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Title: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 21, 2007, 07:37:10 PM
Well?



Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 21, 2007, 07:43:30 PM
Looking forward to it...hopefully it will live up to expectations.  I think a lot will depend on how much Castillo has left in the tank, if he is near his best then it will be a very close fight imo.  However going by his last performance I have my doubts.  Reports have suggested Hatton has looked after himself and didnt balloon in weight after his last fight so hopefully we will see an improved performance from him.  fwiw I think the prices are about right.  Hatton on points for me.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 21, 2007, 07:50:07 PM
I'm pretty much with you on that.  Has all the potential to be a cracker.  Neither will be doing much running anyway!

I've got Hatton to win in the 10th, with a points win as the saver.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 21, 2007, 07:54:45 PM
I do have a question though.  Why's it on Setanta and not Sky?


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 21, 2007, 08:19:19 PM
Come on Ricky.

Good match for his style. A proper brawl in prospect.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/boxing/v/1007990/0_ricky_hatton_talks_about_his_forthcoming_fight_against_jose_luis_castillo.html

what I like most about Hatton is how respectfuly he always speaks of his opponents


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamG on June 21, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Come on Ricky.

Good match for his style. A proper brawl in prospect.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/boxing/v/1007990/0_ricky_hatton_talks_about_his_forthcoming_fight_against_jose_luis_castillo.html

what I like most about Hatton is how respectfuly he always speaks of his opponents

i like hatton because of this too....he is not another boxer who thinks he can take on the world because hes on a winning streak....even though he can and he is! he is such a great fighter...he would probably do well in UFC too!!


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 21, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
I do have a question though.  Why's it on Setanta and not Sky?

Setanta have been buying up the rights to just about everything that moves recently.  Piss poor quality in comparison to sky though imo.  I'm guessing $$ is the reason for it.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 21, 2007, 08:34:17 PM
Come on Ricky.

Good match for his style. A proper brawl in prospect.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/boxing/v/1007990/0_ricky_hatton_talks_about_his_forthcoming_fight_against_jose_luis_castillo.html

what I like most about Hatton is how respectfuly he always speaks of his opponents

he would probably do well in UFC too!!

not sure about that. he'd have to put weight on to match the UFC light weights at 155lb. Most boxers do badly against good MMA strikers because they have their front foot too far out and take too many kicks to the front thigh. Rickys stance is much tighter than usual and I think he'd destroy a UFC striker. however most of the talent in UFC 155lb division is in the Wrestling/Ju-Jitsu side and Rickys closer leg position would make him very vulnerable to a take down. on the mat he'd have no chance.
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=20685.0
this is probably a better place for this conversation


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AndrewT on June 21, 2007, 08:45:48 PM
I do have a question though.  Why's it on Setanta and not Sky?

Setanta have been buying up the rights to just about everything that moves recently.  Piss poor quality in comparison to sky though imo.  I'm guessing $$ is the reason for it.

Yeah, they'll have paid more for it.

It also explains why this thread is the first I've heard about the fight - there's been sod all publicity or buzz about this, when compared to Calzaghe's last fight.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: jnyflush on June 21, 2007, 09:10:39 PM
think it will be a great fight, it will be allout from the start and i see hatton stopping castillo around 6-8!


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 21, 2007, 11:38:45 PM
I do have a question though.  Why's it on Setanta and not Sky?

Setanta have been buying up the rights to just about everything that moves recently.  Piss poor quality in comparison to sky though imo.  I'm guessing $$ is the reason for it.

Yeah, they'll have paid more for it.

It also explains why this thread is the first I've heard about the fight - there's been sod all publicity or buzz about this, when compared to Calzaghe's last fight.

I don't see how Setanta is sustainable in the UK.  They've bought the rights to some of the footy; they've picked out some decent bouts, and probably some other random events.

But the majority of sports fans are going to stick with Sky - and resign themselves to the fact that they're going to miss the odd fight or match.  They're just not going to reach the critical mass they need. I'm certainly not going to sign up just for the Hatton fight.  Not that £15 is extortionate, but just because I can't be arsed.




Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 21, 2007, 11:46:01 PM
Hatton on points for me.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: ifm on June 22, 2007, 12:13:49 AM
Hatton on points for me too, he's done things completely differently this time in Vegas compared to January.
He's rented a house away from the strip (he was at Ceasars in Jan), he has been there a lot longer, he flew out several weeks ago and he's training with a good pal of ours in Mathew Macklin who has the same style as Castillo.
I'm gutted i missed this one, all my pals left Wednesday :( and i keep getting texts describing the weather and basically taking the p**s.
I'll be looking for a live stream of the fight, i'll keep you updated if i find one.
Maybe Nem can help?


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Nem on June 22, 2007, 02:54:59 AM
Hatton in the 9th

I will post a stream on here


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Sark79 on June 22, 2007, 08:24:50 AM
Hatton on points.   It is crazy that it is only June and already we have a sports personality of the year set in stone.  Regardless of what Hatton does this year or even Murry destroying Federer at Wimbledon,  Hamilton is already the winner.  I had a feeling that it would be Hatton this year for some reason.   


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 22, 2007, 09:06:44 AM
Hatton on points.   It is crazy that it is only June and already we have a sports personality of the year set in stone.  Regardless of what Hatton does this year or even Murry destroying Federer at Wimbledon,  Hamilton is already the winner.  I had a feeling that it would be Hatton this year for some reason.   

He's not on terrestrial TV.  That's a big problem.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AndrewT on June 22, 2007, 02:20:40 PM
Hatton on points.   It is crazy that it is only June and already we have a sports personality of the year set in stone.  Regardless of what Hatton does this year or even Murry destroying Federer at Wimbledon,  Hamilton is already the winner.  I had a feeling that it would be Hatton this year for some reason.   

He's not on terrestrial TV.  That's a big problem.

Yeah - the only winner of the award to not have their main achievements on terrestrial was Lennox Lewis in 1999, and I seem to remember that being a very weak year for nominees.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 22, 2007, 04:09:40 PM
I do have a question though.  Why's it on Setanta and not Sky?

Setanta have been buying up the rights to just about everything that moves recently.  Piss poor quality in comparison to sky though imo.  I'm guessing $$ is the reason for it.

Yeah, they'll have paid more for it.

It also explains why this thread is the first I've heard about the fight - there's been sod all publicity or buzz about this, when compared to Calzaghe's last fight.

I don't see how Setanta is sustainable in the UK.  They've bought the rights to some of the footy; they've picked out some decent bouts, and probably some other random events.

But the majority of sports fans are going to stick with Sky - and resign themselves to the fact that they're going to miss the odd fight or match.  They're just not going to reach the critical mass they need. I'm certainly not going to sign up just for the Hatton fight.  Not that £15 is extortionate, but just because I can't be arsed.




tbh I thought that when they first won the rights to show the SPL and I wouldn't have been surprised had it gone tits up in the first season.  I subscribe to it basically because they have Scottish football and thats the only thing I think I've ever watched on it.  On the face of it they appear to be going from strength to strength what with winning the rights to the PGA tour and rights to some Premiership games etc, however it wouldn't be a total shock to wake up one morning and find out that things aren't quite as rosy as the appear. 


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 22, 2007, 04:16:22 PM
They have operations outside the UK - and I guess this means that they aren't solely reliant on the UK market (although long-term they'll want to operate at a profit here obviously).

It's certainly not going to be easy for them.  I hope they can put pressure on Murdoch's Sky empire and virtual monopoly (in England at least) of sport on TV.  It's already made some difference with the rights to certain games meaning Sky can no longer offer a PPV offering for football (no more PremPlus).  It might also mean that for bouts Sky does show in the future, they might be included in the Sky Sports package, and not attract an additional 'Box Office' cost.

Competition 'should' be a good thing for the consumer.  We'll have to wait and see.  At the moment it means people are missing out on one thing or another unless they get both Sky and Setanta sports packages.  I doubt that the majority will do that at the current prices.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Div on June 22, 2007, 05:32:03 PM
Just realised the fight is included in the regular Setanta sports package - so no extra cost to watch it. Could be a late night tomorrow!


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: The Baron on June 22, 2007, 06:21:49 PM
Come on Ricky.

Good match for his style. A proper brawl in prospect.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/boxing/v/1007990/0_ricky_hatton_talks_about_his_forthcoming_fight_against_jose_luis_castillo.html

what I like most about Hatton is how respectfuly he always speaks of his opponents

If it becomes a brawl I can see Hatton losing this one.

Hatton needs to box clever.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 22, 2007, 06:46:51 PM
Just realised the fight is included in the regular Setanta sports package - so no extra cost to watch it. Could be a late night tomorrow!

So it is, wasn't aware of that.  Setanta gone up ever so slightly im my estimation


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 24, 2007, 09:59:55 AM
Cracking performance from Hatton.  Now lets see a fight with Cotto


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 24, 2007, 10:20:58 AM
Absolutely brilliant.

It's a long tine since Hatton's KOd someone with a left hook to the bady. He used to do it alot in his early fights but as opponents have got tougher he's had a harder time getting the knockdown from it.

Cotto would be a good fight but if De La Hoya or Mayweather is on the table I think Cotto could be put off.

SPOTY?


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 24, 2007, 11:30:04 AM
Cotto is the fight I'd like to see though. 

Hatton had the intensity back that he showed against Tszyu and overwhelmed Castillo.  I'm not overly convinced that Castillo had much left (definetly not a top 10 p4p as Ricky stated after the fight) but he dealt with him in devastating fashion and the finishing punch was a peach.  There are now some big paydays out there for him against the likes of Cotto, PBF, DLH or even Moseley although he going to have to step up to welterweight to make them happen.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Indestructable on June 24, 2007, 11:34:08 AM
Maybe the next fight will be at the City of Manchester stadium. I would be first in the queue for tickets.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Jim-D on June 24, 2007, 11:40:41 AM
Does any body know if there's a way for me to watch a re run of the fight online?

Or perhaps know if there's a torrent site to snatch it from?


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 24, 2007, 11:55:12 AM
tight arse. buy it like the rest of us
 ;)


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Jim-D on June 24, 2007, 11:57:27 AM
tight arse. buy it like the rest of us
 ;)

Dont be so silly  ;D


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 24, 2007, 12:04:26 PM
Delighted with the result.  Awesome.  Has to be Mayweather next imo.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Rooky9 on June 24, 2007, 01:48:06 PM
Does any body know if there's a way for me to watch a re run of the fight online?

Or perhaps know if there's a torrent site to snatch it from?

best I can find on it at the moment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo4hlf8V8Q


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 24, 2007, 02:25:41 PM
Does any body know if there's a way for me to watch a re run of the fight online?

Or perhaps know if there's a torrent site to snatch it from?

best I can find on it at the moment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo4hlf8V8Q

Thanks.  Great punch!


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamG on June 24, 2007, 02:52:51 PM
OH WHAT A BODY SHOT!


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Sark79 on June 24, 2007, 03:22:41 PM
Thanks mate


Hatton's Brother on the bill as well?


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Jim-D on June 24, 2007, 03:29:31 PM
Does any body know if there's a way for me to watch a re run of the fight online?

Or perhaps know if there's a torrent site to snatch it from?

best I can find on it at the moment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo4hlf8V8Q

Cheers for that Rooky,  Awesome punch.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 24, 2007, 04:02:34 PM
Thanks mate


Hatton's Brother on the bill as well?

Yeah won on points


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Sark79 on June 24, 2007, 05:04:54 PM
ok,  ty


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 25, 2007, 10:47:15 AM
Castillo wasn't at his peak - BUT,

Quote
It was the first time in Castillo's 17-year professional career that he had been sent to the canvas.

Hatton was very up for that fight, and he's at his best against the best.  Excellent result and a devastating finish.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42417000/jpg/_42417400_hatton_blow203.jpg)

If you've ever wondered how hard Hatton hits, you can read this (or just ask Castillo):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6228040.stm


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 25, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDO0g44EFJ4&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpqDxb8wPU


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 25, 2007, 02:41:23 PM
Hatton 3/1 to remain unbeaten until end of 2008

value??


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 25, 2007, 02:42:50 PM
Hatton 3/1 to remain unbeaten until end of 2008

value??

Long time to wait for your money though.  I'm sure you'd be able to get better odds from each individual fight and then accumulating from each one.  Possibly?



Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 25, 2007, 02:47:17 PM
Hatton 3/1 to remain unbeaten until end of 2008

value??

Long time to wait for your money though.  I'm sure you'd be able to get better odds from each individual fight and then accumulating from each one.  Possibly?



Yeah I'd think so given that he will probably have 4 fights in that time and at least one will be against Mayweather, Moseley or Cotto where he would more than likely be odds against.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: The Baron on June 26, 2007, 12:36:06 PM
HATTON JIBES ANGER MAYWEATHER
Tuesday 26th June 2007

 
 
 
   
 
 
More Boxing stories:

Hitman plans stylish homecoming
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Floyd Mayweather looks set to reverse his decision to retire and silence a 'disrespectful' Ricky Hatton.
Mayweather immediately hung up his gloves having beaten Oscar de la Hoya for the WBC light-middleweight title.

However, the unbeaten Pretty Boy has been left smarting at comments made by Hatton - and is now tempted to return to the ring for a multi-million pound showdown.

The Hitman launched a verbal offensive on Mayweather in the aftermath of stopping Jose Luis Castillo in a bid to goad the 30-year-old back into the sport.

And the tactic looks to have worked, with Mayweather's advisor Leonard Ellerbe telling the New York Daily News: "He got Floyd's attention. Now we're calling his bluff.

"All he has to do is make a deal and he'll have his chance to back up all that talk. All that's standing between him and Floyd is air and opportunity.

"We can make the deal this week. He's very, very disrespectful. He's trying to promote himself off Floyd's name.

"When we make the deal, we'll show the world why he's the most overrated fighter of this decade.

"Floyd has never taken any fight personally. But he's taking this personally. Floyd is going to kick his butt."


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2007, 02:00:23 PM
Love it.  Out Mayweathering Mayweather.

He's got to provoke him, otherwise the fight won't happen. 

Love his t-shirt after the Castillo fight (another dig at Mayweather):

(http://www.yappari.co.uk/wp-content/images/LFC/fatton.png)


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 04:00:34 PM
what exactly did ricky say that was so disrespectful?


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2007, 04:04:08 PM
what exactly did ricky say that was so disrespectful?

I think it's one of those 'You dissing me punk?" sort of things.  Different use of the term disrespectful.  Although Hatton did say that there was more action for the fans in the 4 rounds this weekend than in the whole of Mayweather's career.  That probably wound him up a bit.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
harsh but fair.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Nem on June 26, 2007, 04:07:14 PM
My advice to Hatton is to avoid fighting Maywether until he is washed up like Castillio and Tzsyu was...


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 04:09:55 PM
thats not fair at all.

Tzsyu said Hatton was the best he's ever fought


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Nem on June 26, 2007, 04:18:02 PM


Tzsyu said Hatton was the last he ever fought


FYP

Tzsyu in his prime is owning Hatton, just like Maywether undoubtedly would.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2007, 04:21:37 PM


Tzsyu said Hatton was the last he ever fought


FYP

Tzsyu in his prime is owning Hatton, just like Maywether undoubtedly would.

(http://www.talklfc.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/hooked.gif)


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 04:24:18 PM
disagree. I think Mayweather is made for Hatton. the 'silky smooth' long range stuff is useless when your opponent is stood at nose biting range.

Tzsyu is different and if they'd fought 10 times you'd not end up with a clear winner I don't think. achedemic really.
Hatton is the real deal and I don't think suggesting he's making a career out of picking easy fights with old men is anywhere near fair.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Nem on June 26, 2007, 04:38:24 PM
disagree. I think Mayweather is made for Hatton. the 'silky smooth' long range stuff is useless when your opponent is stood at nose biting range.

Tzsyu is different and if they'd fought 10 times you'd not end up with a clear winner I don't think. achedemic really.
Hatton is the real deal and I don't think suggesting he's making a career out of picking easy fights with old men is anywhere near fair.

Hatton is definitely the real deal. But he isn't better than Mayweather - who is/was?

Mayweather will not lose and will win all of his remaining fights and then will retire the greatest boxer ever to enter the ring.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 04:41:53 PM
even if it's possible to doze off watching him sometimes.

He's a great fighter but the whole pound for pound thing is largely hype and I don't buy it


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 26, 2007, 04:48:01 PM
disagree. I think Mayweather is made for Hatton. the 'silky smooth' long range stuff is useless when your opponent is stood at nose biting range.

Tzsyu is different and if they'd fought 10 times you'd not end up with a clear winner I don't think. achedemic really.
Hatton is the real deal and I don't think suggesting he's making a career out of picking easy fights with old men is anywhere near fair.

Hatton is definitely the real deal. But he isn't better than Mayweather - who is/was?

Mayweather will not lose and will win all of his remaining fights and then will retire the greatest boxer ever to enter the ring.

I'd tend to agree with that.  I'd have Mayweather as big favourite if they fight.

As for Mayweather being made for Hatton...I'd suggest the opposite may be true.





Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
It'd certainly be a clash of opposite styles.
My guess is it'd be down to heart and courage who came out on top and those are things Hatton has in abundance

we may yet see it


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: kinboshi on June 26, 2007, 05:04:29 PM
Hatton is a more intelligent fighter/boxer than people often give him credit for.  They see a brawling, come-forward, Mexican-style fighter and think that his game is based solely on that.  There's far more to him than this, and he'll approach Mayweather very differently to Castillo.

It would certainly be an intriguing fight.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2007, 05:06:51 PM
totally agree with that, although I doubt Hatton would try and out jab Mayweather.
He'd almost certainly try and smother him.


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 27, 2007, 04:45:56 PM
Hatton would certainly have a chance against Mayweather, and if he was odds against I'd definately be having a bet!


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: bolt pp on June 27, 2007, 05:06:46 PM
Hatton would certainly have a chance against Mayweather, and if he was odds against I'd definately be having a bet!

 ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: Hatton v Castillo
Post by: ifm on June 27, 2007, 05:13:43 PM
Does any body know if there's a way for me to watch a re run of the fight online?

Or perhaps know if there's a torrent site to snatch it from?

http://stage6.divx.com/user/saajid/video/1347981/Castillo-and-Hatton