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Some of the details may be a bit sketchy as it was over a week ago.

Final table of a live tourney

Blinds are 1000/2000 I have 19000 chips

There are eight players left and top 3 get paid.

I am in the small blind and get  5c  5d

guy in middle position limps in ( i don't know much about him) he has about 20,000 chips

Girl on the button (who is VERY drunk) calls also. She has about 35,000

I call

Big Blind checks. He is a good player and chip leader on about 40,000 or so

pot is 8000

anyway flop comes

 Th   5h   3c

I check
BB checks
early limper Checks
Drunk girl bets 8,000

16,000 in the pot now

Now I go all in for my remaining 18,000

My thinking was that the other two could be on a flush draw and I wanted to chase them out. As it turns out everyone folded.

I can't help but feel I made a serious mistake in not doubling through here (or least getting someone to commit 18,000 chips to the pot along with me)

Should I have just flat called here and if someone hits a flush then "that's poker" ?

I feel that this is the hand that cost me the tournament.

Any opinions?

shove pre

aye very good!

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Given that you havn't shoved pre post flop play is standard

The push is a good one. On a board like this you have to bet your sets hard. there are FD's and straight draws out there. There's plenty in the pot so if everyone folds that's a shame in this case but better than slowplaying seeing a 6 hit and the BB having 24.

Don't think you done too much wrong.  You're entitled to think the drunk girl will call your last 10k if she's already put 8k in there.

yeah you played this fine. no way do you ever let them see a turn without all your chips in the middle.

Im coming round top the opinion more and more that Stu Ungars ideas were some of the best. Occasionally you can give a fee card to attempt a double up. But i do what you did.

You should have shoved pre but once the flop comes i like what you did.


I am not as scared as boldie so i am not worrying about the BB having 24 calling and hitting, she's bet 8k, she probably has something and there are about 25 cards that will scare her off on the turn so your best of jamming here.

hi John unlucky last night


im never playing AQ again...............lol


u did fine in my opinion...giving free cards is a no no with a pot that size and at that stage...u either double through or take the pot which was a good size anyhow....

im suprised u say this hand has been bothering u for over a week. u played the hand like most people would (apart from a pre flop shove). u won a decent amount, it only seems like there was an extra 10k from the drunk women u could of got

The pre flop shove is a total non starter IMHO. No-one will convince me otherwise.


If I just flat called the 8,000 then I wouldn't be giving the other two a free card as It would be 8,000 to call with 24,000 in the pot.

So they'd be getting decent odds but not a free card.

If they do hit a straight/flush then I do have about 10 outs to the full house or quads

If I do get 2 or all of them to come along with me and my hand holds up I have between 50,000 - 70,000 chips and have crippled one opponet and severley dented another one/two. I am now in pole position to win.

People talk about gambling early in an MTT to gain a big stack but for me the time to gamble is when your gamble takes you into 1st place with only 5 or 6 players left. Being chip leader when there are still 30 or 40 players doesn't count for very much.

Anyway it appears I am arguing with myself as everyone is saying I played it OK except for me  :-)

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If you believe this, then what is the point of the post? :D

shove pre would also do this with any pair, any two face cards and any ace. worth the risk to increase ur stack by nearly 50%

FYP

I wanted to know what people thought about the "all in" post flop as opposed to just flat calling?

Something I've been meaning to ask for ages.

What does "FYP" mean?

what about the guy who has limped in early?

why has he done that when he only has about 20,000 himself?  I was unable to answer that question so I am not willing to just shove it in and hope for the best.

early pos - kq? kj? could be a player who is inexperienced and/or someone who does not understand the game as good as you.

fix your post?  :dontask: not sure

Very true

or it could be someone with AA, KK, QQ etc.. praying someone raises it.

We are it the "all in or fold" stage of the tournament and so an early limper is far more suspicious than normal.

The point is I didn't know which it was, so why shove all my chips in and hope for the best?

if hes got aa kk qq its not your day, i feel jacks is not strong enough to do this with. if you know the player it would make the situation alot easier.   

Exactly so why not just call and see what the flop brings?

I'm on the button next hand and I'll still have the same number of chips (well 1,000 less)

I'm getting 7:1 odds here to call and try and flop a set. If the BB suddenly raises then I can just pass and no harm done

But 7/8 times you aren't going to hit the flop. I'd rather increase my stack by 50% preflop. If mid-pos limper has a big pair so be it. with 9BB's you can't afford to play cautiously in spots like this and wait for a more favourable occasion.

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why can't I ?

If I just limp in and the flop comes A K T I am finished with the hand and I have gone from 19,000 to 18,000. No real harm done.

I am now on the button.

I don't see how my situation has got any worse. In Fact I'd argue it is better.

Your not exactly progressing towards the top though are you, by playing this passive in a crap shoot you will constantly find yourself the short stack pushing to double up to where you were 1/2 an hour ago praying your 60/40's hold.

shove pre

on flop check raise

the other player would be calling the all in if he was calling the 8k so proberly had nowt