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Title: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: kinboshi on May 09, 2007, 10:07:25 PM
Tournament Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/05/09 - 17:02:06 (ET)
Table '49866139 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button

Seat 1: kinboshi (21756 in chips)
Seat 3: mads_lir (16838 in chips)
Seat 4: gus025 (1695 in chips)
Seat 5: redwingfan71 (17860 in chips)
Seat 6: DemonBox (14923 in chips)
Seat 8: miss_mux (24760 in chips)
Seat 9: NDcheeese (23982 in chips)
kinboshi: posts the ante 50
mads_lir: posts the ante 50
gus025: posts the ante 50
redwingfan71: posts the ante 50
DemonBox: posts the ante 50
miss_mux: posts the ante 50
NDcheeese: posts the ante 50
miss_mux: posts small blind 400
NDcheeese: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kinboshi [Kh Ks]
kinboshi: raises 2400 to 3200
mads_lir: folds
gus025: folds
redwingfan71: folds
DemonBox: folds
miss_mux: folds
NDcheeese: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [Qs Ad Ac]
NDcheeese: bets 2400

???

Only note I've got on Cheesey is that he calls with all sorts - otherwise, no info.


Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: Royal Flush on May 09, 2007, 10:12:46 PM
Make it 6400 :D


Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: AlexMartin on May 09, 2007, 10:49:55 PM
Make it 6400 :D

flat call. options are left open, stack size maintained and it looks stronger.


Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: kinboshi on May 09, 2007, 10:50:56 PM
What do you put him on?



Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: AlexMartin on May 09, 2007, 10:55:17 PM
What do you put him on?



KQ


Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: kinboshi on May 09, 2007, 10:57:41 PM

Unfortunately not!  ;D



Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: AlexMartin on May 09, 2007, 11:18:01 PM
he led with an Ace, damnnit, they are getting better


Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: Longy on May 10, 2007, 11:39:30 AM
I flat call and re-evaluate on the turn. Few players will lead with an ace here (tho imo it is correct to do so) but by flat calling it achieves a few things. It doesn't blow hands like kq,qj etc off the hand when we make get a value bet in on later streets. It keeps the pot smaller and are options open if we are beat.


Title: Re: KK on a AAQ flop...
Post by: kinboshi on May 10, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
I did call. 

Then he checked the turn.  That also confused me.

So I checked too.

Then he made a 3200 bet on the river.  I called.  He had A9.  Didn't lose too much all things considered, could have been worse.


He was truly awful throughout the tournament though, and this helped him here.  I really had no clue as to what he had, and I'm not sure he did either.  Later he called a big bet with 88 on a AKx board, and outdrew AK with his 8 on the river (not against me), citing 'pot odds' as his reason...

It just got me thinking as to the best way to play KK on that board - how scared of an ace should I be, if I think I'm ahead do I lead out or raise to a bet?  Or do I just look to minimise losses and move on?