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Title: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: suzanne on July 06, 2007, 04:10:47 AM I know in the past I have posted D-Day (my birthday) threads where I have said that "thats it im done with poker" and meant it at the time because I could not bear the bad beats anymore and just wanted to get out.
Trouble is poker is addictive, and once you are dragged in its sooo hard to get out. You keep going back for more and although you might lose some cash through the bad times you keep going on with the belief that with every game you learn a little bit more which makes you a better player win or lose. So what went wrong? I started off as a novice donking of what I could afford each week coz to be honest it was cheaper than the bingo (£50 easy with tickets, babysitter, taxi and large donar with extra chilli) and was quite happy to do that till I joined Blonde and realised that if you learn the game you can WIN. So I watched the forum and decided here was the best place to learn how to play the game and be a winner. It all went well at the start, picked up some very valuable tips and started to win games woohooooooooooo. I was actually winning back some of the money that I had lost, I was still down but happy. I then heard about "bonus whoring" you deposit, when you clear the bonus you get free money. For the novices of you out there....dont even go there. I have deposited the max amount on several sites hoping to double my money but the catch is you cant do it playing stts alone and so (as in my case) you move on to cash to build up the points faster but there is always a shark on the table that will rip ur heart out. So to sum it all up, I have been playing online now (small time cash games) for 3/4 years, I have never moved out of the danger zone so have stuck to $5/10 stts (which im good at) $5/30 mtts which I never win but im going through the learning process and 25/50/$1 cash where I sometimes win but mostly lose. I had about 20 different poker accounts at one stage and one by one I have cleaned them all out. I am now depositing at an alarming rate and always promised myself if I could not afford to play poker that I would quit. Well that day has come. I have tried playing lower stake tables to try and climb back up the ladder but how can you beat a guy who calls all the way to the river to hit trips when you have 2 pair on the flop. I dont have the it in me anymore to fight these fish. Tonight I thought deposit £25 and thought play tight and double up on a cash table, it was gone in 5 hands. Simple fact is I cant afford to play anymore. So I dont know what to do. I feel I have it in me to be a good player but obviously im lacking in something if im having to deposit all the time. Do I carry on or call it a day? Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2007, 04:22:27 AM I couldn't sleep tonight Suzanne. Rare for me that so i get the first reply.
My first advice for you...go to bed! Things rarely seem so bleak as at 4am! What was it that made you try again on all the other times you've posted like this? :D Apart from the forum, what else have you tried to improve with? books? advice from others? is there any more you can do in this area? Is it just you need a break? One thing I do know is that if you can't afford to play then you shouldn't do so, the added pressure that puts on yourself is hardly going to help you play to your best is it? Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: bolt pp on July 06, 2007, 04:23:47 AM Simple fact is I cant afford to play anymore. Time to call it a day I'm sure you'd rather hear about how you should hang in there, work on your game and more importantly budget yourself but IMHO that's erroneous user friendly advice that you tend to get on forums to make the poster seem sympathetic and responsible. If after 4 years you're addicted, losing and cant afford to play, then the amalgamation of those three points should leave you in no doubt that your playing poker is bordering on a dysfunctional addiction and it's time to give it up. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: suzanne on July 06, 2007, 05:11:53 AM Yep I think you are both right and I have known it for a long time. Just need the kick up the jacksy I suppose.
Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Moskvich on July 06, 2007, 05:23:38 AM Sounds like you do have to do something. Calling it a day is definitely one good option. The alternative is to have a break and then come back and really treat both the poker and the money seriously. I think you should do one or the other, but definitely nothing in between.
When I say take the money seriously, I realise that you treat your losses seriously at the moment. But it doesn't sound like you're treating it seriously enough when you're playing. People on forums are always banging on about bankroll management and so on, but that's because it's really important to your poker, as well as your financial wellbeing. You can't just stick 25 quid in your account and go and play $0.25/50 cash. Either you play scared because you don't have enough money in your account to risk losing a hand, or you think "well it's only 25 quid, if i lose it I can put another 25 in later". For obvious reasons, neither attitude is going to be successful. It sounds like you suffer, in different ways, from both of these attitudes. I'm sure your poker is good enough, potentially, for you to be a winning player. You say you win at low-level SNGs. It sounds to me a bit like your poker habit is not itself the problem - the problem is your depositing habit. If after a break you want to play again, I think you need to decide how much money you can afford to put aside as your poker bankroll. Make that your bankroll not for the next week, but for ever. Put it on one site and do whatever you can to make sure you can't deposit again (get your bank to block transactions to gaming sites, set your deposit limit at all the sites you're a member of to zero, etc). Then play using proper bankroll management, and err on the side of caution (say, for cash, play only on tables where you've got 30x the max buy-in, rather than the standard 20x). Take a leaf out of Ironside's book, never depositing and playing micro-stakes if that's what your bankroll says you've got to play. Take satisfaction from seeing your bankroll increase, even if it's only by, say, $2 a day. If at any point your bankroll is on the slide, stop, take a break, and try to work out why before you play again. Over a couple of days, it's not because some fish just keeps calling you down and hits on the river. It's because you're not playing well. If this whole process and the challenge of it holds no attraction for you - then refer to the alternative, and Bolt's suggestion. Just stop. Whichever option you take, it sounds like it's definitely time for a change. Losing money you can't really afford is no fun, however it's lost. Poker's a great game, but not if its effects make you miserable. Good luck. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Wardonkey on July 06, 2007, 06:04:43 AM Suze,
If you beat the STTs then why do you play cash games? Cash games are much harder to beat, they require a lot more skill and are psychologically a lot more taxing. There's nothing wrong with specialising. If you can't stay away from the cash games when you log on then you do need to think about quitting. If you have the discipline to stick to the STTs then why not do that? If your not enjoying it and are just playing out of habit or compulsion/boredom then you absolutely need to quit. You definitely need a break, at least a month, try to find something new to do or go back to something you enjoy that you used to do in the time you now use to play poker. If you decide to play again after you've had a bit of time off then read, read, read. Poker is hard work just like anything else. The most successful players are those that not only have a natural talent but also work the hardest on their game. Most people lose at the game, it takes a particular combination of learned skills and many different psychological aspects to make a winning player. If you chose to stop playing no-one would think any less of you. I'm sure there are many things that you can do that most of us cannot. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: jakally on July 06, 2007, 07:55:54 AM Suzanne, Pretty similar to previous posters, but 4 keys for me : 1. Learning If you stand still, you go backwards. In order to become, and to stay, a winning player, it is important that your game improves consistently. Blonde is a fantastic place to visit, and easily the web location I use the most, but, on its own, it isn't enough to further your poker education on a consistent basis. Books, other forums, poker learning websites, watching poker on TV are all good ways of learning. My fav. method at the moment is to make a note of hands during a session that are significant - usually that result in a pot of over half a buy in (in a cash game). At the end of every session, I will go through the key hands during the session, and analyse where I could have better max.ed my winnings, or reduced my losses. 2. Bankroll Don't play, save up as much as you can afford, and then start playing when an individual win or loss on your chosen game has virtually little impact on your overall bankroll. If your bankroll is on your mind when you are playing, then you cannot possibly make good decisions. 3. Keep Records Record every game that you play ; buy in, revenue, P&L, finishing position etc... At the end of every day, summarise how much you wagered, revenue earnt, and P&L. What gets measured gets done! 4. Play Games You Can Beat Most important thing if you want to be a winning player! The three things above are useless without this. Be prepared to wait for the right game, or right time to play. If there is one site where the play is always softer, then stick with it. If you are more likely to win at STT's, then play those until you have won enough to safely dip your toe in the water elsewhere. And finally, it's up to you - there aint no magic formula to winning at poker. If you want to be a winning player, then you can be - but you need to take responsibility for your actions every time you log on. Good luck. Jak. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: RED-DOG on July 06, 2007, 10:12:47 AM I will offer one piece of advice to anyone who plays poker
ONLY PLAY POKER WITH MONEY THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE That way, you get to keep the important money to pay for for the important things. You get to keep your friends, your sanity, and your self respect. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: byronkincaid on July 06, 2007, 10:25:26 AM Quote So I watched the forum and decided here was the best place to learn how to play the game and be a winner. re cash games, I haven't seen you post many hands. Maybe you should post a hand a day, the hand you lost the most money on or a hand you didn't know wtf to do. Do you read the NL cash forums on 2+2? Have you read the 2 or 3 books that are half decent? Do you use poker stove and poker tracker? Learning cash ain't easy, you have to put a lot of work in. You're probably like me, you just wanna get on with playing and not put the work in, unfortunately that ain't good enough with the games getting tougher all the time. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: ifm on July 06, 2007, 10:32:17 AM I have an even simpler solution, play freerolls only.
If you google "freeroll monitor" there is a site that lists in real time all the upcoming freerolls without deposit criteria. I know that 32red has $1000, $500 and $250 freerolls every hour or so, ok they get thousands of runners but it will satisfy the urge and if you play them often enough you have to pick up some cashes here and there. Also paddypoker has some juicy ones this month as mentioned on here a couple of weeks back. There was a blonde member on here a while back that had his own site and a mission to build a bankroll thru freerolls only, can't remember his name maybe someone will remember. It can be done, it's risk free and is actually quite fun when you can make all sorts of funny, donk moves with no pressure. I still play plenty of them to relieve the grind feeling, it works!! Good luck (again) Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Zukertort on July 06, 2007, 11:09:14 AM A sincere honest post Suzanne and some great advice from players who are winners at this game. My point comes from a slightly different angle, where i believe a lot of players-including myself, have gone wrong? We discover poker and all it's delights and spend our time learning how to win. We read books, watch the masters at work and try to emulate them & develop a winning game.
We hit the tables and have mixed results, we tend to boast of our skill when we win and blame bad luck when we lose? We become emotionally involved with the game and winning boosts your inner self, but losing crushes you? After a prolonged losing spell we slip into despair and our game with it & we begin to expect to lose? We actually create the losing scenerio's subconsciously to back up our self defeatised attitude. We check when a bet would win, we bet when we know we are beat, we play marginal hands out of position because we see some donkey play and win that way? Suzanne, i have been there & so have the other players who have given you great advice. Well, i believe that is the main problem, it is more complex of course, but you get the picture. So what is the solution? In my opinion we need to change our emphasise and create a different mindset, i believe we need to spend as much time on 'LEARNING TO LOSE AS WE DO ON LEARNING TO WIN'. We need to understand that losing at poker is a part of winning, it is inherent in the game. The edge of a winning player is usually a small one that is why they must always play there 'A' game and have a winning attitude. Okay you ask how can i start to learn to lose? Well i believe the first step is to try and remove the result of any given hand and just focus on the play of the hand. In this way you become detached from the emotion of the result and doing so will not undermine your ability to improve your game. Just focussing on the play of the hand and being honest with yourself is the fastest road to improving your game and just as important, your attitude. Using this cold analytical approach is helping me improve my game and that winning attitude is developing too!?. Suzanne i hope this helps along with all the great advice you will always receive here. Keep smiling! Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: RichEO on July 06, 2007, 12:14:28 PM Have you read the 2 or 3 books that are half decent? Which books would those be? Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: fearisthekey on July 06, 2007, 12:50:13 PM You are in a very fortunate, position, suzanne, in that you have a clear idea of where you stand and can be open about it.
I agree most with the comment about 'cash' games being more taxing and more difficult, I would stay away from them. As well as skill, knowledge, and discipline, good poker requires a lot of confidence, I think. If you are fearing losses and especially outdraws, then it's best not to play much until after a big break, if you want to return to it at all. Having said that, there are ways. If you can keep off the cash tables (totally ban yourself from them), there are ways to play quite a lot of poker with not too great a risk. For example, for many people, playing a £20/£30 freezeout at the local casino or even online is going to be a +EV option even if they lose. Anyone can easily cut through £50 a night doing the alternative, going out on the lash. And poker is more fun and more sociable. In return for your £20 you can get a lot of poker for your money. good luck. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: byronkincaid on July 06, 2007, 01:00:57 PM Have you read the 2 or 3 books that are half decent? Which books would those be? imo harrington, little green book and NLHE Theory and Practice are OKish. I liked the NL section of Super System and killer poker by the numbers, but there's no stand out great book. hopefully this may be the one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-No-Limit-Hold-I-1/dp/188068540X/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/202-7550059-6139003 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-No-Limit-Hold-I-1/dp/188068540X/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/202-7550059-6139003) Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: kinboshi on July 06, 2007, 01:09:44 PM Have you read the 2 or 3 books that are half decent? Which books would those be? imo harrington, little green book and NLHE Theory and Practice are OKish. I liked the NL section of Super System and killer poker by the numbers, but there's no stand out great book. hopefully this may be the one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-No-Limit-Hold-I-1/dp/188068540X/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/202-7550059-6139003 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-No-Limit-Hold-I-1/dp/188068540X/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/202-7550059-6139003) Any idea when that's going to be published? Before Negreanu's I hope... Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: byronkincaid on July 06, 2007, 01:13:16 PM 2 weeks time
Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: portfolio on July 06, 2007, 01:18:22 PM take a breaK first and foremost clear your mind so you can make any decisions clearly .
i believe there are many ways you can continue with poker,and i know u have several tickets in the bag for the ladies open series, i can make many suggestions if you are interested. cya at the western in a fortnite :) Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Dingdell on July 06, 2007, 01:41:03 PM It's a horrible place to be - I call it the 'bubble' when you know what you're doing isn't right but you anything about it as you are addicted and its sick. It's not just a gambling thing - it can be attributed to lots of behaviours.
I have been there/still go there depending on what triggers it. I recently split up from my boyfriend of 3 years and having won £500 sat in front of a slot machine and gave it all back. In all honesty there really wasn't anything I could do about it - I just couldn't get up and leave. I had thought I was ok that day but some numpty at the poker made me listen to a sad song which put me on tilt and I blame him entirely........ ::) I know he did it with the best intentions but please - making me listen to 'those were the best days of my life' was not going to help me that much! I see someone about this now and understand why and how it happens, I'm just not alway able to deal with it. The majority of the people I come across in the poker world have a story to tell which has moulded them in a way that makes gambling/poker attractive to them. Only last week I was talking to a player who told me that he had lost several family members in a short period of time....it all adds up. I hope you can get out of this black hole Suzanne - it's a brave thing to admit you're in it - I think the freerolls are a great idea - something to work towards and there is still a reward at the end of it. You probably know my opinion of ladies games but for once I will be rooting for someone to win - you!!! If you need a cheering team let me know and I'll come along x Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Muahahahaha on July 06, 2007, 01:46:48 PM I have to admit that I don't understand your feelings, so I can't fully empathise with them.
But I've read your O/P and I hope you don't mind a few mad ramblings I know in the past I have posted D-Day (my birthday) threads where I have said that "thats it im done with poker" and meant it at the time because I could not bear the bad beats anymore and just wanted to get out. I hear this all the time. We all know bad beats are a pain in the posterior, but we all suffer them. I honestly believe that if they get to you too much you're either A) playing outside your bankroll, or B) taking the game too seriously. Some of these guys are good enough to go to the WSOP, you and me ain't. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but playing the game at the right level should still be a fun, and challenging experience Trouble is poker is addictive, and once you are dragged in its sooo hard to get out. You keep going back for more and although you might lose some cash through the bad times you keep going on with the belief that with every game you learn a little bit more which makes you a better player win or lose. Yes the game is addictive, but do you honestly play it when you should be doing other stuff. If it's affecting your life, and you're letting other things slide because you're playing too much, then you have to do what you gotta do to control it. If you can't restrict the amount of time you spend playing, you gotta give up. But most people, once they treat it as a hobby, not a way of life, can control when they fire up the lappy. Personally I find this forum more addictive than the actual game. I stay away for days, and work gets done, but take today, I logged in to spend 20 minutes catching up - that was 3 hours ago. It's naughty, but if I find myself doing it most days, then I know I'm losing control. So what went wrong? I started off as a novice donking of what I could afford each week coz to be honest it was cheaper than the bingo (£50 easy with tickets, babysitter, taxi and large donar with extra chilli) and was quite happy to do that till I joined Blonde and realised that if you learn the game you can WIN. If you give up on poker are you going back to the bingo ? If you can afford to spend money on other things, you can afford to spend money on poker, it's just a case of prioritising. When I started I gave myself £10 a week poker money. I had one account and put that money in every weekend. I only played $2 sngs at the time, and what with winning a few, cashing in a few, and putting the weekly top up in, I wasn't losing. This year I spent 4 months trying to learn how to play mtts. This has cost me a lot of money, with little return, so now I've gone back to sngs, and if I have a positive week, I'll spend my winnings on mtts, if I lose I only play the odd freeroll. I'm not earning much profit, but I'm not losing, and I'm having great fun. So I watched the forum and decided here was the best place to learn how to play the game and be a winner. It all went well at the start, picked up some very valuable tips and started to win games woohooooooooooo. I was actually winning back some of the money that I had lost, I was still down but happy. Remember this point, you played the game and enjoyed it I then heard about "bonus whoring" you deposit, when you clear the bonus you get free money. For the novices of you out there....dont even go there. I have deposited the max amount on several sites hoping to double my money but the catch is you cant do it playing stts alone and so (as in my case) you move on to cash to build up the points faster but there is always a shark on the table that will rip ur heart out. I made that mistake too. You're well out of that So to sum it all up, I have been playing online now (small time cash games) for 3/4 years, I have never moved out of the danger zone so have stuck to $5/10 stts (which im good at) $5/30 mtts which I never win but im going through the learning process and 25/50/$1 cash where I sometimes win but mostly lose. Give up playing cash I had about 20 different poker accounts at one stage and one by one I have cleaned them all out. I am now depositing at an alarming rate and always promised myself if I could not afford to play poker that I would quit. This is worrying, can you control the amount you deposit, or are you admitting to yourself that it's out of control ( don't answer just think about it ) Well that day has come. I have tried playing lower stake tables to try and climb back up the ladder but how can you beat a guy who calls all the way to the river to hit trips when you have 2 pair on the flop. I dont have the it in me anymore to fight these fish. This is down to you, I don't believe you, otherwise you wouldn't be posting. When NLHE is kicking me up the kyhber, I wander over to fulltilt & fire up a $1 HORSE or Omaha sng. 50p for an hour's fun - just don't expect to get rich Tonight I thought deposit £25 andthought play tight and double up on a cash table, it was gone in 5 hands. GIVE UP PLAYING CASH !! Simple fact is I cant afford to play anymore. So I dont know what to do. Back to my earlier point. Can you afford a small, weekly sum, or are you totally barasic ? If you don't play poker, how will you fill your time ? How much money will that cost ? If you don't want to play poker, fine. If you're addicted and worrying about losing control, be honest with yourself. But make sure you're asking yourself the right questions I feel I have it in me to be a good player but obviously im lacking in something if im having to deposit all the time. Do I carry on or call it a day? How good do you want to be. Is being a winner at small stakes not good enough for you ? Do you want to compete with the semipros ? Or does the thought of earning a couple of hundred quid a year give you a warm feeling. If you start from scratch, that is easy, just don't aim too high. I've just previewed this. It comes across as patronising bollox. I didn't mean it that way, I'm just trying to give the other side. I'm crap at the game, but I love it. I'm beginning to learn my limitations, and as long as I stay within them, I think I'll be ok. It's such a good game, I want everyone else to love it too. So if you can't be arsed reading all that tosh up there, just remember that the choice is yours alone. If it's out of your control, get out, get help, there's more important things to life. But if you're just fed up with it, and you find you're chucking good money after bad, just lower your expectations, and get back to having fun. BTW - I spent ages writing all that rubbish, so I'm leaving it up there in case anyone's daft enough to plough through it - I did - twice. Gl with whatever you do. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: kinboshi on July 06, 2007, 02:04:16 PM BTW - I spent ages writing all that rubbish, so I'm leaving it up there in case anyone's daft enough to plough through it - I did - twice. :goodpost: (didn't quote the whole thing to save everyone's bandwidth ;D) Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: lazaroonie on July 06, 2007, 05:11:11 PM if you have an edge at STT or MTT, however small , then you must stick to playing that. There is no point in playing cash. it is a completely different discipline.
I conside myself a decent poker player, but know that I am a poor cash player, because I am a compulsive gambler. So a draw to the nuts in a multiway pot - my brain tells me "are you getting the right odds to call here", meanwhile the rest of me is throwing every coin/note/iou onto the table in the hope that it might hit. tournament poker is about as far removed from gambling as I know. its about survival, determination, cunning. So by all means take a break, but if you do decide to play again, stick to what you know. Just because they use the same cards and look the same, the two games are quite different. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: boldie on July 07, 2007, 12:06:35 PM like Mr Red said "Dont play with money you can't afford to lose" It's that simple really.
quit playing untill you have money you can afford to play with, and then only stick to something you have fun with. All this money making malarky is great but poker should be fun first and foremost, otherwise you will never play well. Stick to the stt's when you get back if you do want to make some money (It's what you are decent at, don't even start with cash..it's where you can lose the most the fastest) and like I said..have fun and for God sake don't throw good money after bad. Best of luck to you. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: suzanne on July 08, 2007, 03:07:31 AM After I made that post I decided that I would take a total break from poker and even stay away from Blonde for a while :'(
Next day I knew there was a sat to the women poker tour with longer blinds which suited me much better and with only 30 mins to start there was only 7 reged. Buy in is £10 with $220 pay in to any game...so i deposited AGAIN and the game just made 10 players in the dying minutes. My intentions are to play my A1 game and win this, I know I have a good chance because I have played a few of these and have notes on most of the players. Still the first level. We start with 1500 chips, blinds are 10/5 and im on the button with AA, most of the table have limped in and i raise it to 60, a few call and matey boy makes it 100, I raise it to 700 and he/she is allin and what does he/she have.............wait for it .................64offsuit. Flop comes down........10 6 6 That is typical of what has been happening to me for some time now. I know im an average player and I know im not good enough to win HUGE amounts of money. I play for fun and to socialise buy I cant afford to keep depositing and more to the point I dont WANT to anymore. Last night I decided to check out all my accounts and discovered I still had $2+ on stars so I played 4 games of HU $2 and won 3 of them, then played a $1 27 table and came 4th so I now have $10 woohoo I have read through the posts and would like to thank you to you all for answering Zukertort an excellent post and its got me thinking, Ding you hit the nail on the head and thats exactly where I am and Muahahaha it makes perfect sense and thank you for the slap in the face i needed. I am going to stick by my guns (hopefully) and not deposit anymore and see if I can build a bankroll up from scratch. I have one account that has $42 in it just from freerolls. I am glad I made the post now and ty to all who answered. I will not play cash anymore and im sticking to stts with the few bob i have left and freerolls. I hope to add a positive result to this thread next month. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: MKKfish on July 08, 2007, 09:53:45 AM First two lines of above post says it all...
Personally I don't know how you find the time..what with all the washing, cleaning and cooking that needs doing. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: George2Loose on July 08, 2007, 11:43:30 AM Two very simple pieces of advice:
Take a break- do not touch poker for at least 2 weeks- it helps believe me. Secondly when u do come back, choose ONE site and deposit an amount that will be your bankroll. Your aim is to never ever ever deposit again. Grind it out. Playing for lower stakes is better than not playing at all- remember that. If you stick by these rules and are a decent player you will soon move up limits- if you're playing above your bankroll the variance will kill you. If you can- quit, but it's not always that easy God luck in the future...... Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Eyeofsauron on July 08, 2007, 11:46:56 AM One of the best threads I've read on this forum in quite a while. I can't offer any better advice than what has already been written, so I'll just wish you the best of luck with your goals.
Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: ifm on July 08, 2007, 03:02:05 PM Thing is you deposited again for the wrong reason, why play a sat?
Can you take the cash? If so then ok but if not then you are throwing the money away anyhow. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Graham C on July 08, 2007, 05:42:03 PM Go the freerolls route. I'm considering doing a Chris Ferguson myself and building up to a nice large sum from nothing.
Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: pffa on July 09, 2007, 12:06:33 AM Suzanne,
Take down the Western and you have the beginnings of your bankroll. Lets have a drink and talk it over there. Love Px. Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: suzanne on July 09, 2007, 03:41:55 AM MKKfish GFY in a nice way :-) ie do it gently
George good advise but I have a live game in less than 2 weeks that I would love to do well in. My current form is bad with a capital B and just boosting the meagre funds I have will be encouragement but tonight has been a bad night. My blonde account was £21 last night and is now £13 :-( Ifm I did not play this for the cash. The event is 6 live games played all over the country and points are accumulated for each game you play with seats gaurenteed for the winner. I won my first seat online and won my seat in London the same way. This was a $10 buy in for a seat worth $220 with 10 runners, I would be a fool not to give it a go. I cant unfortunatly play all of them and to be honest I think im maybe out of my depth in these as I found the standard to be very good but if nothing else I am getting experience of a live game with some of the top woman players in the country for a very small price. I played because I would like to play in the Reading game. Look forward to seeing you Paula x Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: The Thistle on July 09, 2007, 10:00:28 AM Hey Suzanne:
A brave post. I really feel for you. I too have looked into the abyss. Not for quite a while now but I remember it well like it was only yesterday. A few words of encouragement.... Asking for help - especially publicly - even amongst forum friends - is a great sign of your willingness to do something to get out what sounds like a losing vortex. You do need to do something, probably several things very differently if you want to break out of that. I would like to try to help if I can. Look me up at the Western on Tuesday if you fancy a chat. No problem if you don't. For what it's worth....I had a life changing piece of advice about 18 months ago from someone who knows a thing or two about winning poker. I didn't get it at the time. I found it quite annoying actually (mainly because I just wanted to get on with the next hand) but for some reason I decided to follow it. He suggested I stop playing poker for at least a week and think about one question and work out the correct answer for me. He said why do you want to play poker? He said you'll answer this and get it wrong several times before you work out the right answer. He was right. I never looked back. The reason I never looked back was once I knew why I wanted to play, the things I needed to do to enjoy myself (note: NOT the same as the things I needed to do to get better at poker - although they were natural consequence) became obvious. I appreciate this might sound like a lot of 'know thyself' type crap. I thought that too. Happy to talk anytime. The Thistle Title: Re: Advise please coz I cant go on like this Post by: Snatiramas on July 09, 2007, 09:25:42 PM Hey Suzanne: A brave post. I really feel for you. I too have looked into the abyss. Not for quite a while now but I remember it well like it was only yesterday. A few words of encouragement.... Asking for help - especially publicly - even amongst forum friends - is a great sign of your willingness to do something to get out what sounds like a losing vortex. You do need to do something, probably several things very differently if you want to break out of that. I would like to try to help if I can. Look me up at the Western on Tuesday if you fancy a chat. No problem if you don't. For what it's worth....I had a life changing piece of advice about 18 months ago from someone who knows a thing or two about winning poker. I didn't get it at the time. I found it quite annoying actually (mainly because I just wanted to get on with the next hand) but for some reason I decided to follow it. He suggested I stop playing poker for at least a week and think about one question and work out the correct answer for me. He said why do you want to play poker? He said you'll answer this and get it wrong several times before you work out the right answer. He was right. I never looked back. The reason I never looked back was once I knew why I wanted to play, the things I needed to do to enjoy myself (note: NOT the same as the things I needed to do to get better at poker - although they were natural consequence) became obvious. I appreciate this might sound like a lot of 'know thyself' type crap. I thought that too. Happy to talk anytime. The Thistle :goodpost: :goodpost: I like this advice a whole lot...........now excuse me whilst I go away and find my belly button......judging by the size of my stomach it may take some years. Typical of the man that he has only just signed up and already adding value....hats off to you sir |