Title: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Triple X on October 12, 2005, 11:37:58 PM As some of you may be aware from 6pm tonight to 7pm tomorrow it is Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) - the holiest day in the Jewish Calendar. Put simply it is a day where you fast for 25 hrs (nothing allowed not even water) and you should not do anything such as drive, watch TV etc, turn on lights, shave, write etc etc (nothing which involves working, or using energy etc). You are meant to use this day for repenting all your sins over the previous year since the last Yom Kippur, and should either be in synangogue praying or at home quietly contemplating.
Obviously there are various stages of how orthodox one is and whilst i wont drive, and will certainly be fasting, i will watch tv and do some of the lesser like use the computer. This is fairly common of the majority of jews in the UK, who are only fairly observant at best. In fact i am probably more observant than most. However, it is now 11.30pm and i am itching to play a quick SNG online. I have to date resisted as I think him up above will probably view gambling as quite a bad vice in the scheme of things. Do i really have to wait till tomorrow evening or do you think he wont mind me sneaking in a quick game and it wont affect all my repenting etc. Please cast your votes now Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Graham C on October 12, 2005, 11:48:57 PM a quick game wouldnt hurt anyone
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: bobby1 on October 12, 2005, 11:51:28 PM Its a very interesting point Mr X but one I lack enough knowledge in to offer good advice but as with other things that we do that maybe we shouldnt it would depend on your mental approach to dealing with playing poker over your religious beliefs.
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: M POWER on October 12, 2005, 11:53:33 PM I can't answer regarding any religion But tonight if you do play a STT and do ok then fine.
If you get run over tomorrow or Break you leg just put it down to the Poker Gods For those times you've won with rags v ah asp Regards M Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: M POWER on October 13, 2005, 12:06:35 AM I would Also PM Karabiner because I think he's one too.
If you can't get hold of him he's proberly gone Lap Dancing Hope this helps :)up Regards M Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: bobby1 on October 13, 2005, 12:10:46 AM lol, im tickl ;Ded
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Karabiner on October 13, 2005, 12:14:21 AM Personally I am not observant. But I am comfortable with that. I believe each individual should live according to the principles that he/she is most comfortable with. I wish you well over the fast. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: AceofWands on October 13, 2005, 01:12:53 AM To allow threads on religion is dangerous precedent.
I personally think religion and politics are two subjects that should be off-limits on this board. ac Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Royal Flush on October 13, 2005, 01:18:14 AM To allow threads on religion is dangerous precedent. I personally think religion and politics are two subjects that should be off-limits on this board. ac although this thread is safe, i have to agree. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: ifm on October 13, 2005, 01:19:05 AM and football
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Robert HM on October 13, 2005, 01:24:27 AM and poker
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: bobby1 on October 13, 2005, 01:25:57 AM What about porn nicknames and pigtails?
and briefs? Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Robert HM on October 13, 2005, 01:27:51 AM What about porn nicknames and pigtails? and briefs? Do you hair as you wish, wear what you wish and call yourself stiffybobby1 if you so desire. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: bobby1 on October 13, 2005, 01:30:20 AM Can you see me from there? :o
I think religion is ok especially in the way that this post was started, I found it interesting. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Robert HM on October 13, 2005, 01:33:18 AM I agree, it's fine. I'm no church goer but respect those who do. Wouldn't want to see intolerance creep in though or pushing.
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: tikay on October 13, 2005, 01:34:39 AM Posts about religion? No problemo. That's not to say we would not edit or delete any posts that were non-blonde compliant, but as a subject, it's fine. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not religious, but many are, & they are entitled to discuss the matter. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Ironside on October 13, 2005, 01:45:44 AM i aint religous in the slightest but have no problem with people talking about it, as long as they dont doorstep me and try and covert me its ok with me, politics is a subject that can be debated by adults and as long as people dont start flaming each other i see no reason why we can't debate politcs on blonde
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: The Truth on October 13, 2005, 02:02:11 AM I have to agree. To say no discussion on religion or politics will suit only those who do not have an interest in either of those subjects.
Trying to balance gambling (for that is what poker is) with the accepted doctrines of most recognised faiths can be quite a dilema for the 'religous' poker player. My own beliefs are not common knowledge to many (if any, Angie excepted) on this forum and that is from my stand point the way it should be (for me) however, poker is also a part of my life as is the community on this and other fourums. That is why if somebody is struggling to balance their faith (or the teachingsof their religion) with their poker playing the obvious place to discuss it is on a poker forum or on a faith/religion based forum. If the subject has no appeal then fine, don't add to the thread. Another member of the forum community may however be able to share their view, experience or insight to help the original poster. My own view is based on my own faith is that there are certain days upon which I will not gamble. Which days these are are irrelevant but on these days I do spend my time in reflection and what some may call meditation. I am not proposing anyone else do this, its just what I try to do. I for one would be interested in how others combine their lives with their beliefs and poker. Andy Black, Negraneau and Brunson spring to mind although there are others. Hopefully we can all be tolerant and open minded and inteligent about such matters without getting into wars of words. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: AndrewT on October 13, 2005, 11:10:25 AM The problem with internet discussions on religion is that they can never actually go anywhere, because the people who will contribute to them generally already have well established positions which they're not willing to budge on.
A good internet discussion (like we have on poker, or spelling or whatever) goes like this. Person A: I think Viewpoint A is correct. Person B: Well, I think Viewpoint A is wrong, because of Reasons X, Y and Z. Person A: Reason X is wrong, because of Fact J, and I don't think Reason Y is right either, but I take your point about Reason Z - I hadn't thought of that. Person B: Ah, I didn't know about Fact J, that makes a lot of sense. And so on. Whereas a discussion about religion tends to end up like: Religious Person: I believe in God. Atheist: You're an idiot - there is no God. Religious Person: Yes there is - my holy book says so. Atheist: Sod your book, God isn't logical. Religious Person: You wouldn't understand. BTW, you're going to hell because of your sins. Atheist: Don't tell me how to live my life, you Nazi. Religious Person: F*ck off you Satan spawn. Now a dozen other religious people and atheists start hurling insults at each other and the forum melts under the weight of the flamewar. Let's not do that here... Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: tikay on October 13, 2005, 11:16:41 AM Andrew, It would not happen that way here.
In your hypothetical exchange on religious debate, we'd intevene the moment someone called the other guy an idiot for his religious beliefs. His beliefs can be wrong, & that can be debated, but he cannot be called an idiot for believing them. The UKPoker saga was horrible, but we learned a great deal too, & we will act quickly in the future if things get personally offensive. We promise.. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: AdamM on October 13, 2005, 11:21:45 AM Life as a devout athiest can be tricky some times. I find it hard to discuss religion with people because my firm belief in the absence of a god seems to offend some people so much. My greatest annoyance is when people assume atheism is a void to be filled, rather than a firm belief in itself. I'm no more likely to be converted to a religion than I am to start believing in magic. I keep saying next time I get doorstepped I'm going to let them in and attemp to convert them to atheism but I always bottle it.
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: AndrewT on October 13, 2005, 11:22:02 AM Cool Tikay, glad to hear you're on the case.
OK then, back to poker. Buddha is on the big blind with QJ. Jesus raises Buddha's blind from the button for the third round in a row. What should he do? :) Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Robert HM on October 13, 2005, 12:26:06 PM Cool Tikay, glad to hear you're on the case. OK then, back to poker. Buddha is on the big blind with QJ. Jesus raises Buddha's blind from the button for the third round in a row. What should he do? :) go all in and pray? Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Acidmouse on October 13, 2005, 12:28:03 PM Its all down to personal choice.
What really is amusing though is all the jewish people arriving at my local synagogue today that park their cars just around the corrner out of sight. Like who they trying to fool! Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: AndrewT on October 13, 2005, 12:31:38 PM What really is amusing though is all the jewish people arriving at my local synagogue today that park their cars just around the corrner out of sight. Like who they trying to fool! Ha ha, I love stuff like this. Religion is fine when it's just a personal relationship that someone has with their god - it's when it's used as a way of proving to others that you are more devout than them (and thus, by implication, better than them) that all the problems start. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: tikay on October 13, 2005, 12:57:43 PM Cool Tikay, glad to hear you're on the case. OK then, back to poker. Buddha is on the big blind with QJ. Jesus raises Buddha's blind from the button for the third round in a row. What should he do? :) Buddah (by the way, there IS a guy at Walsall known as Buddha) should let go, as presumably Jesus can change his hole cards into whatever he wants. In this case, probably KQ. But if Buddha can work a miracle with HIS hole cards, I guess he'd change HIS into AQ. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Karabiner on October 13, 2005, 01:29:18 PM Its all down to personal choice. What really is amusing though is all the jewish people arriving at my local synagogue today that park their cars just around the corrner out of sight. Like who they trying to fool! To be fair to those who drive and park around the corner. It is more because of a desire not to offend the more devout members of the community than to pretend that they have walked the five miles to the synagogue. PS Yom Kippur is a pretty good deal. You fast for 25 hours and get one year's sins absolved. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Rod Paradise on October 13, 2005, 01:40:10 PM Life as a devout athiest can be tricky some times. I find it hard to discuss religion with people because my firm belief in the absence of a god seems to offend some people so much. My greatest annoyance is when people assume atheism is a void to be filled, rather than a firm belief in itself. I'm no more likely to be converted to a religion than I am to start believing in magic. I keep saying next time I get doorstepped I'm going to let them in and attemp to convert them to atheism but I always bottle it. I got stopped one time in Liverpool by 2 young lassies, "Can we talk to you for a minute about God?" Now I thought they were aiming high on an obvious training expedition for the Jehova's or Mormons (I could see a bloke in a car watching us) - becasue I'd long hair & goatee - long black duster coat & a heavy metal t-shirt on. Basically I looked like Beelzebub - the rocker years :D So i had a think, then said OK, but only if I can talk to you for a minute about Satan.... (they started edging away at this point) - See that bloke in the motor - he's telling you all this stuff to ensure you live the same boring life as him, it's crap - sex is f***ing GREAT, as are drugs alcohol & allt he other stuff they're warning you off... (they're in full flight to the car & I'm shouting after them at this point)... funny thing - we didn't get nearly as many conversion attempts at the door for a while ;D ====================================== Anyway - religion - whatever floats anyone's boat. I think there's some very good ideas in most religions, I just struggle with the faith part. I must admit to liking the idea of a day of inrospection & assessment of how you are living, that would benefit most people. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: tikay on October 13, 2005, 01:52:37 PM Who is Beezlebub?
Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Rod Paradise on October 13, 2005, 02:08:18 PM Who is Beezlebub? Auld Nick, Satan.... PS I'm not one of Satan's helpers - my duties are purely ceremonial ;) Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Karabiner on October 13, 2005, 02:10:46 PM I believe that he frequents Nottingham Gala. And has been known to demand more than 1st prize after a chipcount >:D >:D >:D Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: The Baron on October 13, 2005, 06:26:23 PM It's a tough one Triple X. I too am religious.
I think this has gotta come down to what you think you should be doing. Personally, I dont take every piece of my religion seriously, (like no sex before marriage!) so I guess it comes down to "feel" on this one mate. Good luck with whatever you choose. Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: M POWER on October 13, 2005, 07:10:21 PM I'm sure I could fast for 25 Hours.
As long as I could have somthing to eat i'd be fine regards M Title: Re: Yom Kippur Dilemna Post by: Heid on October 13, 2005, 07:37:57 PM Well, I have just skim read this thread, and while I don't have any religious views to speak of (had a bad religious upbringing, and it tends to put you off such things), but I will say this: If you feel comfortable doing what you feel your god is capable of forgiving you for then you should do it :)
I do know that the Ishmaeli religion requires it's devotees to gamble as part of the requirements to worship... Heid xx |