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Title: Pair of Aces
Post by: Graham C on October 11, 2005, 11:00:09 PM
is it fair to say that you should be betting big time prior to the flop on a pair of aces?

I seem to lose out making lame calls prior to the flop then getting caught out by 2 pairs (not that I always get pocket aces of course) I'm just annoyed at my newbieness sometimes


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: jezza777 on October 11, 2005, 11:08:57 PM
well it depends , the important thing to know is that the more people in the pot the less chance you have of winning . So it is usually a good idea to raise or reraise with them preflop to hopefully get it heads up or just 2 callers. If you are 1st or early to act though you can limp with them and hope for a raise so you can reraise. if you do limp in though and see a multiway pot you have to be prepared to lay them down against a co-ordinated board or if there is a lot of action.
just my thoughts for what they are worth
good luck


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: Graham C on October 11, 2005, 11:10:13 PM
cheers

its just frustrating sometimes   >:(


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: TightEnd on October 11, 2005, 11:13:39 PM
you've got to raise most of the time to thin the number of players down, in a tournament situation. AA is 88% favourite vs 1 random hand, but that %age falls away proportionately with the number of extra callers you get

you can get fancy and limp, hoping a raise comes behind you and then re-raise, but there's not much deception about what you've got. Whereas with a standard raise people might put you on a wider range of hands or an outright steal if you are in late position

if you limp and see a multi way pot, you must define your hand quickly by betting and BE PREPARED TO FOLD in the face of heavy action. This is crucial!

good luck!



Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: Graham C on October 11, 2005, 11:18:50 PM
thanks, I'll get there


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 11, 2005, 11:21:28 PM
My theory is that it is nearly always correct to raise because if someone has a hand that will raise after you've limped in, then you'll probably get action from them anyhow.


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: jezza777 on October 11, 2005, 11:33:36 PM
See you point snoopy but one of the benefits of limping is from early is that if u get a raise from say seat 6 and a call from the cutoff and bb then you can really push the boat out hopefully still get one caller and the pot is swollen from the other 2 calls. Worse case senario all 3 call but you are still a favourite to win the hand v 3 players. just my opinion


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: The Baron on October 12, 2005, 01:26:40 AM
If you are playing pot limit, sometimes the early position limp works best as Mr End explains. In NL just raise straight off if you are unsure.


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 12, 2005, 01:31:07 AM
I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: RobS on October 12, 2005, 01:35:02 AM
See you point snoopy but one of the benefits of limping is from early is that if u get a raise from say seat 6 and a call from the cutoff and bb then you can really push the boat out hopefully still get one caller and the pot is swollen from the other 2 calls. Worse case senario all 3 call but you are still a favourite to win the hand v 3 players. just my opinion

This scenario is so unusual though. In fact I can't remember the last time I saw, after an utg limper, a raiser and then two callers. Lovely if it happens, but so rare it shouldn't really be taken into consideration.


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: The Baron on October 12, 2005, 01:45:31 AM
I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: ifm on October 12, 2005, 01:45:55 AM
go allin, there's always some numpty on the net that will call


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 12, 2005, 01:48:33 AM
I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

Reasons to go back to Yoda:

(i) He's a better likeness.  :D ;)
(ii) As a former student of recent years, the whaky backy is more appropriate
(iii) I'm the only one here who is on a par with the Fonze with reagrds to coolness.

Shizzle mi nipples. Yo, hammer time. etc


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: The Baron on October 12, 2005, 01:56:22 AM
I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

Reasons to go back to Yoda:

(i) He's a better likeness.
(ii) As a former student of recent years, the whaky backy is more appropriate
(iii) I'm the only one here who is on a par with the Fonze with reagrds to coolness.

Shizzle mi nipples. Yo, hammer time. etc

Good points well made. I do have the ears..... and a lightsaber.

However, Yoda is 900, his smoking days are all but done.

The Fonz, the king of cool, would be a better poker player IMO.

The Fonz could theoretically go blonde. Yoda has no hair.


Title: Re: Pair of Aces
Post by: Scottish Dave on October 12, 2005, 02:13:39 AM
I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

Reasons to go back to Yoda:

(i) He's a better likeness.
(ii) As a former student of recent years, the whaky backy is more appropriate
(iii) I'm the only one here who is on a par with the Fonze with reagrds to coolness.

Shizzle mi nipples. Yo, hammer time. etc

Good points well made. I do have the ears..... and a lightsaber.

However, Yoda is 900, his smoking days are all but done.

The Fonz, the king of cool, would be a better poker player IMO.

The Fonz could theoretically go blonde. Yoda has no hair.

all very very good points or discusion, Fonz is the man, i can just see him cracking aces and just pulling that comb out, with a wee smirk on his face!