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First hand of a $30 freezeout you are in the BB and get dealt QQ.  UTG goes all in.  Folds round to you.

Is this a standard fold or do you bite the bullet and call?

call..no bollox..most players who do this in a 30$ freezeout have  a smaller pair (often tens or jacks)...at a higher level it's a fold for me.

Fold unless you think 30 bucks is peanuts

My sentiments exactly mate.

Was up against AK

Flop AAK lol ahh well!!

Call every time.

fold, i can only aford one $30 tourney per 5 years, no way i'm going out the first hand.

defo call. i'm a firm believer in taking a shot at a possible fish early on in a tournament.

Folding here is pretty much the same as burning money, so if that's your thing then fold!

A huge overraise all in is usually AK

you are ahead of the hands that do this-pp/ak/?aq almost every time( very unlucky t run into someone playing kk/aa this way). So unless you are a vastly superior player to the field do you want to fold "knowing" that you are ahead? If so what is your logic and what situation are you waiting for (you are at worst- in one instance- 50/50 and all others way ahead).

........oh- and I call!

yeh this is a standard call. Oftentimes they'll have AK, other times lower pairs or random hands...KK AA will crop up v rarely. Early doors in tourneys is where you find the most donks and this hand is good enough to take their money.

Some people make the argument that the push represents AK pretty often, which is true, and they don't want to take a coin flip.

AK v QQ is definitely not a coin flip.

Anyone who tells you this is lying to you and you should mock them for being a kipper.

QQis about a 57% favourite to win v AKos (and about 54% fave vs AK suited). That's a good advantage (bigger than say AT v JQ suited) Once you factor in the other hands people push with you're a bigger favourite than this.

 Anyone who thinks 57 43 is a flip needs to check their coins because they are obviously hideously deformed (the coins, not the players (except in flushy's case))

obviuosly only one case where you are 50/50 and that is whre your opponent has the other qq   never even entered my mind that ak v qq was a coinflip- not sure where you got that idea monsiuer cat !! assumtions can get in in trouble you know...!! ;)

I wouldn't ever make an assumption with you rudders even if I can currently outrun you.

I know you are too savvy to think this and you express your kipperiness in other ways.

 Wasn't referring to your post even though it prob seemed that way. Was just having a general rant. Put it down to too many fruit juices over the weekend!  :cheers:

so if you both have qq you both have a 50% chance of winning the hand? ;carlocitrone;

yes

lost count of the number of times I've seen first hand all ins turn out to be AA. wierd way of playing them but they always seem to get paid off.

fold fold fold.

Scotty Bguyen once said that if someone offered him a 60/40 shot at the start of a tournament, he would turn it down because he can beat the other players asses better over a period of time without risking his chips.

If its good enough for Scotty its good enough for me

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What about us mere mortals who don't have scotty nguyen's skill level and don't habitually play in live deep stacked events?

Paul Phillips(pre his scrabble obsession) and Greg Raymer used to argue that you shouldn't turn down edges even smaller than this. I remember a piece by Paul saying that a player who consistently had his chips in with 60 40 edges would be one of the most successful players around.

Maybe you can turn down edges like this if you are an elite poker player but this is a handful of players. For the rest of us the chips you lose passing the + equity here  are too valuable. Your skill edge is so unlikely to be big enough to compensate (unless you are the next scotty, daniel, phil etc)

completely agree with the sentiments of your post..it has to be said though that I would fold this very easily in a deepstacked event as I believe my edge would be big enough over the all-in guy. In a shorter stacked event I bet ya even Scottie would call this all day long.

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