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Title: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
thats a shocker, massively over priced, £7m absolute max. must be 20 or 30 better DM in the world. money to burn obv.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: TightEnd on May 22, 2007, 03:36:51 PM
it is meant to be a done deal


money to burn is true, but they want him and Bayern know that so can inflate the price


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: kinboshi on May 22, 2007, 03:40:39 PM
Well they spent that on Carrick as well....


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: 77dave on May 22, 2007, 03:42:19 PM
if Manure pick up a top quality stricker for next season  they will be very tough to beat no matter what the other top 3 clubs do   very strong in all departments

i also heard today that foster will start the season in front of van der sar


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: kinboshi on May 22, 2007, 03:44:59 PM
They need to sort out their defence.  Attack was certainly the best form of defence for them this season, without their ability to get goals, they wouldn't have won a sausage.

Also fortunate that they had as good a keeper as they did. 

Certainly going to be interesting next season.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: 77dave on May 22, 2007, 03:50:01 PM
whats wrong with there defense  where or how would you strengthen the defence   there only weakness is the midfiield doesnt help enough   hargreaves will solve this problem


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: TightEnd on May 22, 2007, 03:51:14 PM
Neville/Ferdinand/Vidic/Heinze with brown/O'Shea/Evra behind


defence isn't an issue...injuries in the defence were the issue


find a replacement for Saha and I think they will improve again in the summer


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 03:51:55 PM
thier defence cost them the champs league


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: TightEnd on May 22, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
thier defence cost them the champs league

my point again, big injuries at key times to vidic and ferdinand cost them

I expect they'll do something with squad depth there


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
simply not good enough for europe at the back


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
even thier first choice 4, i think its weak for the business end of europe


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: matt674 on May 22, 2007, 03:56:20 PM
They need to improve their overall squad to challenge for everything again next year - the likes of fletcher, richardson, o'shea etc are not good enough to be regular first team players. This seasons league campaign was helped by the fact that most of their squad remained injury free for the best part of the season until towards the end when their defence became a little thin.

If the likes of Rooney, Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo get injured next season and they have to rely on their "squad" players to fill in then they will finish alongside the also-rans of liverpool and arsenal.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: 77dave on May 22, 2007, 03:57:39 PM
liverpool and chelsea have shown that defence starts from the front through the midfield  hargreaves will help in this dept

Drogba has been the best defensive forward in the league this year  he has done an amazing job chasing back and from corners


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: matt674 on May 22, 2007, 04:01:51 PM
liverpool and chelsea have shown that defence starts from the front through the midfield  hargreaves will help in this dept

but is this not the role they have carrick playing?

If they bring hargreaves into the united midfield, who do they drop - giggs, ronaldo, carrick or scholes?


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: 77dave on May 22, 2007, 04:05:18 PM
depends if they bring in a big name stricker    this means  4-4-2  or 4-5-1


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 04:08:05 PM
i think scholes is to drop out


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: matt674 on May 22, 2007, 04:09:37 PM
some of my friends who are season ticket holders at old trafford seem to think this is the limit they will be spending on transfers thanks to the glaziers - they will bring in other signings but no more big money ones.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 22, 2007, 04:11:42 PM
liverpool and chelsea have shown that defence starts from the front through the midfield  hargreaves will help in this dept

but is this not the role they have carrick playing?

If they bring hargreaves into the united midfield, who do they drop - giggs, ronaldo, carrick or scholes?

Fletcher?

I reckon they will go with Hargreaves and Carrick holding with Scholes in front of them.  Ronaldo and Giggs wide with Rooney through the middle.  This will most likely be used in Europe especially away from home, in the EPL v weaker opposition then they can adapt the formation accordingly.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 22, 2007, 04:13:18 PM
If United bring in a Torres or a Villa then I can see them retaining the title next year.  Hargreaves is at least 50% overpriced!


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: matt674 on May 22, 2007, 04:17:43 PM
This will most likely be used in Europe especially away from home, in the EPL v weaker opposition then they can adapt the formation accordingly.

ahh the old 4-5-1 formation away from home in the champions league - probably the worst away record in europe bar celtic!! :D

personally i think he has to stick with 4-4-2, rooney is far better playing with someone along side him. Sometimes playing as a lone striker he starts dropping back to much when he feels he's isolated up top on his own, he's much better facing goal than with his back to it.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: The Baron on May 22, 2007, 04:48:23 PM
If Carrick was worth 18.6m then there's not a lot wrong with this price for me. I rate Hargreaves a lot more.

Utd new a few decent squad players. Their first 11 is the best in the Premiership. Cover for Ferdinand and Vidic is needed but I've always wondered why Fergie wont play Heinze there as Argentina do. Evra has come on really well this season.

Utd's problem is in 2-3 years when Scholes/Neville/Giggs and Van Der Sar all go.

As already mentioned O'Shea, Fletcher, Brown, Silvestre etc don't cut it.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 05:11:24 PM
carrick was daylight robbery, hargreaves is early evening robbery. £25m wasted


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: The Baron on May 22, 2007, 05:21:18 PM
Is it any wonder Wenger goes for decent foreign players when Englishmen are being sold at these prices?


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: kinboshi on May 22, 2007, 05:46:28 PM
Is it any wonder Wenger goes for decent foreign players when Englishmen are being sold at these prices?

Maybe Wenger doesn't want to sign another Francis Jeffers!



Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 06:40:16 PM
rangers got him for free, i still think we were short changed


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: Jim-D on May 22, 2007, 06:49:04 PM
i think scholes is to drop out

Rediculious,

Scholes fit and scholes plays every time, A truely fantastic footballer.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: fergus8 on May 22, 2007, 06:52:51 PM
i know, i was just thinking age wise


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: Jim-D on May 22, 2007, 06:56:06 PM
2 more years left I'd say, So in the mean time i believe carrick will be sacrificed


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: Serenity on May 22, 2007, 07:02:26 PM
Man Utd are going for Samuel Etoo to strengthen the strike force... this will replace Saha 10 times over.... !!!!


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: Pelham Boy on May 22, 2007, 07:53:34 PM
Goalkeeper is a problem position for United IMO.

I don't think Van Der Sar has had a good season,and i'm not convinced by Foster.


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: Serenity on May 24, 2007, 09:24:09 PM
Goalkeeper is a problem position for United IMO.

I don't think Van Der Sar has had a good season,and i'm not convinced by Foster.
he had a good enough season due to his age / experience he is still 1 of the best ..... yes i agree foster has far to come but van der sar has experience far from questioning!


Title: Re: did manu just spend £17m on hargreaves?
Post by: boldie on May 25, 2007, 09:37:53 AM
Goalkeeper is a problem position for United IMO.

I don't think Van Der Sar has had a good season,and i'm not convinced by Foster.

Van Der Sar is a truly worldclass goalkeeper..there's no doubt in my mind that he will be in goal for ManU next season. Foster will probably get a  run at some time to give him more experience but he has a lot to learn and there's noone better than Edwin to give him that.