Title: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 06:23:47 PM i've been playing this poker lark for a little while now and normally end up ahead. How good do I need to be to turn pro? Does it provide enough income to support a wife and kids? Do I have to travel a lot or can I make my living online? What are the best games to play and how quickly do I need to move up?
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: madasahatstand on June 27, 2007, 06:26:37 PM it depends how good you are, how much money you are starting with and numerous other factors I would imagine. There are lots of good players who dont make a living out of poker so if this is a new venture for you, maybe trying it part time would be the best place to start?
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: bolt pp on June 27, 2007, 06:28:17 PM Do you bluff a lot?
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Dewi_cool on June 27, 2007, 06:29:12 PM Will you have time, now you are envoy to the middle east?
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: TightEnd on June 27, 2007, 06:29:32 PM Perhaps in between spells as Middle East Envoy you might get time Tone?
(for the unwitting, spoof poster alert......) Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 06:29:52 PM having read your posts on the when to show a bluff thread i would say dont give up your day job
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 06:31:40 PM having read your posts on the when to show a bluff thread i would say dont give up your day job Sorry, alea jacta est Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: bolt pp on June 27, 2007, 06:33:21 PM :dontask: not me
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Dewi_cool on June 27, 2007, 06:35:42 PM Surely you can change
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Karabiner on June 27, 2007, 06:38:48 PM Party poker would seem to be suitable for one's talents.....
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Geo the Sarge on June 27, 2007, 07:44:15 PM Poker in the Pub would be a good start for you..........might even pick up a new job while you're at it.
Geo Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: lucky_scrote on June 27, 2007, 07:57:48 PM Try it, if you go broke, you go broke.
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: crapper on June 27, 2007, 08:13:19 PM i've been playing this poker lark for a little while now and normally end up ahead. How good do I need to be to turn pro? Does it provide enough income to support a wife and kids? Do I have to travel a lot or can I make my living online? What are the best games to play and how quickly do I need to move up? Whoa,whoa,whoa !! You ask questions, questions, questions....but don't really give any information ! What do you qualify as ''been playing for a little while now'' ? And a business run properly would hardly be termed a ''lark'' now, would it ? What you have to remember if you're serious about becoming a pro, is that you need a couple of years thorough detailed financial records ( and I mean thorough, i.e. complete records ) of your profits/losses together with a sizeable starting bankroll, before you can even start to contemplate playing for a living. Even so a lot of what are termed 'professional' players still have other incomes either related or unrelated to poker to finance their lifestyles and look after their families. I wish you luck and hope that you consider things carefully before doing anything rash, Ian. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: byronkincaid on June 27, 2007, 08:20:19 PM Quote What you have to remember if you're serious about becoming a pro, is that you need a couple of years thorough detailed financial records ( and I mean thorough, i.e. complete records ) of your profits/losses together with a sizeable starting bankroll, before you can even start to contemplate playing for a living. What about if you've played 140 PP $50 sngs with a 40% ROI and you really really hate your job? Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 08:27:10 PM Quote What you have to remember if you're serious about becoming a pro, is that you need a couple of years thorough detailed financial records ( and I mean thorough, i.e. complete records ) of your profits/losses together with a sizeable starting bankroll, before you can even start to contemplate playing for a living. What about if you've played 140 PP $50 sngs with a 40% ROI and you really really hate your job? when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250. I'm worried that my wife and friends might shun me for not having a proper job, though. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: crapper on June 27, 2007, 08:29:34 PM Quote What you have to remember if you're serious about becoming a pro, is that you need a couple of years thorough detailed financial records ( and I mean thorough, i.e. complete records ) of your profits/losses together with a sizeable starting bankroll, before you can even start to contemplate playing for a living. What about if you've played 140 PP $50 sngs with a 40% ROI and you really really hate your job? If you can play 3500 PP $50 sngs and still have a 40% ROI....then sure, give up the day job ! Good luck with it, Ian. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Ecosse on June 27, 2007, 08:49:53 PM Have you income to back you up during 'bad spells', what's the wife and kids going to do when you go on tilt and bust out with this week's shopping money ? From your original post I don't think you've thought out the long term implications of your idea. 'when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250' Any half decent job will pay that. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 08:50:43 PM 40% is pretty high, even Gordon would love that.
What's your secret? Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: crapper on June 27, 2007, 08:57:02 PM when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250.
I'm worried that my wife and friends might shun me for not having a proper job, though. [/quote] If you can play for longer than 12 months and still average $250 per day for a 7-day week, then you could consider it. But ONLY if that's what you average. You must remember that playing over a period of a year or more, then you will have many losing days or even weeks ( hence the need for a decnt-sized bankroll behind you ). Wives and girlfriends never shun you if you are both successful and happy. Poker is a proper job, if treated seriously, just like any other job and worked at properly. It sure ain't all glamour !! Ian. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: AndrewT on June 27, 2007, 08:58:57 PM 40% is pretty high, even Gordon would love that. What's your secret? You just know Gordon would be a nitty TAG. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 09:01:52 PM Have you income to back you up during 'bad spells', what's the wife and kids going to do when you go on tilt and bust out with this week's shopping money ? From your original post I don't think you've thought out the long term implications of your idea. 'when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250' Any half decent job will pay that. Not sure about that. $250 = £125 =£160 taking tax into account = £32/hour. Working as your own boss. Your own hours. Opportunities to earn much more. What kind of half decent job pays out £32/hour? Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 09:03:40 PM when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250. I'm worried that my wife and friends might shun me for not having a proper job, though. If you can play for longer than 12 months and still average $250 per day for a 7-day week, then you could consider it. But ONLY if that's what you average. You must remember that playing over a period of a year or more, then you will have many losing days or even weeks ( hence the need for a decnt-sized bankroll behind you ). Wives and girlfriends never shun you if you are both successful and happy. Poker is a proper job, if treated seriously, just like any other job and worked at properly. It sure ain't all glamour !! Ian. [/quote] 3 losing weeks last 2 years. The weeks I encountered Ironside......... Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Claw75 on June 27, 2007, 09:10:39 PM go for it - you're wife's on a fair wage anyway isn't she?
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: crapper on June 27, 2007, 09:11:24 PM '' 3 losing weeks last 2 years. The weeks
I encountered Ironside.........'' Quote from Tony. I would suggest that you have no further encounters with said 'Ironside' then and you need to learn quicker, like after the 1st week ;D Ian. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 09:13:13 PM go for it - you're wife's on a fair wage anyway isn't she? ye, human rights barrister lark pfffff. Thought the 'we won't miss you' comment to the press on departure was very low, a bit bitter. I docked her weekly ebay shoe allowance for that one. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on June 27, 2007, 09:27:19 PM whats ure bankroll?
what stakes do u play? do u play mtt, stt or cash? do u have a tash? if the last is a yes ure sure to suceed ;) Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 09:37:19 PM tony i seen you bluff
"it was the best inteligance we had on offer" "peter is a hard working indivual with the countries well being at his heart" "gordon is a close friend and will continue to be so" dont take up poker btw they dont allow gambling where your going anyway Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Ecosse on June 27, 2007, 09:55:47 PM Have you income to back you up during 'bad spells', what's the wife and kids going to do when you go on tilt and bust out with this week's shopping money ? From your original post I don't think you've thought out the long term implications of your idea. 'when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250' Any half decent job will pay that. Not sure about that. $250 = £125 =£160 taking tax into account = £32/hour. Working as your own boss. Your own hours. Opportunities to earn much more. What kind of half decent job pays out £32/hour? Even half competent IT dudes with experience programming / database / networking etc Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 27, 2007, 10:06:35 PM Have you income to back you up during 'bad spells', what's the wife and kids going to do when you go on tilt and bust out with this week's shopping money ? From your original post I don't think you've thought out the long term implications of your idea. 'when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250' Any half decent job will pay that. Not sure about that. $250 = £125 =£160 taking tax into account = £32/hour. Working as your own boss. Your own hours. Opportunities to earn much more. What kind of half decent job pays out £32/hour? Even half competent IT dudes with experience programming / database / networking etc Your *average* job pays £10 an hour and consists of getting bossed around to do something you don't enjoy too much. Plenty of lawyers are on £20 an hour. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2007, 10:12:02 PM Have you income to back you up during 'bad spells', what's the wife and kids going to do when you go on tilt and bust out with this week's shopping money ? From your original post I don't think you've thought out the long term implications of your idea. 'when i play about 5 hours per day I make about $250' Any half decent job will pay that. Not sure about that. $250 = £125 =£160 taking tax into account = £32/hour. Working as your own boss. Your own hours. Opportunities to earn much more. What kind of half decent job pays out £32/hour? Even half competent IT dudes with experience programming / database / networking etc Your *average* job pays £10 an hour and consists of getting bossed around to do something you don't enjoy too much. Plenty of lawyers are on £20 an hour. only one person to blame for that you could of set the mimiumium wage at £30 an hour Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: spruce goose on June 28, 2007, 01:11:44 AM perhaps you should approach an online poker site to seek an advantagous rake back deal or some sort of sponsorship?
im sure SIR tikay would be only to HONOURED to have you on board. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: tonypoker on June 28, 2007, 02:28:37 AM perhaps you should approach an online poker site to seek an advantagous rake back deal or some sort of sponsorship? lol. im sure SIR tikay would be only to HONOURED to have you on board. Tikay is a poker player without peer. age Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: dealerFROMhell on June 28, 2007, 02:31:09 AM You cant turn pro unless you are a millionaire, or are bought into tournaments.
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Royal Flush on June 28, 2007, 02:32:45 AM You cant turn pro unless you are a millionaire, or are bought into tournaments. lol Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: YoungHero on June 28, 2007, 08:49:17 AM Tony,If you do not have a reasonable bank roll consider joining Badbeat or DTD as a trader, they take away the financial risk but allow you to make a good income if you are good enough,Badbeat offer other excellent tools to help you in prove your game.Since joining my game has improved 1000%, variance has decreased a great deal and i have a far better understanding of everything.Poker can be a lonely job at times too so being part of a team definitely helps. Good luck!!
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Royal Flush on June 28, 2007, 10:16:32 AM You cant turn pro unless you are a millionaire, or are bought into tournaments. lol, sorry so funny i had to laugh at it again. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: BTB on June 28, 2007, 12:59:14 PM i'm no poker expert but, if you can make $200 dollars in a few hours a day maybe 5 days a week 50 weeks of the year, why dont you keep working for say a year to fund your day to day living, make $50,000.00 then use that to fund the start of your full time poker career??
A year passes so quickly and you can test your commitment through the good and the bad times over the year, after the year if you feel different, get yourself a $50,000 sports car and be happy. ;slavedriver; Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Tragic on June 28, 2007, 01:10:10 PM Reckon it will be possible to make a living from poker in 10 years time? In the same way that it is now anyway...
Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Jon MW on June 28, 2007, 01:14:58 PM i'm no poker expert but, if you can make $200 dollars in a few hours a day maybe 5 days a week 50 weeks of the year, why dont you keep working for say a year to fund your day to day living, make $50,000.00 then use that to fund the start of your full time poker career?? A year passes so quickly and you can test your commitment through the good and the bad times over the year, after the year if you feel different, get yourself a $50,000 sports car and be happy. ;slavedriver; On a similar theme to this I would think a good touchstone would be, if you can make more money playing poker in your leisure time then you earn in your job full time - then it might be worth considering. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Royal Flush on June 28, 2007, 02:17:12 PM You cant turn pro unless you are a millionaire, or are bought into tournaments. lol it's still hilarious, dealer from hell you are quality! Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: booder on June 28, 2007, 02:37:03 PM You cant turn pro unless you are a millionaire, or are bought into tournaments. i gave up work in June 2005 to become a full time player. My initial bankroll was £5k. I was very naive in assuming this would be sufficient to sustain me. If i was taking the same decision now ,knowing what i know now , i would budget for at least £30k. That said , i have managed 2 years full time playing (including live events here and abroad) . I am not a millionaire and have never been bought into a tournament. case dismissed. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Royal Flush on July 01, 2007, 09:31:06 PM You cant turn pro unless you are a millionaire, or are bought into tournaments. I'm still chuckling away to myself! Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: lucky_scrote on July 02, 2007, 12:10:59 AM FLUSHY SHUTUP.
Just kidding sweetie :P Erm, if i was starting a roll whilst making an average of $250 a day i would be worried. If you have a week where you lose $250 each day you have to earn 3 weeks worth of money over the next 7 days to catch up. So yeh if you had a 6 month losing streak would you still be ok? I mean, thats really quite likely. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: AlexMartin on July 02, 2007, 02:15:17 AM FLUSHY SHUTUP. Just kidding sweetie :P Erm, if i was starting a roll whilst making an average of $250 a day i would be worried. If you have a week where you lose $250 each day you have to earn 3 weeks worth of money over the next 7 days to catch up. So yeh if you had a 6 month losing streak would you still be ok? I mean, thats really quite likely. Really? Multitabling cash games a 2 day losing streak is a long one. Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Snatiramas on July 02, 2007, 01:44:28 PM Hmmm what a question. You ask us to help and offer you advice as to whether you should become a pro........... how does the question go? If you need to ask the price then you can't afford the item. Maybe you could just continue to have the game as a useful secondary source of income. Alternatively you will have enough money and talent and you will just know that it is time.
One thought did cross my mind though. I like scotch. I am good at drinking it (particularly Clynelish). Do I want to become an alcoholic? No it's purely for pleasure a bit like my poker Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: fearisthekey on July 02, 2007, 09:23:03 PM A player with a 6 month losing streak should give up playing poker, never mind playing professionally.
(Bet I get a big losing streak now lol). Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Robert HM on July 02, 2007, 09:36:38 PM A player with a 6 month losing streak should give up playing poker, never mind playing professionally. (Bet I get a big losing streak now lol). 6 month diary note "bump and ask "what happened to fearisthekey?"" Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: fearisthekey on July 02, 2007, 09:38:48 PM A player with a 6 month losing streak should give up playing poker, never mind playing professionally. (Bet I get a big losing streak now lol). 6 month diary note "bump and ask "what happened to fearisthekey?"" It's started. What kind of donk calls all-in preflop with Aspades 3d ;frustrated; ;frustrated; Title: Re: becoming a professional Post by: Robert HM on July 02, 2007, 09:43:18 PM A player with a 6 month losing streak should give up playing poker, never mind playing professionally. (Bet I get a big losing streak now lol). 6 month diary note "bump and ask "what happened to fearisthekey?"" It's started. What kind of donk calls all-in preflop with Aspades 3d ;frustrated; ;frustrated; Make that 3 month diary note! |