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Just seen this on Pocketfives.
Guy registers to a $5600 HU match by mistake.
What would you do here?

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TL;DR- He chops it up after saying he accidently reg'd w/ most of his friend's money.

Dr. Fells [observer]: why dont u let him fold out to u..and u transfer?
Dealer: IfIHadItAll, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
coolmeod: support will come
Dealer: Game #10422886665: coolmeod wins pot (100)
coolmeod: ill give him his fee back
Dealer: coolmeod, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
Dealer: coolmeod has timed out - hand is folded
coolmeod: ill give u 150 extra
Dealer: Game #10422890780: IfIHadItAll wins pot (100)
Dr. Fells [observer]: does'nt seem to eant to be a decnt guy
Dealer: coolmeod, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
coolmeod: ok?
coolmeod: deal?
Dealer: coolmeod has timed out - hand is folded
Dealer: Game #10422897642: IfIHadItAll wins pot (200)
Dr. Fells [observer]: dont rely on support at this point...try to win imo
coolmeod: i trust him
Dealer: coolmeod, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
coolmeod: its only fair
Dr. Fells [observer]: he siad no
coolmeod: so deal?
Dealer: coolmeod has timed out - hand is folded
Dr. Fells [observer]: u better play
Dealer: Game #10422905640: IfIHadItAll wins pot (100)
Dealer: Limits going up: blinds 75/150
HostMathewV [Support]: Hey players
IfIHadItAll: i never said deal
coolmeod: here he is
coolmeod: stop it please
IfIHadItAll: plz paue
Dealer: IfIHadItAll, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
IfIHadItAll: plz pause
coolmeod: pause
Dealer: The break will start when the current hand finishes
IfIHadItAll: chk this hand down
Dealer: coolmeod has a pair of Jacks
Dealer: IfIHadItAll has two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Dealer: Game #10422913519: IfIHadItAll wins pot (300) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Administrator: .The tournament has been paused to allow the remaining players to discuss a deal.
IfIHadItAll: ok....support
coolmeod: please be reasonable
IfIHadItAll: here's the story
coolmeod: even if u had a bad day
IfIHadItAll: he accidentally registered
IfIHadItAll: or so
coolmeod: host i entered this by mistake
HostMathewV [Support]: yeah, I understand the situation
IfIHadItAll: thats not my fault
coolmeod: i wasnt registered lomger than 20 seconds
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HostMathewV [Support]: unfortunately we can't do anything about that
IfIHadItAll: support
IfIHadItAll: can i ask what a chip breakdwon would be
coolmeod: im willing to give him his fee
HostMathewV [Support]: sure, just a sec
coolmeod: and up to 200 for the mistake
IfIHadItAll: we're going to get a chip breakdown
coolmeod: if i
coolmeod: come on
HostMathewV [Support]: ok here we go - IfIHadItAll $6,730.00 , coolmeod $4,270.00
coolmeod: i told u its not my money
IfIHadItAll: i accept that deal
coolmeod: i only own 800 from this
IfIHadItAll: that's the deal, take it or play
coolmeod: 6000k for him 5000k for me its what i can accept
IfIHadItAll: u lose 1300 based off that
coolmeod: im giving u a lot
coolmeod: u saw how many hands i didnt bet the nuts
coolmeod: come on
IfIHadItAll: i would never have called those hands
coolmeod: i had a boat
coolmeod: didnt bet
IfIHadItAll: accept the deal
IfIHadItAll: or play
coolmeod: i never raised
IfIHadItAll: im sorry you made a mistake
coolmeod: if i come on
coolmeod: im beggin you
IfIHadItAll: im willing to do a chip breakdown for you
IfIHadItAll: which means u only lose 1300 and change
coolmeod: im willing to lose all the money i own
IfIHadItAll: which is easily fair
coolmeod: i cant give away money thats not mine
IfIHadItAll: are you playing on someone else's acct?
coolmeod: i can only lose 800 plzzzzz
coolmeod: no its mine
IfIHadItAll: then its your $
coolmeod: just someone has money here to be safe
coolmeod: see how bad would i look
Chisness [observer]: lll
coolmeod: what can i telll my friend
coolmeod: come on
Chisness [observer]: dbo
IfIHadItAll: im sorry
coolmeod: its 800 mine
coolmeod: the rest is him
IfIHadItAll: take a $1300+ loss and pay him $500 later
coolmeod: he tranfers here and i give it back
coolmeod: wow
coolmeod: come on im beggin you
IfIHadItAll: im being fair
Chisness [observer]: who's in the pic?
Dr. Fells [observer]: why not give the kid a break, huh?
coolmeod: u are not fai
coolmeod: uu know i never bet
coolmeod: never
coolmeod: i just made time for support
Dr. Fells [observer]: only reason u have the xtra chips was casue of the checked down hand anyway
IfIHadItAll: im sorry sir
coolmeod: give me something better so i can accept
ThePabloShow [observer]: dude do u want him to kiull himself
coolmeod: the last 250 hands was not fair
coolmeod: dont say sir
ThePabloShow [observer]: do u know how much 800 is for a 50$ player?
coolmeod: pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
Dr. Fells [observer]: coolmeod..there are nice people in this world..and not so nice...this guys bot budgubg...either give him the $1300 or play
IfIHadItAll: well maybe he shouldnt register for a $5600 tourney
coolmeod: i just went up to 50
coolmeod: i played 30
Dr. Fells [observer]: he's not going to help u
HostMathewV [Support]: I'm turning off observer chat
coolmeod: it was a honest mistake
coolmeod: mathwe
coolmeod: cant u cance the whole tournament?
IfIHadItAll: look, im sorry you made the mistake
coolmeod: its not like a 100
IfIHadItAll: but you registered for a $5600 tourney
HostMathewV [Support]: I understand that cool.. the tournament cannot be cancelled. the chips are on the table and hands have been played. We're very sorry
IfIHadItAll: and im willing to chip count this for you
coolmeod: u are sorrry im whilling to give u up to 800
coolmeod: its all i own i told u that all the way
coolmeod: everyone is so sorry
IfIHadItAll: im sorry, i cant pay for your mistake
coolmeod: u are not paying
coolmeod: u are winning
coolmeod: if i had it all
coolmeod: lets make chip count with me having 150 more chips
IfIHadItAll: im willing to accept the chip breakdown that matthew came up for us
coolmeod: just fair agrewe?
IfIHadItAll: no, bc i would have raised w/ k7 last hand anyhow
coolmeod: come on
IfIHadItAll: but since matthew got here i told you to check it down
coolmeod: i sent 5 emails if mathew would have come 10 minutes earlier we would be tied
coolmeod: he was here before
coolmeod: u said pause and then call
IfIHadItAll: its best you take $4200 instead of 0
coolmeod: give me 1250 in chips
IfIHadItAll: now you want to play it out?
IfIHadItAll: just take the chip count deal, pay your friend his $
IfIHadItAll: and find a way to pay him $500 offline
coolmeod: 1250 is more than reasonable
coolmeod: please
IfIHadItAll: im not re-starting this giving you more chips
coolmeod: we dont have to restart
IfIHadItAll: u just said u wanted to go to 1250 in chips
coolmeod: let me have 4600 dollars ok?
coolmeod: he can do the deal as if i had 1250 chips
coolmeod: he can do ANYTHING but cancel it
IfIHadItAll: take $4270
IfIHadItAll: as it says
coolmeod: right host?
HostMathewV [Support]: that's pretty much correct. I can place whatever numbers in, but I cannot cancel the tourney
Administrator: $16 turbo Double Shootout to Sunday's $370 WSOP Qualifier [150 seats guaranteed!] starts in 10 minutes. To register see T52342212 under the Events/WSOP/Cash Satellites tab. One seat guaranteed.
IfIHadItAll: im not giving you more chips
coolmeod: can we have chip count with me having 1250
coolmeod: him 1750
coolmeod: can we have thse numbers
HostMathewV [Support]: sure.. are you still willing to give him the extra $200 with those number haditall?
IfIHadItAll: dude i would have raised and you would have folded last hand
IfIHadItAll: no im sorry
HostMathewV [Support]: no problem.
IfIHadItAll: im being extremely fair
coolmeod: u are?
IfIHadItAll: allowing for a chip count deal
coolmeod: say: i swear im being fair...i want life to judge me as fair as i am
coolmeod: say that and u have the deal
IfIHadItAll: i do swear im being fair
coolmeod: ok deal
coolmeod: i agree to the ************** chip count
IfIHadItAll: 6730 to me
coolmeod: whatever mathew said
IfIHadItAll: i agree to 6730 to me
HostMathewV [Support]: OK, I'll just reiterate those numbers
HostMathewV [Support]: note that I got these numbers from percentage of chip counts and then gave cool and extra $200 per haditall's request
IfIHadItAll: no no no
coolmeod: wow
IfIHadItAll: i never said an extra 200
HostMathewV [Support]: oh sorry.. I believed you said that previously
coolmeod: ifihad it all do u relize the image u are crating for urself?
coolmeod: all high stakes people are watching this
IfIHadItAll: this will be on 2+2 im sure
IfIHadItAll: look, im sorry that you made a mistake
HostMathewV [Support]: ok, I will do it by chip count.. just a second
IfIHadItAll: and for that
IfIHadItAll: im allowing for a chip count deal
coolmeod: u are not sorry
coolmeod: u are being a thief
HostMathewV [Support]: sure - here they are - IfIHadItAll $6,930.00 , coolmeod $4,070.00
HostMathewV [Support]: sorry about the previous mix-up
IfIHadItAll: 6930 to me, i had clicked a typo before
coolmeod: sure ill also will have to forgive u the 10 minutes it took u to come here
HostMathewV [Support]: no problem.
IfIHadItAll: do u agree to 6930/4070
IfIHadItAll: i agree
coolmeod: ifihad...take 10 seconds and put urself in my sit
IfIHadItAll: honestly if i was in your seat
IfIHadItAll: id be ecstatic was getting 4070 back
coolmeod: and tell me you would think the other person was being reaonable
coolmeod: i could have won
coolmeod: if we had same stacks it was a toss with the blinds
coolmeod: i told u since the beggining
coolmeod: before a hand was dealt
coolmeod: put urself in my place
IfIHadItAll: yes i understand that
IfIHadItAll: but support did not get here
IfIHadItAll: and i had to protect myself
IfIHadItAll: and had to play it out
coolmeod: if u want we cant talk on msn or email
IfIHadItAll: unsure if a deal would ever take place
coolmeod: u didnt had anything to lose
coolmeod: usure
IfIHadItAll: i certainly had a lot to lose
coolmeod: i told u i email support 4 times
IfIHadItAll: you could have been angle shooting
coolmeod: i never lied to you
IfIHadItAll: i dont know you
coolmeod: im not
IfIHadItAll: i have to protect myself in this spot
coolmeod: u are protected
coolmeod: u always have been
IfIHadItAll: please either accept the deal or lets play it out
coolmeod: just be more resonable plese if you can
IfIHadItAll: im being reasonable and my position will not change
coolmeod: add me on msn msn address removed by moderator
coolmeod: or email me
IfIHadItAll: sir, please make a decision
coolmeod: why couldnt have been elky or stevebets the one who sat down
coolmeod: where did u learn to say sir?
coolmeod: sir = being decent
coolmeod: thats the point
IfIHadItAll: deal or no deal?
coolmeod: deal
IfIHadItAll: ok 6930 to me, 4070 to him matthew
coolmeod: and let karma have the last word
IfIHadItAll: sorry
HostMathewV [Support]: OK, so it's - IfIHadItAll $6,930.00 , coolmeod $4,070.00
coolmeod: if i was you i would withdraw inmediatly
HostMathewV [Support]: Please type "I Agree" if you agree to this deal.
IfIHadItAll: i agree
coolmeod: what a man can do to offset 3% of his loses
coolmeod: i agree
HostMathewV [Support]: Ok, that's a deal players. You will have to play out the tournament, and I will fix the numbers afterwards.
coolmeod: mathew email me please with someone i can talk to about this situation
IfIHadItAll: play out the tourney with nothing at stake?
coolmeod: at stake is ur IMAGE
Dealer: coolmeod, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
Dealer: coolmeod, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
coolmeod: when u lose another 36 k playingt poker
HostMathewV [Support]: sure cool, just email me now with your question and the email will come straight into my box.
coolmeod: remmeber this time
Dealer: coolmeod has timed out - hand is folded
Dealer: Game #10423294205: IfIHadItAll wins pot (300)
coolmeod: ok i will
Dealer: IfIHadItAll, it's your turn. You have 12 seconds to act
Dealer: coolmeod has a pair of Jacks
Dealer: IfIHadItAll has three of a kind, Jacks
IfIHadItAll: i would have won
Dealer: Game #10423306458: IfIHadItAll wins pot (1920) with three of a kind, Jacks
Dealer: coolmeod finished the tournament in 2nd place
Dealer: IfIHadItAll wins the tournament - congratulations!
IfIHadItAll [observer]: u got 4k
coolmeod [observer]: thaknks to the ones who tried to help me
coolmeod [observer]: pabloshow and the others
coolmeod [observer]: go away little rat
ThePabloShow [observer]: no prob
ThePabloShow [observer]: good luck man
coolmeod [observer]: u will see the games u will get from now on
Dr. Fells [observer]: yea..we tried
Dr. Fells [observer]: guys a lowlife
ThePabloShow [observer]: was it JMs money?
Dr. Fells [observer]: nothing u can do
coolmeod [observer]: i cant say more here
coolmeod [observer]: i was decent about it the whole way
coolmeod [observer]: i had a boat and other great hands
coolmeod [observer]: he is just a loser
Dr. Fells [observer]: yup...like u said...u got the wrong opponent
coolmeod [observer]: and found a way to make up 3% of his loses 
 

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I dont blame the other guy for playing hardball .... he doesnt know the other fella so whats he meant to do.

The idiot should not register on a heads up table of those stakes in the first place ... wtf was he thinking ?

sounds like he told him the score before the first hand was dealt.  I'd have given him a break as long as I got my $600 back.

Yeah, the other guy was bang out of order IMO, if the guy has told you before the first hand it was an accident, and you both sat out while he emailed support i would be more than happy as long as i got my buyin fee back on top.

I understand Haditall's cautious approach to begin with
but when Cool started begging and time went on I would have been convinced
of his mistake.

 Td Th

how does a $50 player sit at a 5k table by mistake LOL

100% scumbag.  I hope he goes broke at some point . 

its a bit of a jump for ihaveitall too his average is 675$ and he is 31k down from the 474 he has played guess he saw this as some eacy money for once

Daft mistake to sit at the table in the first place.  Not sure how he managed that, or if it was 100% an accident.

His opponent had every right to be suspicious to start with, but once it became clear that he wasn't trying to angle shoot he could have been more accommodating.  He didn't do anything 'wrong' though...

It was a daft mistake, but it was a mistake.  He should have been given the fee back and then been happy to let the guy out of it.   I don't think any Blondes would make a guy deal like this,  well I hope none would.  It was a mistake.   I always thought there was some honour in poker, but seeing things like this makes me wonder. 

How do you accidentally sit down at a $5K HU table though?  Maybe he was messing about, showing off to his mates or something - not expecting someone else to sit down?  Doesn't make sense to me - but neither does making the mistake legitimately.

Oh that must really suck for him.  HaditAll could have been more helpful, even if he was sceptical to start with, it was sure pretty convincing when the support got there, if it were me, I'd just accept it so long as I didn't lose out in any way.  Saying that, it's a big boys game this, you don't think about sitting at games you can't afford to sit at, there are even filters on Stars for this sort of thing.

I feel sorry for him, I'd hate to make a mistake like that, I know what it's like to lose a lot of money and it really does make you feel like shit for days.  He's a genuine guy and I hope he sorts himself out from this mistake.

on stars its easy to make the mistake if your not watching what your doing you click to sit in a game and another game pops up as the lobby is always moving then you dont read the check box

i have sat down in wrong games before never that much though as i use the new sectioned part when signing up to a sng

I have clicked on the wrong game a few times on the old tribeca software, but I am usually doing 3000 things at once and it was my fault. 

Well firstly what a stupid mistake to register in a $5600 game, i mean you have to get the tourney lobby and the lot on ftp to register its about 4 clicks. Secondly they have filters to stop this ever happening, when i use to play on there the only sng's they used to appear in the lobby were my exact buyin and only the turbo nlhe tournies.

As for the morales of this i agree that in principle he should just ship him the money back minus the fee which ifihaditall should get. In these days of internet poker though you have to be careful as there are so many angle shooters and i would not trust any random person. Once support get there i would sort out the chop but i would play to win if they didn't intervene. Though im not saying it is correct alot of players in IfIhaditall situation would have been even nastier and played on or played even more hardball on the chop.

I must say i registered for plenty of big buy in MTT's by mistake on the old tribeca software but i could never make a mistake as big as his (slightly less in my account).

he was very fair to give a chip based chop

LOL

LOL   misclickaments!!

( Taken from Pocket 5's )





Yes it was me the guy who signed up for a 5.5k hu TURBO  by mistake.

First of all let me start saying that english is not my first language, thats why i may sound "funny" or like a kid.

I Didnt post until now because i wanted to post while being calm and not and hour after the match. I Also was waiting for stars to send me the complete hand history with the complete chat (till the moment they havent been able to send it). I will postwhat i have here...all the talk before cards were dealt is missing though, there i told him about the mistake and ask him to help me get out of this one, i might have also offered to cover his entry feeat that point.

To answer some of your questions:

HOW DO YOU SIGN UP FOR A 5.5 K HU match by mistake?

I play only hu matches in stars so i have the lobby filtered just to show HU HOLDEM SNGS,many times i two table them. As of late i went up to the 55 HU matches, while making the transition to this new level i have been playing 2 at a time one $33 and one $55, always signing up at the same time. In this case i had just finished the second match i had going on and i went to the lobby as quick as i could to sign up for another $33 and a $55 in case the person i had just played would sign up again. If you have ever played HU SNGS on stars you know that its a rare thing but sometimes for some strange reason when you open a HU SNG lobby and and it just got full the main lobby jumpes all the way up. So me being in a hurry to be able to play the same guy again i go to the lobby and quickly hit where the $55 tournie was just 2 seconds ago and i click register and inmidiately go to sign up for the $33 i had opened 10 seconds ago. For some reason which i never do i went to cashier to see something and i saw my account down to less than $800, my first though was i been hacked...then quickly i though what if i signed up for a higher HU, so i opened the first tab and i unregister first..it was the other tournie unfortunately, inmidiately as im going to the other lobby the table pops up i looked at the lobby and it was a 5.5k.

(according to this link other people have almost made that same mistake, because of the strange menu going up thing)

 http://www.tightpoker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10175

I didn't do it to brag or take a screen shot, if i would have wanted to do that i would go to a cash table were u can actually sit and take a screen shot in the same table as, menlo, actionjeff , bax or any of those great players.

I ask to all of you to put yourself in my shoes... i have always followed a strict bankroll managment, suddenly im sitting playing a game 100 TIMES BIGGER THAN THE BIGGEST GAME I HAD PLAYED TO DATE.

 Things i did to try to get out of this bad situation:

1- I told the guy inmidiately...even before any card was dealt that i had made a mistake.

2- I wanted to take as much time as possible so i used all my time bank, when this expired i limped on some hands just o be able to take more time in the flop and other streets if he didnt bet.

3- I told him he should sharkscope me to see that from the 800 HU matches that i have played the biggest ones were$50 and the average was $25. (He said he didnt had searches left... for a guy who is willing to play a 5.5k and have no searches it doesnt sound so logical)

4- i offered him to make a deal... i told him i would pay his entry fee, then his entry fee and 100, 200 and so up to 800.

5  -i told him i have emailed support up to 4 times, and we should sit out ( he declined)

6 - I asked him if he knew any "regular" high stakes players, maybe we knew a guy in common and this could help him trust me. He didnt even answer

7 -i gave him my email and told him we could talk on msn or something. He iddnt answer.

8-  30  hands were dealt before the match was stopped...i raised preflop 1 time, reraised post flop 1 time and minbet river 1 time,  and i call checked hands where i had two pair on the flop and one when i had the high full house... he bet to me with 75 (nothing)

9-  when support finally was there... and he told me to check the hand down i did.


What did he offered to me:

- He told me i could sit out, blind out and he would transfer me back HALF THE BUY IN, this while we were equal on chips.

- He said sorry i have lost a lot tonight. (6 of the last 7 matches..starting at $100 all the way up to $1000)

WHAT ELSE COULD I HAVE DONE, TO LET HIM KNOW IM NOT TRYING TO MAKE A MOVE ON HIM WHILE NOT CHIPPING DOWN TOO MUCH?  all suggestions are accepted on this point. (At the same time i was emailing stars 5 or 6 times....talking or beggin in the chat as you wish to say it and "playing" the turbo match..i swear thats hard to do with all the uncertanty... if i had to do it again i might not have not made  the only river bet i made and the preflop raise, but probably i did that as an automatic move while i was emailing stars)

If i had been on any other site, i would have had to play it out when i had a sign he didn't wanted any kinda deal, but being Stars the site in question i knew i had chopped a couple of 4 way hu SNGs in the past when blinds got very high and it took them less than 10 minutes to be on the table. I also knew that he wasn't saying anything like...he didnt wanted any deal period and he did asked where support was to make a deal, and i told him i emailed them already 4 times they should be there any second.

If you take a closer look 4 hands before the tournament is stopped we are basically equal in chips... the next 3 hands i fold timing out and the last hand  when the blinds were 75 150, he limps after he knew the tournament was going to be stopped and asks me to check it down which i did. Just so u get an idea this last 150 chips which were mine when we asked for the tourney to be stopped are  worth $550 dollars, so if he would have folded that hand as i did the previous 3 or if he had admitted that it would be fair to see a chip count with the chip count before than hand i would have lost $550 less, which is a lot of money for someone who just went up to play $50 SNG.


I tried to put myself on his shoes, i been told he has had his account hacked before so i understand he had to be careful, but almost all the signs would tell him i wasnt trying to angle him. People on the rail noticed this as well (to chat on the rail here u have to have a buy in so its people who know and watch or maybe even play this kinda games usually).

If you read the whole chat when the table is stopped you can see that when its clear to him that i did all i said ( brought support to the table, check it down when he asked, call with 2 pair and  full house) he still wont take any consideration on the situation even fighting for $200 that the support guy made a mistake with.

Why some people say i was lucky i got back 4k? thats exactly what my stack was worth it after 3 folds and a checkdown. When the shortstacks and the  chipleader make a deal on the Sunday Million is he being really nice to the others? are the shortstacks being lucky? or just doing what he thinks is best for them at the time?.

As to what i said about the money being mine or not, lets say that its all mine. If he isnt trusting me why would he trust more a friend of the guy who he thinks is angling him. Also im not going to say how important or not is that money for me, that shouldnt influence his decision. Lets just say it was a big part of the bankroll i built.. starting with about $1 and playing the lowest games available.

I respect anyones position on what they would have done in this case, but to me is frustrating because i know i would have never taken advantage of that situation. Just 2 examples to  kinda "prove" this:

- A well known player account was hacked like a month ago, while i barely knew this guy i went out of my way to try to help him, emailing and PMing the sites and their representatives to try to get his money back, which worked cause this was done very fast, and he got around 7k back. I didn't do it for the recognition or expecting any money from the situation, just did it because i saw a desperate person needing help, which i could provide.

http://www.pocketfives.com/E654A35B-00C2-44DF-9494-52AF724873FE.aspx

- Once i was lucky enough to play a top ranked player from P5s  HU 3 $20 straight matches... on the third match that person disconnected i was winning ... i sat out for 10 minutes and when it was obvious nobody was coming back i won the tournie... next time i saw this player i offered  to transfer the buy in back  which was not accepted because $20 is nothing for this player.

- Im not mother Theresa or anything... if someone i dont know disconnects and i know its just one of their usual buy ins i probably finish the match and i dont look for them after, if i had been playing that person before  or for 2 or 3 matches i give it back for sure. This isnt really the case here cause i didnt entered the 5.5k match on purpose it was a huge mistake and very bad timing because i wasnt registered for more than 25 seconds and normally players sit there for hours without getting a match started. If this guy saw someone from the lower stakes was there and try to take advantage, thats up to him (although according to him he didnt had any sharkscope searches), but i dont think he should play the: "i was a very good, very fair and very  decent person" card he should just admit he had a chance to make up for earlier losses that day and he took advantage of it.

I was also very unfortunate that after 3 or 4 emails to support, where i asked in all of them for a support guy to come to the table (with subjects from urgent to ULTRAURGENT), that they choose to answer the email instead of going to the table....therefore i had to send 2 more emails asking for someone from support to come to the table. This few minutes were crucial as well cause blinds went up to a point where each big blind equaled 550 dollars. Stars and i have been talking on this point and maybe they can do something, at least fix the thing were the lobby goes all the way up or wonder why they didnt went to the table instead of answering the email or doing both.

I appreciate any opinions, for or against... as long as they are serious since this was definatly a serious matter to me.

IFIHADITALL ... if you wish to talk in private you can PM me in p5s, 2+2, or im sure u know how u can get my aim. Anything i said here is not to make you look bad, is just my honest side of the story...you can post your hand history and any "lies" i have posted as well if you wish. If i said anything offensive to you after the deal, forgive me just imagine how upset i was about all the situation

Here it is the hand history with WHAT WAS SAID THE MINUTE BEFORE THE MATCH STARTED (only i talked that minute) and during the dealmeaking...THIS ISALL THAT WAS SAID TILL A "DEAL" WS STRUCKED


    coolmeod     hey!!!!    1     6/13/2007 8:57:38 PM
    coolmeod     i made a mistake    1     6/13/2007 8:57:46 PM
    coolmeod     i enetered this instead of a 50    1     6/13/2007 8:57:53 PM
    coolmeod     can we call support    1     6/13/2007 8:57:58 PM
    coolmeod     ill guess ill pay gfor ur entry    1     6/13/2007 8:58:06 PM
    coolmeod     please    1     6/13/2007 8:58:08 PM
    IfIHadItAll     uhh no?    2     6/13/2007 8:58:30 PM

lmfao @ misclickaments   = GEnious

if coolmeod played this donator ifihaditall he would probably have been a 4/7 shot in my book

Wish i could take credit for this:

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I'm gonna transfer tis to General Discussion, it deserves wider audience!

grrr, was half way thru posting when the thread disappeared!!  ;tk;

I don't understand why the other guy wouldn't take the buy-in fee + 800. I would have settled for that without playing a hand.

To be honest...I also think people should pay attention what they register for..as soon as the little grey box pops up you have to checl it to confirm it is what you want to play. I have had it several times that it was another tourney than I wanted to play so I clicked cancel

It's very easy to misclick on many sites. The games are filling up so they are all jiggling about on the list, you go to click on '$50 donkey go' and by the time you're clicking the space is occupied by '$5000 argument over karma'.
This bit is the site's fault. It's just too easy to click the wrong box. Filters tend to help a lot. The confirmation box removes their blame kinda, but after a while you just don't read it. When I was doing $20 heads up I did it twice, once to $200 and once to $400. I only found out about it when the endbox said 'congratulations, you have won $800'. Both times I was amazed by the donks at that level, I thought they would all be amazing.
10/10 for hilarity, sir.

Sites should probably have an extra confirmation stage(big red box with warning on it) if you try and enter a tournament at 10 x your typical level to stop this sort of thing happening.

The LOL misclickament graphs are fantastic. I thought I'd got past the stage of reducing everything I say to the basic formula LOL [keyword] aments but it is still too funny.

I loved it when Barry Greenstein sheepishly said LOL donkaments after schooling Erick Lindgren on HSP.

I don't mind so much when you misclick up a few levels, forces you to play above your game. It's when you enter a tourney and misclick to 'LIMIT TOURNEY' OMGWTF. People click into these things deliberately? Like drawing teeth with loose rusty pliers, just awful. 'Please, I'll do any deal you like, just let me OUT!'

an animated version of totalise's avatar?

lol no, they are differnt graphs, but equally resplendant in their downswings

Pokerstars does - it has a grey box which appears asking you to confirm if you have to agree to pay the entry fee and you have to click on another dot next to where it gives the entry fee before pressing ok again.


Then you have no excuse when something goes wrong. Its there for a reason if you choose to ignore it then you can have no complaints if someone doesnt want to play ball with you.

Just like people who say "i never read the smallprint".

I think this is less about how he got himself into the situation, more about the other chaps reaction when he tried to get out of it.
It's pretty obvious the poor fella was in a panic trying everything he could to save his roll but equally obvious the other guy just wasn't interested.
I think he shoulda took a bit off him as a penalty if you like but i think he took the p**s in the end, if support had been there 5 mins earlier it would have been a close chop.
The debate really is whether it is right to be totally ruthless in poker or to have some compassion.
That is a great question and one that's difficult to answer, at the time the chap said he was well down on the day, maybe he had a right to get as much as possible?

The one that seems to be getting all the flak entered the 5k game fully prepared to put his entry on the line in a game of poker ... He entered the table second and regardless of what your oppo is typing in the chat box, he is perfectly within his rights to expect the game to be played out.

The fact that he agreed to any sort of deal should be to his credit, he was under NO obligation to do any such thing.

I completely agree with Kev here. This guy was under no obligation to deal at all. If it was me, I would have said "tough shit" and played the game from the start with no inkling of a deal.

If you sit down in a 5K heads-up table by mistake, you are not meant to play online poker.

He had no idea who this other geezer was who wanted to stop the game, he could be someone sticking his mortgage money on the line and he a change of heart, his kids college fund, anything. You take everything people say online with a pinch of salt.

Thank heavens for the last 2 posts, I was wondering whether I was being too tough on the chap. He sat down on a $5k table and went through the rigmorale of confirming his decision. Who's to know he then found out who he was up against and thought to himself, nope I don't fancy my chances against this guy.

No he's not under any obligation to deal but personally I would ship the money back.

People make mistakes and I can only imagine how he felt putting his whole bankroll on one heads up match accidentally.

Yes it was his own fault and he's a noob for registering but I'd like to think I'd show a bit of class and ship him the dough back once support arrived

Would of only taken 2 minutes for him to check coolmeod's sharkscope to see he wasn't messin with him,  A little wrong IMO

So you'd have played it out?
That is ruthless LOL

quick question..as I said I would have let the guy pay me off cheap but..how is this different from chucking too many chips in the pot after making a misread? "Oh sorry I thought I had aces instead of Ace 4 off, please cabn i have my money back?"

I would give the money back.  No question.  It probably took him ages to build up that roll, it is sad to take it away because the poor guy made an error.

My response is based on the assumption that the guy who made the mistake immediately mentioned this before a hand was dealt, and that he did in fact try and get support to the table straight away.

There are two kinds of people in the world - decent, and otherwise.  The decent ones give him his money back, minus their loss on tournament fees.  Everyone else does not.

Like finding a wallet in the street with £500 cash in it, and loads of ID.  The decent ones trace the owner and return it, including the cash.  The others say "Well, shouldn't have lost it in the first place." and steal the money.

Unfortunately, Earth 2007 looks after the latter group, while the former lose out.

life's not black and white like that, i take the money then hand the wallet in to a police station so the guy doesn't have to go through the drama of replacing all his cards ;angel;

The wallet analogy is a nonsense one... it is nothing like this situation.

At the end of the day, the reluctant player got a right result in getting any sort of deal ... And if he had got dealt aces and the other bloke kings and they limped in and hit a flop of AAK would he have checked it down and carried on pleading ...

Plus ... what would happen if the other guy had a chat ban or didnt use chat ?

He sat at the table of his own free will and got his arse singed .. he was damn lucky he didnt get it burnt beyond recognition.

That is about what i was going to post. This guy could have been trying to put me off my game, im not going to go out of my way when im trying to concentrate on a HU match, whoever said you have to be ruthless in this game at times you are TOTALLY right, if anyone thinks what i have said is harsh then tough!

I probably wouldnt chat at the table, but if support came in i would probably say yeh, break please and end up taking a chop

I am with Kev on this one if it was a matter of stupidity or any other scenario then they have to go with it

this guy says he has only 800 to give out in the account and it is his account , then he is either lying or someone is chip dumping or he is in big chit with big people hehe

The way i see it is if you register for a game you have to click more than 1 button so you have to go with your actions
If it was myself playing him and he begged to get out of the game i would of said

"They all do mate" LOL 

I guess I know who the "quick clickers" are on this site when I get a disconnect lol.

Being a human being before a poker player I would have took my fees back.
I want to win and can be a bad loser sometimes as losing can really hurt my ego, but not at all costs.

Not fair!

If someone is d/c, it is connection or something beyond his control and I would always wait, I have done in the past and will do so, Red_Dog is the master at this, I have seen him HU in a big comp doing such and I think its the right thing to do.

Maybe its Karma and why I get unlucky so often.  But I'd be a total scumbag, I'd have insisted in playing the game out.

Similarly if it was a tournament and guy was heads up and disconnected i'd be raising every hand :)

Just went to register in a HU game on stars, and I got the $5000 HU lobby appear, this does happen a lot on stars...normally when you are trying to catch the last seat in a SNG and you get some empty obscure lobby instead and miss it.

Have you qualified Zeb?

Lol if someone else disconnects when you are playing HU you sit out?

Ok lets wait 10 minutes for them to come back so we can play 200/400 blinds

I think I'm generally a nice guy but disconnects in HU games usually get no mercy. It's rape and pillage time. 99.9999% of people will do this to you. It's just the way poker is and I expect people to be raising the crap out of my blinds if I disconnect. Part of good online poker strategy is to have a stable connection and set up.

If my connection>their connection, I have outplayed them. GG WP.

There are some people who I play regularly enough to know that we would wait for each other but these are the exception.

I think though if I were faced with the situation this guy was in, ie facing an opponent obviously not pulling a scam but who has misclicked, I'd probably give him his money back, less a small fee for wasting my time, maybe rake + 5% or something.

Having said that the guy does not deserve any special treatment, he made a silly error and learnt a lesson he is unlikely to forget. He has no one to blame but himself.

the thing is, its only apparent now that we have seen it, now that weve seen him accept the deal, and seen his chat post deal, and seen that he was genuine... so its being slightly results orientated. If the low roller sat out and then <insert scummy activity here>  and won everyone would be telling the "pro" how much of an idiot he was for trying to do someone a favour.

I'd guesstimate that he woulda been a  3 to 1 dog if it got played out, having chosen that the best strategy was a tight/scared shitless stlye-e while he was busy waiting for support.

I would say that he is lucky to get 4k back and should stop bitchin.
Particulary the part where he lost the final pot which his opponent was kind enough to offer to check down, rather than just raising for 150 free chips.

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I wouldn't condem this player for taking the guy's money here. he didn't break the rules, all he did was take advantage of a mistake.

Having said that, there is no way I could have done it. I couldn't bring myself to take money from someone who had obviously made a mistake and didn't want to play.

What if his chat had been turned off????

I feel that the lad who deliberetly registered was more than generous
just mho

I was playing heads up on the old tribecca network, a player got disconnected and i proceeded in raising every hand, the guy then came on to the chat box and said "im here but i cant play a hand please stop playing".  It was pretty bad he was getting really upset as i kept going, now was this the right thing to do should i have given him chance to come back...maybe but i checked my notes when he first begged me to stop and it had the usual stuff about his play then said total c*** gave me rubdown when cracked my AA. 

My WP GG at the end i admit was harsh...

Harsh is not the word I would use, nice one though

I would let the fella out, it's a bit harsh to pounce on his misclick.


On the subject of HU, how bad do i run? Beaten by the rake!

LMFAO!!!
What happened to the $15??

So that's why Matt always has money to splash around...

Sorry..if I'm a 5g player and and a $50 peep sits....it's christmas...we've all been f*cked over in life too many times to pass this one!

It was only a matter of time till u won a comp that didn't cover your buyins.

s'ok panth....i used to cover em on the 70/30s

PMSL.

IMHO i think both sides are reasonable. I would have given the kid the benefit of the doubt but can totally understand those who dont.

LOL. Sorry about that dude. I'll ship it back to you in the morning and ask how that could possibly happen.

Hi there.......very rarely post...normally lurk but found this debate interesting.

Personally my philosphy is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", so I would retunr the money less my fee. 

I believe in karma generating positive thoughts and hopefully, in the end, good things will happen to good people (perhaps this is overly optimistic but I'm sticking to it)