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Title: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 09, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
Fellow members and friends of the Blonde circle of poker players I am perplexed and need your feedback. Upon rereading one of the numerous books I have on the game (most of which have not helped me as I am too thick to understand them) it was suggested that even if your luck is running bad you should continue to play in the game.

Our very own Tighty recently went through a run where he only won 1 out of 13 races. In March I had a good month on line but could not score live for love nor money.

So curiosity leads me to ask the above question. I only want your primary reaction. You may do a number of these simultaneously but you are only allowed to choose one

For myself my primary motivation is always to take a break. No online. No live. Read a book about something other than poker, trains perhaps. It is funny how short a period of time it takes for me to forget about all the bad stuff and want to get back into the game. Of course I do not make my living from the game so it is easy to walk away for a period.
I look forward to your responses - Snat


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: thedadi on May 09, 2007, 03:45:29 PM
Would play through it,(but not tell the wife!!)
Old saying goes sometimes you can learn more in defeat than when winning.
(wouldnt kno what you learn when you win tho, but kno an awfull lot bout losing)!!


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: M3boy on May 09, 2007, 03:53:05 PM
Play through it.

But with even more analysis of hands played - once finished for the session


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: AndrewT on May 09, 2007, 03:54:04 PM
Are you losing because luck is going against you, or because you're playing badly?

EDIT - OK, I've read the post again and seen it's luck.

Luck is an illusion. The bad run exists only in your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: M3boy on May 09, 2007, 03:55:14 PM
Are you losing because luck is going against you, or because you're playing badly?

One definately breeds the other............... thats why I said greater analysis of the hands played


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 09, 2007, 04:05:49 PM


Luck is an illusion. The bad run exists only in your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Oh lots of deeper questions come from this. The power of suggestion. Mental influence on a situation. Ever watched your football team get stuffed and come away from the ground saying "I knew that was going to happen". Of course you may have believed it might happen but you could not possibly know that it was going to happen. The decision to go right or left at a road junction. you go right and have an accident, you go left and get home safely. Luck or not. Illusion or reality?

IMHO the bad run is real and will affect you and the way you play just like listening to certain music affects your mood etc. For sure analyse the way you play your hands but at the end of the hand does it not come down to in a given situation did you go in behind or ahead and did you win or not.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: M3boy on May 09, 2007, 04:13:11 PM
The key in analysing your own play is to spot your errors, irrespective if you win the pot or not.

IE you win a good size pot, but made a bad play and got lucky

Or you lost a good size pot AND should have avoided being in that situation.

Weather you win or loose a pot does mean you played correctly/incorrectly and visa versa


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on May 09, 2007, 04:27:39 PM
Take a break.  Chances are for 99% of players that what they're calling 'bad luck' is probably bad play.

Mentally, you're probably tilting (perhaps not in an obvious way, but certainly not making optimal decisions all the time) so by playing on regardless you're probably compounding the problem.

If I'd had the option of 2 votes I would have suggested switching games.

The big problem is that very few players have any true statistical idea of how long a bad run can last due to statistical variance (and presumed optimal play).  Malmuth's 'Getting The Best Of It' was an eye-opener for me, as it set this out in black and white in all its horrible glory.  It still doesn't make variance any easier to handle (just easier to understand).


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Graham C on May 09, 2007, 04:41:07 PM
I switch games.  I played Limit for a bit, then ran bad, moving to NL helped me focus for a while, then when I ran bad in that I switched to sng's which is where I'm at for now.  I normally change pretty quickly once I start on a bad one, I don't hang around too long to see if it's just running bad or not - I'd rather not risk losing the money.

Take two games onto your laptop? Not me,  I just tilt and go :)


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: kinboshi on May 09, 2007, 04:50:40 PM
As has been said (very eloquently by the Sheriff), if you're on a bad run of luck it could also be (or degenerate to) bad play.

I don't tilt after a bad beat or a dodgy call, etc.  But I do find myself deviating from my A-game after a series of sessions when I've seen my 'good' play crapped all over by the poker gods/variance/etc.

Taking a break is probably a good idea at this stage, and then when you come back you're fresh and ready to go again with a positive outlook.  Also it stops you donking a large chunk of your bankroll whilst playing your sub-standard game.

Changing levels can also help I'd guess.  Drop down to a level that won't make a dent in your bankroll if you lose.  Or go one better than that, and play at a really low level compared to your bankroll and go out to 'gamble' and blow some money recklessly.  Then, once it's out of your system, get back to your usual level and your a-game.

What was the question again?


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: AndrewT on May 09, 2007, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: AndrewT
Luck is an illusion. The bad run exists only in your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Oh lots of deeper questions come from this. The power of suggestion. Mental influence on a situation. Ever watched your football team get stuffed and come away from the ground saying "I knew that was going to happen". Of course you may have believed it might happen but you could not possibly know that it was going to happen. The decision to go right or left at a road junction. you go right and have an accident, you go left and get home safely. Luck or not. Illusion or reality?

IMHO the bad run is real and will affect you and the way you play just like listening to certain music affects your mood etc. For sure analyse the way you play your hands but at the end of the hand does it not come down to in a given situation did you go in behind or ahead and did you win or not.

The bad run does not exist. However, human reactions to things which do not exist, but which are only perceived to exist, are real. If your perception of a bad run will affect your play, then playing on may not be the best idea. If you don't believe in ghosts, carry on as normal.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: tantrum on May 09, 2007, 05:08:40 PM
Quote from: AndrewT
Luck is an illusion. The bad run exists only in your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Oh lots of deeper questions come from this. The power of suggestion. Mental influence on a situation. Ever watched your football team get stuffed and come away from the ground saying "I knew that was going to happen". Of course you may have believed it might happen but you could not possibly know that it was going to happen. The decision to go right or left at a road junction. you go right and have an accident, you go left and get home safely. Luck or not. Illusion or reality?

IMHO the bad run is real and will affect you and the way you play just like listening to certain music affects your mood etc. For sure analyse the way you play your hands but at the end of the hand does it not come down to in a given situation did you go in behind or ahead and did you win or not.

The bad run does not exist. However, human reactions to things which do not exist, but which are only perceived to exist, are real. If your perception of a bad run will affect your play, then playing on may not be the best idea. If you don't believe in ghosts, carry on as normal.

well said.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: KingPoker on May 09, 2007, 05:09:15 PM
Its so hard when you go through a bad patch but i would never take time off from the game because of it because 99% of the time you could have played that hand a little bit differently to minimise you chip loss or perhaps bought the hand preflop or on the flop and stopping it go any further etc.

I was amazed when i got the pokertracker freebie sample how my exit hands were played out and i had made the/a mistake the majority of the time which could have been avoided, its all about sewing up the gaps in your game and yes it is possible to lose 15+ races in a row but ask yourself, did you need to get into the races or could you have played the hand without going for the coinflip option all the time, its too easy to shove your chips in and hope for the best- thats the luck side of poker, the skill side in comes with playing these hands out surely??


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Acidmouse on May 09, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
I basically took 2-3 months off poker. Then when I recently started playing again I did so at a lower level.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Horneris on May 09, 2007, 05:56:50 PM
I ran bad yesterday. Lost 3 times in a row all in with AK v AQ, couldnt win any coinflip blah blah blah. I just battled through it and refused to go to sleep till i was a winner.

25 hours later, i was knackered, but had turned a big loss into a very slight loss.

So i vote, Battle Through.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: tantrum on May 09, 2007, 05:59:46 PM
I ran bad yesterday. Lost 3 times in a row all in with AK v AQ, couldnt win any coinflip blah blah blah. I just battled through it and refused to go to sleep till i was a winner.

25 hours later, i was knackered, but had turned a big loss into a very slight loss. (I physically couldnt play any more)

So i vote, Battle Through.

The number for GA is 0800xxxxxxx;)


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Horneris on May 09, 2007, 06:01:23 PM
Maybe 25 is an exaggeration. 15


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: fearisthekey on May 09, 2007, 07:48:20 PM
Just a few of my own ramblings.

For me, it's mostly a question of faith. I have to have faith that what you are taught about probability and outs is not a myth that has no basis in fact. When I play AK v AJ, AA v AJ, KK v 44 and lose each one, it is enough to make you doubt whether  you can have faith in the cards over the long run.
Short term, this is what tilt is for me, and I believe at least a little bit that my J4o is good against his raise because hell someone played badly against my big pair and now it's time for me to get my share of bad-play rewarded.
I'm amaaazed by the power of even just a short break, maybe 2 hours, to get rid of this. Playing through for me is the very worst option. The key ingredient in my game is missing. Up against a player who is not on tilt I will lose lose lose. The irony is that the tilt itself blinds you to your susceptibility and the problem will all go away if you just play on and hit that lucky rush. It seldom comes. So I'm a big fan of setting stop limits. Lose half of your roll for that session, that's it, go and do something else. Money not lost is as good as money won. What a fantastic way to pass your time. Not only watch a film or go down the pub, but get paid (in non losses) up to $200/hour to do so!!

Just heard someone say 'how a player deals with the downswings can make or break him', and I tend to agree.

Also, since memory is state dependent (you don't just remember what happened but the context where it occurred is a powerful trigger too), I invariably switch site after a bad session. I suppose moving live from the net may have the same effect.

Good luck.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 09, 2007, 08:18:32 PM
Taking a break is better than playing through it in my opinion.

I've just done 5 PLO buy-ins in 2 hours - each one I looked at and believe I was right to put my money in with and none went my way. But at the same time I don't think I can go and play any more PLO cash tonight. I had my best ever month post Monte Carlo, whereas I'm just breaking even for May so far.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: kinboshi on May 09, 2007, 08:27:30 PM
Just a few of my own ramblings.

For me, it's mostly a question of faith. I have to have faith that what you are taught about probability and outs is not a myth that has no basis in fact. When I play AK v AJ, AA v AJ, KK v 44 and lose each one, it is enough to make you doubt whether  you can have faith in the cards over the long run.
Short term, this is what tilt is for me, and I believe at least a little bit that my J4o is good against his raise because hell someone played badly against my big pair and now it's time for me to get my share of bad-play rewarded.
I'm amaaazed by the power of even just a short break, maybe 2 hours, to get rid of this. Playing through for me is the very worst option. The key ingredient in my game is missing. Up against a player who is not on tilt I will lose lose lose. The irony is that the tilt itself blinds you to your susceptibility and the problem will all go away if you just play on and hit that lucky rush. It seldom comes. So I'm a big fan of setting stop limits. Lose half of your roll for that session, that's it, go and do something else. Money not lost is as good as money won. What a fantastic way to pass your time. Not only watch a film or go down the pub, but get paid (in non losses) up to $200/hour to do so!!

Just heard someone say 'how a player deals with the downswings can make or break him', and I tend to agree.

Also, since memory is state dependent (you don't just remember what happened but the context where it occurred is a powerful trigger too), I invariably switch site after a bad session. I suppose moving live from the net may have the same effect.

Good luck.

I like that post.  Good stuff.

:)up


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: vegaslover on May 09, 2007, 09:04:41 PM
For me it's to take a break, completely. Basically this means withdrawing all my bankroll as well so cant then play.
These runs start off as varience hitting and end up as bad play/tilt. Just my view of it!


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Zanshin on May 09, 2007, 11:01:02 PM
Drink more and play higher stakes till your even..........

Possible not the best advice but you did ask the question  ;hide;


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on May 09, 2007, 11:12:58 PM
wheres the option for jumping off a tall building or playing with the traffic? I think im going to do that now...


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: pokermuppet on May 09, 2007, 11:20:33 PM
know what youre going thru phil-find myself in very similar situation where after playing am trying to find excuses...eg-bad play by others, cards killing me, cant win a race for love nor money but after analysing my play have found out am playing badly because i feel under pressure and that pressure is making me make wrong decisions-so simple answer is stop playing totally for a while until u feel youve recharged your batteries and raring to go-to both of us poker should be about enjoying it not worrying about-come and join me on the bench for a while!!


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: WellChief on May 10, 2007, 12:35:42 AM
I try and play through it, but it's definitely better if you take a few days off and take a good luck at yourself. I had the first losing month last month I think i've ever had since I started playing seriously. I ran badly but more importantly I played badly (and stepped up too high a few times as well). 

Played better this month and stuck to my level and had the best ever start to a month.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Longy on May 10, 2007, 12:44:44 AM
Playing lots of turbo sng's as i do, varience is a sod and you are forced to flip, shove rubbish, get called by rubbish and generally gamble alot in this form of the game.

I have been through runs which literally had left me dumbfounded, the best one was about 2 months ago, i cashed in 1 (a third) in 34 sngs, i was proven double digit roi winner in these gameS over 2k+ sng's. There is famous quote not sure who by who says something along lines, you will at sometime run worse in poker worse than you can possibly imagine.

My solution generally is to take some air and then sift through the mess that is a downswing, picking through hands that i have played and seeing what i could have done better. I have found im normally not playing optimally, good enough normally to win but leaks normal creep in. Though after above mentioned story i did take a few days off, had a few beers and chilled until my motivation was back.

Oh and Horneris system i would not recommend, i think only certain people can do that without ending up in a mental hospital.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: RobS on May 10, 2007, 03:15:48 AM
Nobody has come close to the right answer yet, let me try.

Simply close all your poker applications, and open a popular online betting exchange website. Pour yourself a nice glass of merlot and switch the TV to Sky Sports. Find a live sporting event, and place some fairly large bets while in progress. Football is always a good one for this, and recently cricket and snooker (winner of each frame in progress).

If you win, it can get you out of trouble for the night, whereas if you lose then you can find this re-motivates you to play winning poker.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: jakally on May 10, 2007, 08:17:58 AM
Played better this month and stuck to my level and had the best ever start to a month.

Bankroll management plays a big part in dealing with variance.
If you are playing well within your bankroll, it is much more likely that you can shrug off a few horrible beats and just carry on playing.

If you are not, then it is probable that you will start to play less than optimally.

The other key, for me, is accurate record keeping.
Firstly, so that it is clear whether it is short term variance, or whether it is a case of consistently losing.

More importantly, if you have had a couple of losing sessions, to reaffirm that you are a long term winning player.

I play cash primarily, and this is relatively easy to manage - tourneys, I would imagine, are a more difficult proposition (higher variance, playing well for no return etc...).

If I really am struggling, and don't think I can play through it at my normal level, I go and play a game I am more likely to beat to regain some confidence - low level heads up sit n go's are excellent for this.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: celtic on May 10, 2007, 01:21:52 PM
After all this debate Phil hit a final table last night and from what i could see played well (including a nice bluff with 4 high!!)

Finished 4th i think? Cant remember who won it tho!!!!!! ;yippee; ;yippee;


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 10, 2007, 06:26:56 PM
It was a lovely evening and it graphically exposed what can happen in any tourney. I had KK cracked by 10,10 and I cracked A,10 with A,7. In fairness it has been a reasonable week with a three way split on Monday as well as final table last night.

That's poker one long rollercoaster


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: RichD on May 11, 2007, 12:58:18 AM
Bad times do exist. e.g Sunday I kept running big pairs into bigger pairs. QQ into AA was the most common and when I finally had AA into QQ on Monday evening the QQ rivered a Q.. but you gotta keep playing with the same mental state as if you get runs like this you WILL get runs going the opposite way when it feels like you cant lose no matter what!

Taking a break surely wont change much, just keep you out of practice?


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: M3boy on May 11, 2007, 01:38:03 AM
For the last 4 days now, I have started my cash sessions of with a £600 loss within 10 minutes (outdraws and big hands into bigger ones etc...)

Then taken me 3 hours to turn it around.

Now if only I can get £600 UP within 10 minutes, I will be fine lol


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Slick Kid on May 11, 2007, 01:47:54 AM
I'm in the middle of a stinking run at the moment, which has benifited me as l have learn't that this is a really hard game to succeed at. I am playing through it as l did during a short one last year(2 months). This one is at the three month stage but oddly this week l have noticed some of my hands are holding up so BEWARE. lol


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: fearisthekey on May 11, 2007, 11:50:39 AM
I'm in the middle of a stinking run at the moment, which has benifited me as l have learn't that this is a really hard game to succeed at. I am playing through it as l did during a short one last year(2 months). This one is at the three month stage but oddly this week l have noticed some of my hands are holding up so BEWARE. lol
I used to dread sitting down to play poker after a winning streak, I knew the complacency would creep up on me and I'd start playing real bad. A bit like golf: "Once you think you've really got is sussed it just reaches up and grabs you by the balls."
And good luck by the way, hope it holds up for you.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: tantrum on May 11, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
It was said before - bad streak = bad play.

good streak does not mean great play either, those who are consistant winning players never talk about bad streaks for some reason, i wonder why?


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Ginger on May 11, 2007, 12:10:59 PM
It was said before - bad streak = bad play.

good streak does not mean great play either, those who are consistant winning players never talk about bad streaks for some reason, i wonder why?

I don't agree with that at all.

Bad streaks/runs can LEAD to bad play, it does not necessarily mean you are playing bad to induce running bad.

And tbh, I have seen many pro interviews where they have mentioned running bad....

Players usually don't talk about running bad as they know that over time it evens out, winning players usually understand that and hence don't feel the need to talk about it.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: fearisthekey on May 11, 2007, 12:18:13 PM
It was said before - bad streak = bad play.

good streak does not mean great play either, those who are consistant winning players never talk about bad streaks for some reason, i wonder why?

I don't agree with that at all.

Bad streaks/runs can LEAD to bad play, it does not necessarily mean you are playing bad to induce running bad.

And tbh, I have seen many pro interviews where they have mentioned running bad....

Players usually don't talk about running bad as they know that over time it evens out, winning players usually understand that and hence don't feel the need to talk about it.

Over a long period of time it is not possible for the world's best player not to undergo a bad streak, of the type that would sound almost contrived. Aces continually cracked, Running inside straights and backdoor flushes against him, everyone who plays enough will encounter a sustained period of this occurring. Likely to get at least one bad beat a day, shouldn't be surprised if they cluster.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: tantrum on May 11, 2007, 12:26:55 PM
It was said before - bad streak = bad play.

good streak does not mean great play either, those who are consistant winning players never talk about bad streaks for some reason, i wonder why?

I don't agree with that at all.

Bad streaks/runs can LEAD to bad play, it does not necessarily mean you are playing bad to induce running bad.

And tbh, I have seen many pro interviews where they have mentioned running bad....

Players usually don't talk about running bad as they know that over time it evens out, winning players usually understand that and hence don't feel the need to talk about it.


Perhaps winning players don't believe in luck ....


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Ginger on May 11, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
I didn't mention luck


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: tantrum on May 11, 2007, 01:05:26 PM
I didn't mention luck

So what exactly is a bad streak/run?


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: jakally on May 11, 2007, 02:41:32 PM
I didn't mention luck

So what exactly is a bad streak/run?

When I used to play MTT's more regularly, I went through a period where I was convinced that the whole world was against me, and that I couldn't win a race.

I decided to note down every all-in situation I had for a week, and the percentage chance of winning when the money went in.

As I expected, there were lots of bad beats to record, and my results weren't good (big $$ loss).

The thing that surprised me was that on average I was getting what I paid for - i.e. my overall win percentage wasn't far removed from the theoretical win percentage prior to the final cards coming out.

Turns out I was just rubbish at MTT's!! 7d


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: byronkincaid on May 11, 2007, 02:58:37 PM
I didn't mention luck

So what exactly is a bad streak/run?

variance


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 11, 2007, 03:29:42 PM
It hasn't been mentioned yet, but a poor run and suffering from variance is not an entirely bad thing. It grounds you. It forces you to accept the bad beats/bad plays of other people with more ease. It reins in your ego, reminding you, that contrary to popular belief, you are not the best undiscovered player in the world.

When Snoopy and I interviewed Greg Raymer last autumn at the Dublin EPT, he stated that a lot of these fast and young upcoming players would do a lot better in poker and in life if they'd had a bad run before reaching the high stakes game as it would help them err on the side of caution and become an important part in building their resolve for when times run bad, (and they do for ALL players).

In essence, a bad run will, in truth, teach you more about poker than most of your winning sessions ever will. How you choose to react to the bad run is the important thing.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: AndrewT on May 11, 2007, 03:43:34 PM
It hasn't been mentioned yet, but a poor run and suffering from variance is not an entirely bad thing. It grounds you. It forces you to accept the bad beats/bad plays of other people with more ease. It reins in your ego, reminding you, that contrary to popular belief, you are not the best undiscovered player in the world.

When Snoopy and I interviewed Greg Raymer last autumn at the Dublin EPT, he stated that a lot of these fast and young upcoming players would do a lot better in poker and in life if they'd had a bad run before reaching the high stakes game as it would help them err on the side of caution and become an important part in building their resolve for when times run bad, (and they do for ALL players).

In essence, a bad run will, in truth, teach you more about poker than most of your winning sessions ever will. How you choose to react to the bad run is the important thing.

Yes, but in making someone play 'better', a bad run will curb the wildly reckless streak which propels them up to the high stakes game in the first place. Not everyone wants to reduce the amount of gamble in their lives.

One day as a lion etc.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 11, 2007, 06:04:43 PM
So I can honestly say it has been a good poker week. Played live twice and cashed twice and minor moneyed twice in the Mansion in the two times I played it.

Guess what I am going tonight??

I am going to take a break make supper for the family and read a good book. One thing I know for sure is I play better after a break because I feel refreshed instead of stale. If the Cincinatti kid teaches us one thing, it is that you should use your breaks from the game to come back refreshed

Have a good poker weekend all


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: nirvana on May 13, 2007, 01:50:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIzhiQf490



Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 14, 2007, 09:44:07 AM
What a great blast from the past...............I saw them six times live and they were just an awesome band.

Still running hot with a first in the £100 at Luton last night/this morning


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: RED-DOG on May 14, 2007, 10:10:46 AM
Well done Snatty, keep it up.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: TightEnd on May 14, 2007, 12:29:27 PM
Well done Phil

I hate being on the same table as you, get caught up in all your nonsense!


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: englishrose on May 14, 2007, 12:56:44 PM
Well done SNATIRAMAS.. ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: celtic on May 14, 2007, 01:05:14 PM
Great result Phil,

Didnt get round to telling you last night but.... great jacket. Sums you up perfectly.

Snatiramas.. poker with a smile!

Vince


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 14, 2007, 05:11:23 PM
Well done Phil

I hate being on the same table as you, get caught up in all your nonsense!
Ah yes you can't beat a bit of nonsense. wasn't it you who came up with the top ten people you would put in Room 101. Quite a list as i remember.............It started with Noel Edmonds


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: tikay on May 14, 2007, 05:18:20 PM
Well done Phil

I hate being on the same table as you, get caught up in all your nonsense!
Ah yes you can't beat a bit of nonsense. wasn't it you who came up with the top ten people you would put in Room 101. Quite a list as i remember.............It started with Noel Edmonds

Hmm, great idea for a thread there......

Ps - Well done last night, (how?), though the kids must be well proud of their Dad.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: Snatiramas on May 14, 2007, 05:56:48 PM
Well done Phil

I hate being on the same table as you, get caught up in all your nonsense!
Ah yes you can't beat a bit of nonsense. wasn't it you who came up with the top ten people you would put in Room 101. Quite a list as i remember.............It started with Noel Edmonds

Hmm, great idea for a thread there......

Ps - Well done last night, (how?), though the kids must be well proud of their Dad.
How is a good one. I knew I was nailed on when I beat  Kd Kc with 7s 9s. That will teach me to go stealing...........thought I had aces


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: nirvana on May 14, 2007, 08:38:21 PM
Glad you liked the choice of music, they were great, saw 'em a few times too back then and still love that song so it sprang to mind easily when the question was about running bad. Well done last night too  *g

I don't play much live (handful of times a year) but played the £75 at Luton the night before BB4, chopped it with Norman Pace and a couple of other chaps. Still looking for results from 27th April to be found somewhere on the net so I can idly chirp my day away sending weblinks to people to show off my prowess  ;hattip;

Still can't find results from that day so back to searching old music footage.


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: TightEnd on May 14, 2007, 11:26:18 PM


I don't play much live (handful of times a year) but played the £75 at Luton the night before BB4, chopped it with Norman Pace and a couple of other chaps. Still looking for results from 27th April to be found somewhere on the net so I can idly chirp my day away sending weblinks to people to show off my prowess  ;hattip;

Still can't find results from that day so back to searching old music footage.


the casino never sent out results for 27 and 28 april (bb4)...I have requested them so I can put them in our results servicefor your records!


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: bolt pp on May 16, 2007, 03:00:13 PM
1)punch a door, preferably hollow(solid if you're hard)!!!

2)spit at the screen

3)phone your ex and imply she engages in frequent sexual relations with a multitude of random men

4)post a poll on an internet poker forum

5)dont do anything, carry on running bad, handle it, be a man, watch dirty harry for inspiration

6)throw your screen out of the window(go on, do it, bottle job)


Title: Re: What to do when you run bad
Post by: matt674 on May 16, 2007, 03:12:28 PM
buy a cheap second hand car or failing that if you are still looking to keep fit a bicycle.

blimey, Kev and Snat on keep fit regimes - whatever next?  :dontask: