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Well folks semi final time is here how do u see this game going in particular.  I think that having seen both temas this season play against Celtic I actually think that Milan will prove the winners over 2 legs.  I think that they may even win both legs, Man United where different class against Roma but I think that AC will provide are far more formidable task. 

I am going to go for Gillardino to score first and AC to win 2 - 1 the night.

Any thoughts?

COME ON MILAN

Can see a 2-1 or 3-1 win to the home team tonight.

But a 2-0 win or 3-1 win for Milan at their place, with them nicking it in the end, Hopefully.

Wasn't going to give betting on this match a second thought - but after Glasgow's post i'm putting my other house on Man Utd to go thru over the two legs!!

Cheers :)up

I think Man Utd are value tonight (2.22 on Betfair).  Milan have looked pretty ordinary from what I've see so far (Kaka aside).

2-0 Man U.

Milan are an old, but very experienced and talented side.

Manure, although it pains me to say it, have been the best team in the premiership this season (although not always the best in Europe) - despite having inferior players in certain positions.  However, the defence is getting more and more depleted, and this could cause them problems.

Ronaldo is the key for manure - as he has been all season.  If someone like Gattuso can 'stamp their mark' on him early on, then it could make a difference. I can see manure winning the home leg (unfortunately), but if AC can nick an away goal it could make all the difference.

milan are so lucky to be in the semis, unbelievablely easy passage so far, man u (-2) will be good
milan are gonna get pumped

expecting a nervy night. I see Man Utd winning but the clean sheet is going to be very hard work with all four 1st choice defenders out.

I'm still hoping for Liverpool v Man Utd final.

Come on Utd

I'm hoping Liverpool are there...don't care who the opposition are ;)

same with me and Utd but I'd rather be playing a team with European pedigree than some flash in the pan  ;)

:)up

I would hardly say that beating Celtic and Bayern was easy.  It took them more than 180 minutes to score against the Champions of Scotland and they got an undeserved oenalty agaisnt Bayern.  There is no doubt they carried some luck but sometimes thats what drives these massive clubs on to be winners.

I've made 4 bets:

2-1 Milan @ 17.5
3-0 Milan @ 75.0
Milan @ 4.2
+2.5 @ 2.38

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I would hardly say that beating Celtic and Bayern was easy. 
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of course they are, how else can u explain such a poor milan side getting so far, and deserving to win each tie overall?

1-0 to the glorious United (and 1-1 in the return leg)

PLEASE GOD!!

hope you havent lost too much mate

I would hardly say that beating Celtic and Bayern was easy. 
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of course they are, how else can u explain such a poor milan side getting so far, and deserving to win each tie overall?

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Because they got two huge refereeing decisions in their favour that they should never have got.  Against Celtic they where lucky when Maldini's stone cold hand ball went unpunnished and then against Bayern they where the recipitents of a very dubious penalty.  But like I say luck goes a long way in these big tournaments.

What price u want on Milan over the 2 legs Andy?  I'll take your dosh.

I dont think Milan had it easy at all.

I agree that they havent played well yet though. Except in Munich where they were much better.

Maybe they're finding form at the right time.

lol pipedream

 rotflmfao

MILAN O O O MILAN

milan will win this now, they will hit utd on the break for fun.

Rooney in the 44th...i can feel it.

Kaka ... better than Ronaldo.   ship !!!

some goal

Our defence should just jump around into each other while kaka runs rings round us...

...Oh wait, there already doing that.

FFS

Great bets Flushy, 4.2 was obviously far too big with United's entire defence missing.

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man utd bring on substitute defender at half time


















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they bringing Fergie on ?  LOLOL

Shut it.

I was refering to the 3-0 obv.

We'r gonna nick 2 later anyway.  theyl probs 'nick' another 5 tho.

Kaka simply brilliant, altho Evras awful

Didn't know they had re-signed Barthez!

Inept defending or what.
 ::)

Do you know anything about football, or is it just based on all blinkered ignorance ?

He's one of that other lot mate just leave him!

COME ONNNNNN ONE MORE...

sweet goal.

crackin game of football.

two top top teams.

OH ITS THERE BABY

WHAT A GAME

great game - so open

as a big gooner i cant believe hw much i was cheering on man utd (Wasnt like that in 99!)

their football is so exciting to watch at the moment - so much better than the dull stuff chelsea play

lol, some ridiculous statements mid-thread.
granted, Evra had a bad night but the whole defence is decimated, we all knew that pre-match.

brilliant gutsy performance and one couragous performance with an all red final.

If UTD go on to win this with the injuries they've suffered it'll really add to the acheivement

1-0 milan in the san siro.... bye bye Utd.

expert

well im better qualified about Man ure than you, ive been to see them play.

me too mate, me too
 though as a leicester season ticket holder

what about the injuries suffered by milan - maldini and gattuso are both big players for them. Surely the "biggest club in the world" have a squad big enough to cope with a few injuries ?

I'm talking generally at the close of this whole campagn, rather than specifically this match.

ofcourse it's good news for us to see maldini and gattuso go off tonight

Precisely. Until that moment you were being outplayed. It changed the match.

Great game for a neutral.

Great game of football two top sides playing different styles lead to compelling spectacle. The 2nd leg should be just as interesting (and hopefully as exciting), with man u's defence all injured they cannot possibly hope for a 0-0 so will go looking for a goal, so another open game is likely.

The injuries of Gattuso and Maldini did change this game, but a first choice man u team may well have never conceded those goals in the first place. Milan were full strength going into this game and rested (none of them played in Serie A last week), yet man u were the stronger team at the end.

Rant: I must admit i have never seen the sense in supporting european teams against English teams in europe and the current growing hatred amongst lot of people in this country to anyone but their own team its quite saddening. Maybe i just don't share anything in common with Premiership football fans anymore, the gap in football gets ever wider. End rant.

So sick, Milan got up 2-1 too early for the bet to be good. I was thinking a 75th minute counter attack.

At least my +2.5 hit, i nearly had a flutter on +4.5.

Rob S, yeah had to be, they were going to have a shocking defence. I did get a good laugh tonight, Martin won the £20 rebuy in Brighton, nice to see he has found his level.....

Surely not, was it a 12 way chop?!!

Great game. On another day I think Man U would have blown away Milan but with a crippled defence and Kaka in imperious form it was a great spectacle. Scholes flick was brilliant and he had a fine match. Wish the little ginger magician hadn't retired from internationals :(

The return leg should produce a classic match. The days where Italian clubs could effortlessly produce 0-0 and 1-0 games at home are gone and man utd have a lot of firepower.

Look forward to it. I hope the liverpool chelsea tie will live up to it. I suspect there could be a cat and mouse element to the game but hopefully mourinho and benitez will get the teams on top form and tear into each other.

Bring it on!

Man U are simply awesome this season. I am not a supporter of theirs but they do play some wonderfull stuff this year.
I reckon they can get a result in Milan and whichever english team they would meet in the final would be in a lot of trouble.

I don't like the way the Chelsea/Liverpool game has been building up. I reckon Mourinho has crossed the line with his "If I got the results Rafa has been getting I'd have been sacked" remark. That's just not on.
I reckon Liverpool has a good shot at Chelsea (who look by no means unbeatable) and hope it will be a ManU/Liverpool final....that should be a good game.

Are you serious?

Man Utd have been so lucky with injuries this season compared to Chelsea, Arsenal and to a certain extent Liverpool.

Nemesis posted a website that showed first team injuries and for the majority of the season Man Utd have had no injuries.  Yes they have had it not great the last month with their defence, but NONE of their big-time attacking players have been injured - especially Ronaldo and Rooney.

Chelsea have had most of their squad out at some point this season

And my team Arsenal have spent over half a season with no Henry, Van Persie and Gallas.  and at other times have had up to 10 first teamers out.

its a rediculous statement to say that it will be a bigger achiement with all the injuries they've had.  Everyone has been commenting on the fact that they havent had any for most the season

Utd have rarely had two fully fit strikers for any stretch of time. Ronaldos brilliant form has produced goals that you'd expect from a centre forward.

back 4 have never settled and it's the depth of the squad that's kept the ship steady.

I'm not saying it's been an injury disaster like Arsenal for example, it's just not been plain sailing. It'll be a bigger achievement than the last treble because we had an easier time of it injury wise and we also had the top two strikers in the league that year. was it 20 odd each from Cole and Yorke?

Yes - but this time you have the best player in the world.

All i am saying is that you cannot say it will be a remarkable achievement considering their injuries as for the most part everyone has been fit, especially the group stage and last 16.  Rooney has been fit the whole season.  Saha even when fit has sometimes not been selected because in europe he has liked to play Giggs off the front man.

any prem/FA cup/champ league treble would be a remarkable achievement, fit squad or not.

Which is why we will all be heralding Chelsea's greatness at the end of the season.

IMO in '99 Keane was the best player in the world.

good point Baron

I don't believe you mean that Horneris  :D

not the other ronaldo or zidane?

Zidane, Davids and Deschamps were owned by Keane in the CL semi that year.

Ronaldo was up there.

Rivaldo

Erik Meijer

do you? milan were pumped, only kaka saved thier bacon, apart from that they are so pedestrian

ok this is getting silly!!

Keane best player in the world???

Yes best hard man midfielder in 1998-99 but he wasnt even voted PFA Player of the Year that season - David Ginola got it (probably the weakest winner to win in it in ages).

Also - that year Man Utd spent a lot in the summer having seen Arsenal win the double - i think they brought in Stam and Yorke from memory.

Yes he had a good semi against Juve (2nd leg) but he WAS NOT the best player in the world.  He was not even considered the best premiership player (although he was the year after!!!!)

it seems that depends who you ask

Why is it silly?

The fact that Ginola won the PFA says a lot. Also the fact that Keane won it the year after - he cant have been that far off in 99 can he?

Let's be honest - home nations based players NEVER get World Player of the Year. If Henry wasn't a worthy winner in the last two years then I dont know who was.

All I know is the year Man U did the treble Keane was the most influential player they had.

How about Cannavaro and Ronaldinho

I can't argue with the selections around Keane's peak:

98: Zidane (Ronaldo 2nd)
99: Rivaldo (Beckham)
00: Zidane (Figo)
01: Figo (Beckham)
02: Ronaldo (Khan)

In 98 and 00 Zidane steered France to World and Euro success. In 02 Ronaldo did the same for Brazil.

In the non-international competition years the influential player in a treble winning side shouldn't be far off the award IMO.

I'm not knocking Rivaldo though. The man was class.

Just seems more and more like the winners will always be someone who does "Guapa".

Milan 2, mancs 0. It must be the weather they're not used to that rain  rotflmfao rotflmfao

I love it when i am right :D

Shipit Holla. Come on Milan. HOLD. Tis not over yet.

Not a Man Utd fan but cant believe how poor they are tonight, no excuses....just crap. What happened to the stuff against Roma?

Was looking forward to Liverpool v Man Utd as a neutral.

oooops


good luck to Liverpool in the final...

at least AdamM wont be dragging up all the Man U threads like the Baron did ;)

Awful depressing game.

They deserved it, we were shite.

I wouldn't do that

very disappointing. Completely outplayed.

We'll have to settle for the double.

also always disappointed by people not supporting English teams abroad. I want to see Liverpool beat Milan and so should any English football fan.

I disagree, i hate Liverpool and would love to see Milan hammer them.

 :'( Bye Bye

Come on Liverpool for the final!!!

very disappointing

what is?

HAHAHAHA

B
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that kind of attitude. I know it's common but it's still a shame

as a Man City fan I actually wanted Man U to go through...

just so Gary Neville could score an OG in the last minute :)

Happens with every club everywhere... and it always will i think.

I dont think its a shame, i think its the spirit that keeps english clubs rivalrys so brilliant.  Everyone loves hating each other.

No one wants to give a huge rival another trophy in the cabinet that they can be reminded of.

hate is a serious word but this probably isnt the time and place for that conversation

you should probably get the mods to remove "hate" from the topic altogether then.

grow up

A fellow City fan, get in!!  ;applause;

Eastlands awaits this Saturday and we have even "rested" Joey for them.

Indeed.. suppose we want to give them a chance...

And I get to spend a JOYOUS day at work as 1 of 2 managers.. the other being my boss AND a Man U fan

should be an entertaining day

Following the GMTV scandal, Man United are suing UEFA for allowing them to enter a competition they had no chance of winning...

and here's a manu shirt:

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I'd wear that

I've genuinely never understood this logic.

The whole reason that football is the biggest most passionate game in the world is down to rivalry. When you take that away you have nothing just a boring game with 22 guys running around on a pitch.

Obviously Man City Fans & Liverpool fans want Man Utd to get pumped. Why does that surprise or dissappoint aynone?

It doesn't suprise me.

I dont mind rivalry but when language turns to words like hate and scum I don't like it. It certainly doesn't belong on blonde

personally I think I have more in common with a Liverpool fan than an AC Milan fan and so I'll be supporting the premiership team in the final.

you should know better.

i do

You also should have more against a liverpool fan, than an AC fan.

I don't really want to get into it. I have no hate in me, at least not football related. I have nothing 'against' people I haven't met. I don't like the tribal nature of football or society in general and wish people could evolve past it.

I'm also perfectly realistic, in that, I realise I hold a minority view on this.

i dont know Adam M at all but i am guessing he is more of an armchair Man Utd supporter than an avid fan who has stood on the terraces and followed man utd up and down the country.

I think this is why there is a difference of opinion here.

I am a normal guy, never into any football violence etc but i intensely dislike both Chelsea and Spurs to the point that on tuesday my heart was racing in the penalties and i was so nervous cheering liverpool on.  Similarly the Seville game against Spurs was equally nerve-wracking for me.

I enjoy their failure both home and away and i would expect any TRUE AVID Spurs or Chelsea fan to enjoy Arsenal failings.

It is part of what makes this such a great game and without rivalry the game would lack so much passion both on and off the pitch.

As for the final - i do not dislike liverpool that much so will be happy if they win.

spot on that man .... football without rivalry is like pies with vegetables in them...JUST PLAIN WRONG !!

;iagree; perfectly put

As a passionate Liverpool fan, my favourite team is obviously Liverpool - followed by ABU - anyone but united.  This passion has also grown to include an extreme dislike to chelsea.  My current dilemma is trying to decide who I'd prefer to win the league (or least not mind winning it).  Although I detest maureen's attitude and general being, my dislike of manure is stronger.  So I was disappointed with last weekend's results (even though I had to laugh at everton) - but thought Wednesday night was hilarious!

In Europe, I want any British club to do well - except for manure or chelsea.  Aresenal, Spurs, Celtic, even Bolton - I want them to win.  I wanted Arsenal to win the CL last year, and wanted Spurs to do well in the UEFA Cup this year.

I love the banter between rival fans - but not the violence that idiots on both sides resort to under the banner of their clubs.  That's bollocks as far as I'm concerned.

I'm a big rugby league fan, and tomorrow is rugby league's biggest match - Wigan v saint helens (Leed and Bradford fans might disagree, but they'd be wrong of course).  The 'hatred' between the two towns is enormous (only 8 miles between the two as well), and the only bigger pleasure in rugby that Wigan winning, is stains losing.  But I've spent many a great night drinking with stains fans after a match with plenty of good-humoured banter.  It's a shame football can't match this most of the time.

Anyway, come the 23rd, I hope LeKnave is cheering Milan on, and I hope I can laugh at him at the end when we lift our 6th European Cup and 'Big Ears' is back home where it belongs - at Anfield.

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yep good luck in Athens Kinboshi

Out of 92 football league clubs - the only two i genuinely dislike are Chelsea and Spurs.

Man Utd i am not a big fan of but this season i have enjoyed watching their football and seeing them beat chelsea to the league is the lesser of two evils for me.

I just wish we could have passionate rivalry without the thugs and hooligans.  this is the biggest disappointment in football for me.

my business partner is a mad chelsea fan and most my best mates are mad spurs fans - we love each others failings but thats where it ends.  We are mates so iunfortunately i really dont get the violence - i dont see how they can be true fans as surely they have mates who are rival fans

on that at least we can all agree.

Main reason I watch football at home or in a pub I know well is the same reason I don't like busy nightclubs and large outdoor events. I don't like big crowds and I hate random violence.

i don't think that aversion automatically makes me less of a fan

Again, well said...

But.......

Liverpool are playing in Red and AC in white.  But good effort.

;D

I don't support any premiership clubs, i am however a big fan of Juventus, even though there is a big rivalry between Juve and AC i would still rather see AC win than an English team.

Having said that Liverpool have always been my favourite Prem team and so its no great loss if they win.

I tried my best :)

hahahha..loved seeing the scum getting beat!!!!

Arn't leeds in that really high division nowadays though?

Its Man Utd Gibbo, not scum or United (There is more than one united although some commentators dont seem to think so)

Anyway Come on Milan!


We'll be back

Are we related? Where we seperated at birth? Your not a gorgeous bird by any chance are you?

Same as that! Good post.