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Title: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: deputydawg on July 26, 2007, 12:24:55 AM
$2/4 cash game 10 handed - all stacks c.$400 +/- 50

UTG+1 limps for $4

I have KK and raise to $16

UTG+1 calls - everyone else folded

flop 522 - he goes all in for c.$350 and I call

He has AA - no help on turn and river

should i have folded?


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: temp0r on July 26, 2007, 01:18:13 AM
normally see 55 turned over here. you might say thats a stupid way to play it but it's very +EV because few can lay down an overpair on that board!
i only call at this limit if i have the appropriate stats/notes to do so. unless he's just joined the table or appears a little mental.


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: PyrE on July 26, 2007, 02:22:37 AM
If the dude going all in is a decent player, then I would most likely insta fold.

Early pos limper - calls your 4xBB raise and the pushes on pretty harmless flop. You will have to think that he puts you on a pretty decent holding as well after your pre flop action, but still pushes. What kind of hands would you have done that with in his/her's shoes?

You should be "very careful" playing for stacks with only a pair - so if you dont have very good reason to call - fold.

But then again, i suck at cash :)


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: kinboshi on July 26, 2007, 10:09:50 AM
What did you put him on out of interest?


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: deputydawg on July 26, 2007, 10:58:43 AM
in my heart of hearts I feared he might have AA as I couldn't see him having a 2 in his hand unless 22 and personally I wouldn't push with 55

However I treated it a little like KK pre flop in a cash game which I would never fold as there is the chance he could play AK, QQ, JJ etc the same way( poss even a middle pair due to limp and call pre flop). Because of that I though there was >50% I was ahead and called

Unfortunately I had been about to sit out but the guy that should have been BB sat out and I was BB b4 I knew it so decided to play another round


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: Moskvich on July 26, 2007, 11:28:59 AM
If the guy's anything approaching a decent player there's surely nothing he does this with that you can beat, except a genuine misclick. Would you do this with QQ or JJ? Surely there's just no point - you never get paid if you're ahead, as JJ/TT/AK simply isn't going to call when it needs to win 47% to break even. And if he's the sort of player to limp/call with QQ/JJ, then he might well be the sort to limp/call with A2s, in which case you've also had it. If he'd check-raised you on the flop then you probably have to shove it in, but with full stacks against an unknown/average player I can't see how you're going to win 50% of these.

My paranoia about KK is becoming increasingly deep-rooted however... Managed to run it into AA twice in the space of a minute on different tables the other day lol.


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: The_Diamond on July 28, 2007, 02:13:30 AM
lol! What a ridiculous all-in. Unless you have history on this guy you have to always fold. Such a huge all in will be the nuts or close to it all to often. As a bonus he saves you a fortune when you can throw away KK.


Title: Re: Did I make a bad call?
Post by: AlexMartin on July 29, 2007, 01:09:01 AM
Got to save yourself money here m8, learn to fold this quickly. Big bets are nearly always the nut or near nut, simple fold.