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$15/$30 cash game (6 handed table). You sat with $2k, and are now upto $5.5k

You're in the sb, with KK, one fella raises to $90 (he had $5k) from 1st position, one call (he's on tilt and has reloaded for another $3k), and you raise it upto $320, they both call.

Flop: Js,7h,5d

You bet $1k, and they both call.

Turn 2s.

What do u do here, considering there is $4k in the pot on the turn, and u have $4k left, what do u bet? And what do u put your opponents on?

A Set?

Do you automatically have to assume this and dump the KK? or Can you bet and see where you are? Any bet here is going to look weak apart from an all in.

I think u would be re-raised if either had a set, u may be looking at TT or QQ but most likely AJ & AK.

I certainly think that the 2nd player would have raised with a set after a flat call.

I think I put my middle opponent on AJ,KJ. though if he's tilting it may not be as good as that. I think I'm beating him

First position opponent?  Worst case, Aces. We aren't told anything about him, could just as easily be AK,AQ,AJ., or any pair, hopefully not JJ

A set OF 7 or 5's, maybe, but you are paying that off with KK. The only way I see a set being slow played is position 1 with JJ

I think I'd bet a good amount here

$2k,$2.5k? if you get re-raised all in then you can dump or go with it...gut feel type call. Bear in mind that your bet will look weak, so you might have to be prepared to call allin as good uns will try to push you off

When you've had some responses, do tell!

So you think the choice is to crap or bust then? You know who you are up against are they "at it" or solid. What about the option of calling it down? Puting a Grand in doesn't seem all that weak to me.

Grab your balls and go all-in! :)up Make it look like you hit the set.

That way you'll still have something to play with after the hand  ;D

$1k into $4k, seems fairly weak to me. Both of the players are well established online pro's on ladbrokes.

the guys have $5k plus in front of them and one has reloaded for $3k+...putting $1k in looks weak


I don't think I'd go all in, I want to give myself options after my oppo has responded to my turn bet, it's not as if they are drawing to anything is it...they either have top pair with something or a set or similar made hand

I'm with Mr End here. Why cant you bet 2k and have the option of saving yourself 2 more if you are reraised?

I think you are only worried about 1 caller. IF he has AA or JJ, it's well played and he's going to get paid off that 2k. Otherwise it's yours. He probably has AJ and is waiting to see if you slow down.

Check, if 1 of them bets raise all in, if 1 bets and other raises, u release. If they both check, say 'oops' when the A drops.

I grabbed my balls and moved all in. Just because I couldnt figure out a bet where I can look strong, but fold to a raise really.

Anyway they both called!

One with 77 (the first caller), the other with 46s (straigfht draw)

the $15k pot went to the set of 7's :'(

tough luck.....liked my bet $2k and then when he re-raises go on your gut feel....

Ive seen that film ;)

I think this is why the check works, you check mr set bets, mr str8 draw calls, now you can pass losing nothing else.

Maybe thats why my bankroll has disapaited??? >:?

but what if mr set actually holds QQ? If Wayneo checks the turn and mr set comes out betting thinking the check from wayneo is a sign of weakness and thinks his QQ is good and mr str8 draw calls - now you are passing the best hand......

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if the other two hands were QQ and 46 instead of 77 and 46 chances are this post wouldnt exist

This reminds me of why i dont play cash games and stick to multi table tourneys :-\

Matt sometimes you are going to pass the winning hand, thats just how it is.

it was the point about hindsight i was trying to get across - the check worked because you now know that he lost to a set. If he had played the hand in exactly the same way and his opponents had QQ and 46 he wins a 15k pot and got maximum value for his hand.

Thats the thing about poker, there is no right way and no wrong way - certain situations may be similar but the correct actions each time may be completely different. different people have different ways to play the game and getting them all sat round the same table is what makes this game so much fun  ??? to play!!

The problem with betting the 2K with 4K left is that it looks like a 'bet a bit and fold if reraised' kind of play. Many players will reraise you here with a lot less than a great hand, simply to give you the chance to 'make the good laydown' that will give you a warm glow at having saved 2K.

Matt will he call with QQ??

I would fold in that spot, the only way we can bet here with KK is if we can be called by a worse hand, so basically QQ and AJ, there are a lot more hands we are behind to here.

I am happy to lose to QQ/AJ evrey now and then, and save the 4k when i am up against AA (possible) or any of the sets.

I disagree - betting half your stack doesn't look like weakness in this spot to me at all, it almost makes you look committed to the pot. It's a very disguised bet I think.

the only person who can answer that is wayneo, this is one of the other disadvantages of just being given the briefest of information, no-one else knows how loose/tight the table was playing.

From my experience, two flatcallers is very suspicious and a set is a huge possibility, especially when you consider how harmless the flop appears to a hand like yours. They must know you could easily have an overpair, don't forget.

If you are going to play the hand, then you should go all-in.

Betting 1k is very weak and really won't tell you much. They might see this as passive and make a move on you. Also, you could allow both to call with weaker hands, therfore giving them an unnecessary chance to hit an out. Imagine if the one fella had AJ instead of the set. You're letting him draw to 3 aces and 2 jacks, whilst also giving the straight draw a chance to hit one of 8 outs.

I also believe betting 2-2.5k is a weak move. There is already over 4k in the pot. If someone reraises are you really going to be able to fold for your last 2k with 6k in the middle. And if you do fold, you may be folding the best hand. The guy with the straight draw could be gambling, whilst the other opponent may be pushing a jack, or quite possibly QQ.

I would follow Royal Flush's advice and just check and release to any intense action behind you. Even if you shove it in and actually turn out to be ahead, hands like AJ, straight draw, etc, can still call and outdraw you. However, if you're up against the set, you're practically dead.

 

The idea of betting $2k on the turn, and then folding to a raise, also means Im folding $2k into what is going to be around $13k at the time, so Im getting 6.5-1 on my money if my KK is good.

I like my bet on the flop, but I think I should have dumped the hand on the turn, when I was called I knew I was beat, but I could have probbably known this without betting the $4k.

Alot easier in hindsight, it's ok play to make in a multi tournament, cash game not so sensible, hopefully Ive learnt a lesson from it anyway.

Great posts Snoop and Wayneo, but after you bet the 2k you would KNOW you're behind. Regardless of the pot odds here surely a pass is a must and you still have 2k to play with. (The is assuming you make the 2k bet which probably isn't the best move in hindsight)

Remember it's not a tourney where you'll be short stacked, you can reload, and 2 grand is still 2 grand. I'm just not sure a 2k bet justifies the lot going in here.

 :)