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Title: Pool Rules Post by: JungleCat03 on April 08, 2007, 01:50:11 AM Right now.
I like a game of pool but pretty much every time I go out to play, there is some sort of argument over what rules to play. I want those of you who play pool to give me your version of the following rules so we can come to some sort of concensus that will prevent these rucks occurring. We're talking common or garden 15 ball, 7 spot/ 7 stripe pool. These seem to be the contentious rules.... 1) Potting the black off the break means you win the game. 2) You pot two balls of different "suits" off the break, you decide whether you are spots or stripes by nominating one or the other, irrespective of whether you go on to pot one, and this stands. 3) After a foul you must play the white from where it stops or if potted place the white behind the line(ie you cant pick the ball up and move it a la 9 ball pool rules). You also have two shots (although see later rule *) 4) If the ball is potted/leaves the table and you have to place it on the table behind the line, you have two shots and you can shoot in any direction (ie no ban on shooting backwards) 5)* If you have two shots, and keep a shot in hand up to the black you can use the shot in hand on the black. If however you are on the black and your opponent fouls you only get one shot (a rule which seems to have about 50 versions depending on where you are in the country) 6) Coughing loudly on key shots (usually the black) is not permitted and punishable by being left out of the next round. Thanks in advance for any comments. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: JungleCat03 on April 08, 2007, 01:51:01 AM PS Im fully expecting Kev to reply saying "No Heavy Petting"
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: Ironside on April 08, 2007, 01:55:53 AM i used to be the match sec of local league
you do knowe tehre are 3 offical set of rules in uk and countless number of local rules Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2007, 02:01:02 AM Trouble is Rod, there are several Versions of the Rules.
Easier if you stick to County Rules - they are widely recognised, although these change all the time. From a few years back playing county rules : 1) No, it is a re rack and the other person gets to break 2) No, you have to pot your chosen colour. If you nominate then miss, it is an open table. It is the "first legal ball potted" than nominates your colour 3) True, although you get a "free" ball (ie you can hit or pot your opponents ball) if you cannot hit at least half of one of your balls directly 4) True 5) 2 shots carry to the black also 2 shots if just the black left and you foul. 6) ?? Like I siad though, these were county rules from a couple of years back Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2007, 02:03:42 AM Official World Pool Rules can be found here :
http://www.epa.org.uk/wrules.php Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: KingPoker on April 08, 2007, 02:04:19 AM 1) yes potting black off break wins game
2) Yes you get to nominate which ever one you want irrespective of missing the next shot on it. 3) agreed 4) This is where we differ, in my area if the ball you are trying to pot leaves table we put said ball down pocket and award opponent 2 shots. 5)This again is slightly different. If you are both on the black then a foul does not result in 2 shots. If one person is on the black and the other has balls left to pot then 2 shots will be awarded. 6) Slightly less strict on this with us but is a bit more focused on etiquette than in the rules. It is obviously seen as bad form and not something anybody i know would do. More strict on stuff like the opponent having his hand on the table (obviously not felt, the outer part) as the other is playing a shot. Edit- also we dont carry 2 shots, thought that was old school rules now. You obviously get a free ball 1st time but if you pot a ball, you dont get another free ball then. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2007, 02:07:13 AM King Poker, you may want to read the link i posted above, as you seem to have no idea about Pool rules! lol
With refernece to point one, it now seems that it is just a re rack and the same player breaks again - how bizare! Always used to be the "other" player got to break. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: KingPoker on April 08, 2007, 02:09:47 AM King Poker, you may want to read the link i posted above, as you seem to have no idea about Pool rules! lol With refernece to point one, it now seems that it is just a re rack and the same player breaks again - how bizare! Always used to be the "other" player got to break. I do conceed to rule 1, that was more pub rules than league rules coz it never came up when i played in the league but the other ones are the official rules we used to have to comply to in the pool leagues in wales (insert comment about everything being backwards in wales). Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2007, 02:12:11 AM Jesus!
Just had a quick look at those rules, BOY have they changed. It now seems that if 2 balls are potted, and you nominate, then that IS your colour irrespective of if you pot one or not on the next shot. Another Rule that seems to be in tact, and causes alot of confusion is : You break, and pot a yellow, then announce to take "reds" before your next shot you then are playing reds, AS LONG AS YOU POT A RED ON YOUR NEXT SHOT - totally acceptable. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: KingPoker on April 08, 2007, 02:16:04 AM Yeh that one cause a lot of "debate" when the old timers play you!
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2007, 02:18:08 AM King, seems 2 shots DO carry over still.
I can remember when the "legal shot" came in, ie where you had to either pot a ball, or make a ball strike a cushion after hitting your object ball - GREAT rule and I am glad it still applies. Stopped all that "tap up" behind your ball shit. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: KingPoker on April 08, 2007, 02:27:29 AM King, seems 2 shots DO carry over still. I can remember when the "legal shot" came in, ie where you had to either pot a ball, or make a ball strike a cushion after hitting your object ball - GREAT rule and I am glad it still applies. Stopped all that "tap up" behind your ball shit. I gotta be honest thought i hate the carry rule. I was so glad when everyone stopped using it. Not going to be too forthcoming about telling everyone about this when i play next lol Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: ifm on April 08, 2007, 02:41:16 AM Right now. I like a game of pool but pretty much every time I go out to play, there is some sort of argument over what rules to play. I want those of you who play pool to give me your version of the following rules so we can come to some sort of concensus that will prevent these rucks occurring. We're talking common or garden 15 ball, 7 spot/ 7 stripe pool. These seem to be the contentious rules.... 1) Potting the black off the break means you win the game. Rerack 2) You pot two balls of different "suits" off the break, you decide whether you are spots or stripes by nominating one or the other, irrespective of whether you go on to pot one, and this stands. First ball potted as you don't nominate because it is still a free table. 3) After a foul you must play the white from where it stops or if potted place the white behind the line(ie you cant pick the ball up and move it a la 9 ball pool rules). You also have two shots (although see later rule *) You can play it from where it is or move it behind the line 4) If the ball is potted/leaves the table and you have to place it on the table behind the line, you have two shots and you can shoot in any direction (ie no ban on shooting backwards) Anyway you want 5)* If you have two shots, and keep a shot in hand up to the black you can use the shot in hand on the black. If however you are on the black and your opponent fouls you only get one shot (a rule which seems to have about 50 versions depending on where you are in the country) 2 shots for all fouls regardless of object ball 6) Coughing loudly on key shots (usually the black) is not permitted and punishable by being left out of the next round. Thanks in advance for any comments. I play in a local league and these are the rules we/they play to. Some bizarre ones to add:- When on the black the pocket must be nominated EVEN if you are not trying to pot it, foul is called otherwise. If you have 2 shots and want to move the white behind the line you must not do it yourself, the ref has to. No coaching once the table has been touched (no talking to team mates after you touch the table) Deliberate foul loses the game (sensible that one) No legal shot is a rerack (if you can't physically hit the object ball, say it's completely blocked off) Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: JungleCat03 on April 08, 2007, 02:44:29 AM rotflmfao rotflmfao
Should have known we were all going to disagree! Seems like pool is worse than poker for standardised rules. King, seems 2 shots DO carry over still. I can remember when the "legal shot" came in, ie where you had to either pot a ball, or make a ball strike a cushion after hitting your object ball - GREAT rule and I am glad it still applies. Stopped all that "tap up" behind your ball shit. WHAT NOW???!!! As an ex snooker player I love laying the odd crafty snooker on peeps. Now you're saying it's illegal. TBH it's prob not too bad a rule as open attacking games are always preferable to defensive games in pool. I like the idea if you pot the black off the break you win the frame. It happens so rarely that it's jsut a laugh rule really! Sorry but you can quote all the rules you like at me but you start coughing shit like "coughcoughmisscough" as I'm taking my shot and there's no way Im getting you a pint. So rule 6 HAS to stay im afraid! Thanks for the comments and links lads... . Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: happybhoy on April 08, 2007, 08:26:33 AM We always played 2 shots don't carry and 1 shot on the black. Played a lot of pool back in the day. Maybe we should have a wee pool tourney at the blonde bash
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: vegaslover on April 08, 2007, 08:45:42 AM . Easier if you stick to County Rules - they are widely recognised, although these change all the time. Trouble is there are various 'county' set ups to suit the different rule and governing body sets. From recall there are: 'old' EPA rules World rules - now used by the EPA Fed or BAPTO rules Blackball rules. So many politics around pool, why I never bother playing anymore. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: ACE2M on April 08, 2007, 11:33:10 AM Official World Pool Rules can be found here : http://www.epa.org.uk/wrules.php these are the proper rules. They are used in all proffesional tournaments and any other league or competition worth it's salt. They were designed to make games, quicker and more enjoyable and more attacking (no more trickling up behind balls for snookers). any other rules are now outdated and but seeing as the changes make the game quite radically different their take up by the general pub playing public is very slow indeed. If you can be arsed to learn them and then teach the players you usually play against your enjoyment of the game will increase ten fold. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: MKKfish on April 08, 2007, 11:41:33 AM Panth... if you are talking Ealing area ifm's reply stands for gay pubs such as the 'Queen Vic' and any that have a 'Green' just outside...however if you are venturing towards Hanwell, Greenford, Northolt area then wotever rules the tattoo'ed knuckles locals want to play usually stand.
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: ACE2M on April 08, 2007, 11:51:08 AM Panth... if you are talking Ealing area ifm's reply stands for gay pubs such as the 'Queen Vic' and any that have a 'Green' just outside...however if you are venturing towards Hanwell, Greenford, Northolt area then wotever rules the tattoo'ed knuckles locals want to play usually stand. lol. fully agree with that. i've played in some scary games in my younger days as a part time hustler, ask them their rules and beat em with that. And don't pull off some insane full length swerve shot in a big money game after playing like a twat for the last 8 frames or so, they don't appreciate that. Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: bigalhx1 on April 08, 2007, 11:59:58 AM number 1 is rerack to the same player who broke
number 2 is that wot ever suite you nominate you stay if you pot the next ball or not but if you pot 1 ball of the break IE a red of the break you can decide to go for yellows but if you miss a yellow it is a open table number 3 you can not move the white ball if you can hit both sides of of one of your balls this must be of the thinest of contacts and if one of your owen balls is obstructing you seeing both sides then you can not move the white number 4 yes 2 shots and whit behind the line shoot where ever you want number 5 yes 2 shots on the black number 6 not sure but i know you cant cough on who wants to be a millionaire and keep you money Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: AdamM on April 08, 2007, 01:39:12 PM been a while since I played in the league but the rules as they currently stand in Lincs area leagues are;
1) rerack, foull break so passes to other player 2) currently any break that results in a legal pot is followed by a nomination which may be any colour. this reduces the eliment of chance in the break apparently 3) cue ball in hand anywhere behind the line. 4) If the ball is potted/leaves the table and you have to place it on the table behind the line, you have two shots and you can shoot in any direction (ie no ban on shooting backwards) yep spot on. 5)* two shots is two shots is two shots. 6) Coughing loudly on key shots (usually the black) is not permitted and punishable by Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on April 08, 2007, 09:40:42 PM We always played 2 shots don't carry and 1 shot on the black. Played a lot of pool back in the day. Maybe we should have a wee pool tourney at the blonde bash the itb boys are up for this and will play for however much a man any team wants to play lol Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2007, 09:44:10 PM We always played 2 shots don't carry and 1 shot on the black. Played a lot of pool back in the day. Maybe we should have a wee pool tourney at the blonde bash the itb boys are up for this and will play for however much a man any team wants to play lol Hmmmmmm Interesting........................ PS I never played for County,,, honest ;) Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on April 08, 2007, 09:53:20 PM We always played 2 shots don't carry and 1 shot on the black. Played a lot of pool back in the day. Maybe we should have a wee pool tourney at the blonde bash the itb boys are up for this and will play for however much a man any team wants to play lol Hmmmmmm Interesting........................ PS I never played for County,,, honest ;) im sure i could get you a game paul if you fancy it? il even get lightbreeze to wear his england waistcoat if you like. check out the england team on the epa website his names paul cox lol Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 09, 2007, 12:58:05 AM We always played 2 shots don't carry and 1 shot on the black. Played a lot of pool back in the day. Maybe we should have a wee pool tourney at the blonde bash the itb boys are up for this and will play for however much a man any team wants to play lol Hmmmmmm Interesting........................ PS I never played for County,,, honest ;) im sure i could get you a game paul if you fancy it? il even get lightbreeze to wear his england waistcoat if you like. check out the england team on the epa website his names paul cox lol ;hide; ;hide; ;hide; Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: turny on April 09, 2007, 02:12:40 PM anyone up for a game against the 6 itb players attending the bash??
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: 4KingNutz on April 09, 2007, 03:27:36 PM hell yer
and if you pot the black off the break and no other balls that is considerd a win. 4h Kh Nutzzzz Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: KingPoker on April 09, 2007, 03:42:28 PM yeh up for that definately.
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: happybhoy on April 09, 2007, 06:15:57 PM It's been a while but I'm defo up for a game
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: bigalhx1 on April 09, 2007, 06:35:58 PM some people are still struggling with the rules even though a link with the rules has bin put up if the black is potted of the break it is a re rack and the same player breaks so this is from the epa pool ruels
Break The object balls are racked with the Eight-Ball on the Spot. In the absence of any competition / tournament rules to the contrary, a coin will be tossed to determine which player will break. If a series of frames is to be played (A Match), the break of each subsequent frame will alternate. The first shot of a frame is called the "Break". To "Break". the Cue Ball is played at the triangle of Object Balls from Baulk. The frame is deemed to have commenced the instant that the Cue Ball is played. The Break will be deemed a "Fair Break" if:- At least one Colour is potted. and/or Four Object Balls (at least) are driven to a cushion. If the Break is not a Fair Break it is a Non-Standard Foul and:- The opponent is awarded two visits. The balls are re-racked. The opponent re-starts the game and is under the same obligation to achieve a Fair Break. If the Cue Ball is potted on a Fair Break it is a Non-Standard Foul that is penalised by the turn passing to the opponent. If the break is not a Fair Break and the Cue Ball is potted, the penalty for failure to perform a Fair Break applies. (see (b) above). If the Eight-Ball is potted on any break, the balls are re-racked and the same player will break again. When the Eight-Ball is potted on the break, all other aspects of the shot are ignored. (Except if a Serious Foul or breech of the "Spirit of the Game" occurs). G. Legal Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: ACE2M on April 09, 2007, 08:56:56 PM i'm very much up for a game at bb4.
See how many we can get in then all pay to enter and have a mini tournament, sure there will be some side action as well. The day after bb4? Get dewi on the Job!! Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: turny on April 09, 2007, 09:19:58 PM could play sunday afternoon after the quiz if anyones interested.
theres a rileys 5 mins from casino and as bedfordshire county pool association secretary i can get us the 2 tables free of charge. we could have a match between the itb boys and a blonde made up team. i think theres 6 itb boys attending so we could play a 6 aside match with 6 singles and 3 doubles games. say best of 3 each match. we usually play world rules but are happy to play any rules agreed. just to even it up wager wise we will give the made up team 2/1 to beat us. so get 6 of you to definatly play and its game on! Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: Moorman1 on April 10, 2007, 06:43:48 PM i'd be up for playing... used to play for essex b4 I couldnt be bothered to play on sundays.... already got a score off Claimer per frame coming my way
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 11, 2007, 12:52:17 AM Would defo be up for this, if we are still around Sunday
Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: JungleCat03 on April 11, 2007, 02:31:35 AM Pool's a great game for groups in multiples of 2.
If you ever have 3 people though and you don't fancy playing alternately, there's this cracking little game called cutthroat. You need to have numbered balls and pockets you can recover the balls from too ( or the old plastic cup in pocket trick) It's also great for betting. Ok so each of you have 5 of the 15 balls. One player 12345, next 6-10, next 11-15. These are your balls. Your job is to make sure your balls stay on the table whilst potting your opponents balls. Once your balls are all potted you are out (although you can come back to life) If you foul, your opponents both get to retreive a ball from the pockets (if there are any down) and place it as close to the black spot as possible(moving toward the top cushion if there's a traffic jam) The next player can put the white ball behind the line a la pool but only gets one shot. You can hit and pot your own balls for strategy purposes and your break continues till you fail to pot or foul. The winner is the last player with balls remaining on the table. I was playing with mates for a quid each a frame if you won with one ball remaining and an extra 50p from both players to the winner for every excess ball. So if you won with all 5 you'd get £2+£2+£2. Obviously you can alter the stakes to whatever you fancy. It's a lot of fun because there are guarenteed arguments about "teaming up" and stuff like that. Win a few in a row and watch the other two go hell for leather trying to pot all your balls next frame. I worked out a succesful divide and conquer policy when I was playing! Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: M3boy on April 11, 2007, 02:58:42 AM Just play Killer. £5 each, £1 penalty for a foul.
(Again, beermats down the pockets needed (or the table key ;) ) Title: Re: Pool Rules Post by: Ironside on April 11, 2007, 03:00:34 AM mext to break pays the table charge in killer
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