboards after I (mis) read your post.

thats poor crack damon... i thought i did splended in my numours caretakers roles over the last few months. inbetween burley, ivanoukus rix and duffy leaving...

regards
john mcglynn

Don't take it wrong way big yin.

You done a grand job as caretaker TD in between all the in betweens, but it was never going to be permanent,as you have other commitments...by the way how is the paper round?

See you tonight for the £40 DC

i'll keep playing there......always liked it,probably always will....

met a whole bunch of characters...good ,bad and ugly...even seen DC there once ( I was well starstruck )

who could have foretold that all those years ago when watching late night poker..when the only action I had was 3 card brag on a friday night ( I didnt even know there were poker clubs )...I would be playing cards in the same room as him

now if only i could get some money from the buggering place,that would be the icing on the cake.......lol

i may be -ev from the place but im + in the fun/entertainment factor

getting there.... theyve gave me 2 rounds now