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Blonde forum members, prize structure Blonde style, Long clocks etc. whatever entrance you'd prefer. Possibly a percentage of prize money to charity? Just a few Ideas, anybody interested?

I'd be interested, dependant on when and how much :)

Heid
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Yes.  I'll be there.

As I said in a different post, Saturdays are not booked at the moment, and we set aside Thursdays for this type of thing.
Freezeout or Rebuys. £20 is affordable by most or a £100 freezeout for example

i was gonna bring this up with yopu tonight lol, idea came afte rthe blonde xmas party thread hehehhe no doubt i'll be there, just wont be able to play :(

I didn't say where, but obviously I was hoping to have it at the Broadway.

How about January 7th as a new years do for blondites?

£100 freezeout, Jan 7th.  Reserve me a seat, dik9.

I second that. That would be spot on.

I would come to that

Good idea dik9!

id be up for it too

Very good Idea, we need El Blondie to set this up for sure.

would it have to be as high as £100 freeze. as with online games should we not be catering to ALL blondites pockets. £50 max for me as it's not about the money and many will have travel costs to take into consideration too.

on the other hand is it worth some people having to travel a long long way for less than a £100 tourney?

yes, because it's not about the money. there'll be a few players with a considerable egde so most will be travelling as dead money, going for the experience of playing the pros.

I just thought £100 would be a happy medium. I am not rich (trust me) but as a special I think £100 could cater for any player. Its a night out, and I know even if I go for a drink in Birmingham it would cost me more than that. Online is slightly different as ther are so many comps to choose from. IMO live is worth it.

I am sure dik9 would put on SNG's and small stakes cash games to make it a day to remember for those with all ranges of bankroll. It needn't just be about one freezeout.

A good hotel deal would be nice too.

very few people spend £100 on a night out and a £100 tourney when you're up against seasoned world class pros will not represent a good value game. £100 is enough to rule out a sizable portion of Blondites

Dependant on numbers I will sort something out. Side games of course. The freezeout was just a suggestion. I will run a poll once people are interested.

yes, let's see what "package" of events TonyG, ElBlondie and dik9 can come up with should they decide to take it further


Adam I take your point...you never know, how about an online satellite?


there are ways round the issue!


p.s these seasoned world class pros..........fish I tell you, the whole lot of 'em

nice idea!

£100 Jan 7th, fine idea save me a seat.

£100 is quite alot to some people maybe it could be a double chance freezeout so if you run kings into aces 1st hand it doesnt ruin your night. £50 is ok as you could also have some sit n gos. but to be honest i wouldnt want to lose £100 then go and play £50 sit n gos but if i lost £50 then i wouldnt mind playing them. does that make sense ???

If it were a freezeout it would be double chance, as obviously people will have travelled. Knocked out first hand is a biatch.

ok.
one more comment then. would it not be better to have a main MTT to suit all pockets then a variety of side action than have an exclisive Main event?

I am up for it wherever and whenever. Ok a stupid question whats a double chance tournament ?

Before the smut brigade get hold of my previous I am up for a poker tourney wherever and whenever ::)

Double chance


Basic version you start with 5,000 chips...if you lose thenm at any point in first x levels you get a second chance and another 5,000 chips. If you haven't needed them at the end of the x levels, you get them then

Other versions...you have the option to take your second helping at chips at the start, or say when you are <50% of your starting chips


As has been said...you travel hundreds of miles for a freezeout and find KK vs AA first level....you're miffed...double chance would attract more players

Spot on. Let's try making it available to all if we do it.

Great idea, but would prefer it was a £50 freezeout, especially as it will be just after xmas.

Ang  *r

Good point. Please don't buy me any socks this year though.

Boxer shorts  >:?

Ang  *r

No thanks. Plane ticket to Sri Lanka?  :)up

One way??  ;D

Ang  *r

Ouch.

One way? only if you're coming too!

I was thinking more for Davey... ;D

Ang  *r

I don't mind what value you play at, as I would be running it not playing it :)up
Just want to get some interest first then decide what value.

I be up for it

why not make it over a weekend with a couple of different tournies running like  nl holdem of course maybe a game of pl omaha and a game of pl holdem.

sure we could get a good discount with a group booking

and as no one is making a profit from it you could hold it in a hotel or conference room and just hire the tables in. maybe able to get forum sponsors to hire the tables so they could film it for there tv channel 425.

all the best

4dam

The Broadway is a casino lol dealers provided no juice. If you want it in a hotel thats cool, I can play ;D

Thanks for the explanation tightend .

 Does this affect strategy early on? Do people flop about a bit more with 64s and stuff because they know they are really playing with 5000 safe in reserve? Does it push people to be more aggressive earlier before the double chance ends ect...?

Include me in this please £100 or £50 freeze would be fine.

I agree with this and most of your other comments.

Surely the point is to all get together and have a good time?

sounds great, need to play more live poker

love the sound of an omaha game :)up

same sort of buy-in

I take it there is somewhere for the wife to shop near by :-\

not much fun in sitting on the side lines watching others play because you haven't got £100 to throw at a game straight after christmas.

Indeed and I wouldn't play if it was £100, I simply can't afford it.

All I am really after is a shown interest in the idea? Prices can be sorted out once people agree that they would like a live Blonde event.

oh, don't get me wrong, definitely interested. the reason I straight away got an opinion in on the money was because I'm really keen to play this. I would actually like you to re-do the poll with £30 freeze in aswell. straight after christmas £50 plus side games + travel is still pricey. I would rather see a £30 freezeout plus a range of STTs and Cash games springing up on the side. I'f sure Im not the only one whjo's keen to take on the big boys but I need to do it at my prices, not theirs.

I don't mind what the buy-in is.  I just like playing at Broadway and online against you guys.

If it was a £10 freezeout I'd still come along.

can you reset the poll, some of the votes for £50 may like to vote again

ditch the rebuy option. who want to play a against a pofessionals very deep pockets in a re buy?

30 freeze
50 freeze
100 freeze

Poll is reset, please vote!!!

just remember the pro's have to be there for you to play them. Will making it to cheap put the players you want to play against off?

£100 freeze and sats for those that cant afford it.

not if they're true Blondites. If the buy in is too high I'd hate for pros to turn up just because of the value. I'm going to try and get into Robs next game because, a) I think I can win it and b) £9000 is a life changing sum to someone like me

Just seen this thread....Agreat idea and would be definately up for this IF its at a weekend.

Not too worried about the buy in but agree it should be a freezeout.

Looking forward to it    ;D

If its at the Broadway then Saturday is good, thats why I said 7th Jan that gives me time to organise it and a nice bring in to the new year.

Hows this for an idea Pay £25.00 get 1/4 payout on any prize pay £50 get 1/2 pay £100 get whole prize.
Any left overs go to those who paid £100.00 split by % finish
will cater all pockets.

seems like a good idea but not sure on the Gaming Boards view on this. As it maybe a private hire of card room it may be possible. Will get back to you.

It's not necessary to be that complicated. when we've had blonde tourneys previously it's always been specifically set up to cater for all Blondites pockets. I don't see why the live game should be any different.
just as an example;
main event £30
a couple of STTs £40
petrol £20
two meals and a few drinks £20
£110 the week after christmas. this will already be beyond many of the people using this board. make that a £50 or £100 game with £50 STTs and it may as well be a £500 for all the difference it'd make to most of us.
This shouldn't be for the touring festival players. It should be for the grass roots players that make up the majority of our membership

So run sats for it!

no, because for every sat only 1 or 2 people get to play the main game, defeating the object of it being for all Blondites

of there are enough games enough players will get in. I might play a sat for a laugh but would buy in anyway. Dead money already.

If i am to attend this then i would have to spend £50 on train, more on food/drink and then a hotel, if i am going to spend say £100-£150 on expenses then £70 diffrence between £30 and £100 fo is not a massive amount but now makes the game worthwile.

A few of you will know there was a similar event organised by PONTECARLO for the Betfair Forum, this was a very successful event with over 120 runners. It was a wicked time and a great day out and the focus wasnt POKER it was meeting new people and having a ball.

The event was £100 freezeout with a decent structure. I for one am not rich so nearer £50 would suit my pocket but i understand people's points when they say £100 is probably the best figure.

Its a fantastic idea and im sure we will get plenty of players. Just a thought here, the Betfair game was obviously sponsored. They chucked a few things in i dont know exactly what they were but still freebies are freebies whether it be a t shirt or 10k added to the prize pool something is something.

With the amount of custom BlondePoker has generated for certain poker sites im almost certain they will be queuing up to offer a sponsorship deal and a good one at that. I look forward to hearing more

regards

Ben

I woul play a £3 blonde tournament online.

The hassle and expense of getting to Brum and staying in a hotel means it would be pointless for a £30 comp. £100 got my vote although I may come for £50. But £30 does seem too little.

Ok what about this for an idea instead. What about a free roll for forum members joined by a certain date. For some form of prize or prizes and bragging rights. Maybe the odd amount of money from the titan game? I will see if the casino will add anything (they may do , but I wont hold my breath). Maybe make it an annual title?

I still fancy a £100 freezeout but I cant play. Up to you guys!!

the problem with having it in a casino would mean that a number of blondites couldnt turn up let alone play
they are staff at other casinos

i think other options should be explored that way dik9 bluewolfie yogibear nightfly freak foxy minx etc etc could all come and play some cards and get pissed

sounds good ironside :)up but we probably wont be allowed to play anywhere as 2 or 3 of us will be working on any day its organised

people saying it's pointless for less than £100 are missing the point. It's surely not about the size of the prizes, it's a Blonde social event. £100 plus expenses if a serious ammount of money to many of us and when when you start talking about £250+ including expenses it becomes unreasonable for most of us. by all means organise it at what ever level you think best, but you alienate most when you get beyond £50.

Adam i think you are missing the point, you say £250+ for a £100 FO. Well its still going to be £180 for a £30 FO. Really not a massive diffrence but if you get a result at least u will come out ahead.

yes it is to some of us. straight after christmas that kind of money is unfeasable to many. for me it'd be a £50 max buy in and travel costs. very unlikely I'd be able to play any side action and and food / drinks would be kept to a minimum.

flush is correct it expensive for me to travel down for a £30 FO as even if i win the event it wont pay my expensise but if it was a £100 FO i would pay out an extra £70 but i would cover my expenses and show a profit WHEN i win

flight to brum £200 hotel £100 carpark£30 petrol£20 taxis £40 food £40 (unless i am taking reddog for a meal when i need a 2nd morgage) the £70 extra in costs isn't that much in the scheme of things a £30 FO i would struggle to pay for all that by winning

If it was £100 freezeout... we could have weekly £3/£5 super satellites on crypto or pokerstars.

Yes, it would be a social event mainly. But you can spend £100 on a night out nowadays. I don't think that would be too big especially if it was a double chance freezeout.

we could start a blonde christmas club where you pay a little in each week so that the cost of comp is taken care of without you noticing

Can I just add that this has by know means been discussed with Tikay or anybody else. I have a venue, we have a community that enjoy cards. Just though it was a different experience to online, and people could meet face to face rather than name to name. No dodgy business an all above board competition (btw not implying there has ever been any dodgy business) Just a normal Blonde comp.

only if I want the family to starve

i agree with the £100 freezeout or a double chance

i understand what adam is saying about £100 being a lot. but a £30 freeze out is just not worth while it would be a little out lay for such a big weekend and you would have nowt to show for it unless you get top 3

at the end of the day if we were looking at 7th of jan its over 15 weeks away and iam sure there is time to save up 4 it

yes it is a social event but making it £30 would not attract the numbers from far away

if cost is a prob there can always be a £25 freeze out sat earlier in the day and if you dont make it you can hang about to rail bird us all on

adam we will let you sell some shirts then you can claim tax back on it

only 3 people can get top 3. everyone else is likely to be making a loss. some people can bare less of a loss than others. I would obviously be doing my best to win but £100 is more than I could afford to lose.

I would hope I could bring some shirts but that wont pay for my poker

one in ten will make a profit, Is that not the idea of the game? Thats poker. As was stated earlier it is 12 weeks away, surely for an EVENT an effort could be made for a social gathering of Blonde. I can understand the expense for any old tourny, but hopefully this would be something special where you can play the pro s for a relatively cheap price and test your game.

Dik,

Like the idea I have voted for the £30 option but I do understand the view of other players with regards to value etc.  I fear £100 will be beyond me but if sats are offered I will be trying.  The thought of puting some names to faces on here does offer a big incentive.  And the £30 or £50 option would offer somebody like me value, but basic home money management makes the £100 a stretch.

The proposed date does bother me - are allot of the membes not going on the Ladbrokes Cruise I believe its the same date.  If not I hope you get this off the ground and I hope I get an oppertunity to meet you all soon.

Should you be playing poker if spending £100 means your family will starve?

I'm in - if its a £100 f/o :)

Hi all.

This is a grand idea.

However, creating a comp that caters for such a broad range of members is a unavoidable nightmare.

But... where there's a will there's a way.

Personally, I think we should make it a double chance freezout. Not only does this stop people being busted first hand, but it also means that if people can't afford the rebuy, they can just play it as a freezout. True, it does mean that the deeper pockets have a better chance, but this didn't stop many playing the Notts event as a freezout. Also, as people keep saying, it's not really about the money as such, so would it really matter if the deeper pockets had that slight advantage over the rest?

We have a cradroom manager in dik, we have a casino with bar, restaurant, tables, etc in the Broadway. To not hold it at this place with this available to us would be a missed opportunity. Plus, it's a fantastic casino and possibly the best in England.

It has to be a weekend so the maximum amount of Blondites can play. And it will have to start early as most double chance freezouts are two day events. We wouldn't want to have to sacrifice the clocks and blind structure to fit it all in.

Anyhows, great idea and I'm up for it whatever happens.

I agree with Stroppy   0:-)

i just don't get where the rebuys come in ??? ???

snoopy, a double chance freezeout is a freezeout so why would somebody with deeper pockets have a slight advantage??

I think he meant a £50 max 1 rebuy....

i dont think he knows what he meant  :o

he thinks 23 off is a great hand!! ;D

I understand where adam's coming from,  he obviously takes his responsibilities very seriously. He has a young family and is trying to get a business off the ground with little capital. From what I've seen, he is a more than a fair player at the level his bankroll supports and the fact that he is sticking to that level should be commended not knocked. comments like "well don't play poker" are a bit carp really.

Mind you, I also think he's in the minority, not the majority here - and Mr. Hawkins has made a good point.

I think £100 makes it an 'event' and is more likely to attract the attention of good players. I completely take the point of playing a forum tournie for as little as you like online but live *is* different.

I imagine most of the up and coming players posting here have now played £10 or £20 re-buys at their casino, or perhaps even £50 freezeouts. I played a £150 + £15 re-buy at a festival for my first live game because I'd started to final table consistently in MTTs on Betfair and wanted to find out whether I was any good. That £165 gave me a very clear idea of where I was and probably saved me a lot of money. It also does not compare to the lower-level stakes games I've settled at for now, even tho' that also has some very good players.

But if it doesn't hurt you in the pocket a bit when you lose, then you aren't playing to your full potential.

If it takes £100 to bring in the better players than that's what it takes. If you don't bring in the better players than it's just the poker equivalent of a star trek fans convention with Data as the main attraction.

But I can see how the suggested date could be an issue.

I can see the logic that if other voices have a say in how the budget is spent, it's difficult to justify £200+ on a jolly when you've just gone skint celebrating the holidays. Perhaps those people could pitch it as an extension of the festivities and budget accordingly, 7 Jan - the 13th day of christmas perhaps? Well, perhaps not but I don't think it should be a show-stopper either.

Perhaps a £100 double-chance nearer Easter would be a better idea?



and 23o rocks...

Yes. Sry, ignore that point. I'm being really thick with millions of whooooooshes going my way.

It's being an 'I am thick and shouldn't be thinking so much'. - as proven in my thread I just posted.

I don't know if I have this option available to me, but I'm going to pull it out anyway.

Yellow card!

have alook at his new thread "Assumption......"

Post of the day  ;D

23 is that not the hand you lost all of smithy's chips with

sssshhhhhhhh Dan, Smithy thinks he was "card dead" :o

I was!

23 is what I call card dead.

 :-\

it was the 3rd hand you played!!!!!!!!!

yes, well the 2 be4 were rags.  ::)

still card dead.  :-\

 :blonde:   Where is Broadway?

Birmingham according to the earlier posts.

Do me a favour and take the sarcastic head off!

How is that sarcastic!! it is in Birmingham

I won't play higher than a £50 fo. Sorry, but I think some people are looking at this more from a financial viewpoint than a chance to meet up and socialise.

Surely the best thing is to do is go with the majority.

Leave the poll up for a few days and whatever the final result is, we go with..

Fairy nuff?

Heheh, we could take the percentages of what people want... 14/43*50 + 18/43*100 + 10/43*30 = A roughly £65 freezeout.  :)

I think 2 different ideas are getting confused here. A blonde get-together, with some poker thrown in, & an out & out blonde Tournament. What is THIS one intended to be?

The first is a goer. I am not sure about the second.

I have voted for a £30 Freezeout, & I could be persuaded to support a £50 freezeout. There are many folks who just can't run to £100 or more - don't forget, they have travelling exs and hotel costs on top, too.

blonde Tourneys are more about bragging rights & the craic than money. There has not been a great deal of support for the lower level buy-ins, though Adam has, characteristically, stood his corner stubbornly. But for every Adam, happy to acknowldge he has to balance his books & priorities with great care, there are a dozen who are in the same boat, but don't feel able to admit it. It's not macho to say "I can't afford it", men being men......

I am sure that blonde could chip in some money, either to subsidise the hotel costs, or add to the tourney. And we couild get our corporate Partners to assist in that respect.

If it's just about money, well, there are tourneys anywhere & everywhere available to play. If it's to be a B & M version of an online blonde Tourney, let's keep the cost down & give everyone a chance. I bet 90% of the blondeites can't afford a £100 comp, or would be "playing scared" at that level.

It just happens that, losing £100 in a tourney does not mean a deal to me, or to El Blondie for that matter. But outplaying other guys DOES. Whether it be £30 or £300, the satisfaction is the same.

I'd like to think that those able to afford more could manage to drop down a level just for one evening, & blend in with the majority who, in my opinion, simply can't afford a £100 Tourney. In any event, there is nothing to stop some of the better-heeled guys having some side action afer the "feature" comp.

I wanna meet as many of the blondeites as I can. Excluding them by having the entry barrier too high is self-defeating, in my view.

The funny thing is that even if this was a £1 freezout, I think folk would still play their A game due to the bragging rights on offer.

how about a low level freezeout £30 or so on the sunday of a festival (if the casino hasnt got any other plans) the big name blondites will be there hoping to be playing final table of the main event and the rest of can railbird and play a small buy in comp those of us traveling a long distance can play the main event to make in finaically worthwhile.

the £30 freezeout would have to be blonde only event and names given before we got there

Well, why not have a blonde Christmas Party or something?

I said ages ago I would play a £3 online blonde tournament... which is obviously for fun.

But, for a live tournament, with all the costs involved in getting there, staying in a hotel and food and drinks The Blonde Championship if you like, should be for an amount which means something.

If it was 3 months away, surely anyone who wanted to play could either save a tenner a week or play a super to win a seat.

And if you had perhaps a £10 super on the day, then those who didn't win a seat could still hang around and railbird.

But, when all is said and done, I would go with the majority view what ever that was.

I'm with you on that Keith, a lot of poker is about escalating your winnings from comp to comp. However you method also always all to enter and get involved.

I think I will start money raising now in time for the big day! Nip you for a tenner Mate?  ;D

Well we are thinking of a blonde Crimble party Camel, but we were hoping you would not find out. I mean, we have the cost of the buffet to consider.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

the thinking was that kiv redog and the_camel were not to be informed about the christmas buffet as to allow the rest of a bite or 2

I'll have their share  ;D

robert you are the doorman we will bring you out a saucer with a few saugage rolls and a mince meat pie on

I'm a growing lad!!!

I know that because the bathroom scales say so  ::)

PRECISELY! So why does it have to be a £100 comp?

I'll go with the majority but I've heard "It isn't about the money" several times on this thread so what's wrong with a £30 jobbie?

Let the people decide....

If it's not about the money have a social meeting without a poker tournament.

If you want to have a tournament I think it should be for something worth winning... If you are usually a £10/£20 player, then there is plenty of time to save up to play it.  The costs for plenty of players to attend from long distances make it not cost effective to travel 200 miles+ for a £30 comp.

The fun tournaments online are great. I vote for a blonde championship live with a decent prize to the winner.

My vote's for the £30 FO.

My primary motivation would be to meet all of you guys, however, we know each other through a shared interest, and to meet up and watch (because of the size of the buy in), just doesn't feel right.

I say LET ALL BLONDITES PLAY! We shouldn't need to qualfiy to go to our own party :o IMO

cheers


Del

Now if there was a trophy to play for then the bragging rights would be HUGE!!  :)up :)up :)up

Is that an offer?????

Dont u sleep? :hello:

do you?

Phone woke me up, work, going back to bed. Got to love internet poker, played a cash game whilst on the phone. $9.94 up but the blooming phone will cost someone a lot more.
Sweet Dreams all

 good night, playing these American sites, strange tourny starting times.
Are you playing anywhere Ironside

played 5 games in last 5 weeks

just sat catching up with alot of tv i have recorded and not watched

only 8 more hours of the bill to go before i can start watching the 2nd series of the 4400

YES

Is it just me or is everyone missing Adam M's point here, the event is supposed to be like a xmas night out, and to much thought is going into, the prize pool, and too many people are already counting the winnings to try to cover the travel expenses, think of it as a social event, without any poker at all, you wouldnt get your travel expenses back then would you, but i know a lot of people would still turn up for the occasion.

So the main factor inb this shouldnt bee getting the prize pool up, it should be getting blondes together for a great laugh and drink etc etc.

If its £50 or less im 99% certain ill be there, as ill need £50 travel money, and im not outlaying more than £100

If its more than £50 buy in, there no chance i can afford to travel down.

PS is there any of this in Midlands or north of england, for all up scots, that yous love so well.

Dave

Who knows, if this one works, there might be thought of an event in Scotland......


we'd love to come up and take your money back with us  :)up

exactly.

What it basically sounds like the Camel is saying is, because travel costs are going to be high he'll need his prize to be higher. The point is this event isn't just an opportunity for the grass roots Blondites to contribute to the high roller Blondites Bankrolls. I don't know exactly what Dik had in mind but when this has been talked about before the idea has been for an opportunity for the little guys to play the big guys at the little guys buy in level. if it's too cheap for any of the big boys to want to play, unfortunate but so be it. I would rather play 200 Blondites at £30 than play 50 Blondites at £100 and I think that is your basic choice.
If the Big boys need more action to make it worth their while then set up some £5/£10 cash games or £100 STTs and us minows can enjoy the £30 comp and some £10 STTs and 50p/£1 cash.

I don't necessarily think this needs to be decided democratically (I would say that as £30 is not winning) I think a management decision is more appropriate. as Tikay said, there may be a chance of added value from else where which should reduce the need for high buy ins.
The Pro's should be treating this as a minor expense, not a profit making trip. if a £1000 1st prize isn't enough to draw your best game, you're missing the point IMO

Stubborn Tikay, me?

I've just read through this and am pretty shocked by how a couple of members have responed to this thread.

In my opinion this is a great idea and we should all do our best to make sure as many Blondes can make it as possible. £30 seems perfect for that, although a £50 is do-able too.

I'm sure if I posted a thread up about playing above my bank roll people would tell me not to, but here we've got people encouraging people to play £100 tournys - despite them saying its out of their budget.

Sats for the game - awful idea, completely missing the point.

For those thinking about the money here, just forget theres any prize money at all. The weekend will cost you X amount and its just a weekend away. It seems ironic that the players with a bankroll are complaining about potential costs where as players who have implied they have less of a bankroll seem happy to just have a good night/weekend out with the people at Blonde and put those flashing $$$$ out of the picture just for a little while.

This a about having a good night out and giving some bragging rights, not about how many Blondes bankrolls we can break in one night.

£100 is not a lot of money. I'm skint, in fact I'm about £200K in debt including my mortgage but I can still manage to save a oner in two and a half months or whatever it is. Everyone thinks their point is more important than everyone else's, well here's mine. I WANNA PLAY THE CAMEL. I sat at his table in Deauville in February and pooped my pants. Too scared to get involved in a pot with him. I want to see if my live game has improved. I want the chance to play top level players for only a £100. WOW £100 and I can play The Camel, Tikay and possibly some other people I've only ever seen on TV before. A £30 freezeout is not gonna get them playing their A game. It would be like me playing a Blonde $5 online tourney or something, yeah I'd like to win but at the end of the day I don't give a monkeys... try to double up early, if not I can try to make some money somewhere else. We're poker players FFS, don't you want to improve your game? £100 could be the cheapest most important lesson you ever get. You could learn stuff that will make you thousands.

Travelling up to Birmingham will cost me at least a couple of hundred. It ain't worth it for a £50 tourney. I might as well sit at home and grind out a few quid an hour like I normally do. Seriously I think a lot of people could be losing out on the opportunity of a lifetime here for a few measely quid. £10 a week how could you save that? Have a few less pints at the weekend. Smoke 2 packets of fags less every week. Come on guys it ain't that hard is it. Cut out one takeaway pizza a week and you've got the money.

AdamM, I will quite happily stake you £50 if this does turn out to be a £100 FO. I consider this to be a +ev agreement for me. Seriously. 

"£100 is not a lot of money"


I'm sorry, I don't agree.

I'm not going to give you a sob story or anything, but to some of us £100 is a lot of money. I can't speak for everyone, but from reading this post so far I think there's a few more blondes that probably think the same.

OK one more point and I'll shut up. I presume most people who want to play this event are poker players. Perhaps you could try to... win the money.  :)up

Guys, look at the poll, there are (at least) two different constituencies amongst those who have votedand clearly different people are looking for different things out of an event like this

It may well be that some compromise is necessary on both sides

thanks Byronkincaid. thats actually the second such offer I've had. Don't know how i got the image of a +ev investment option but it is of course correct ;)
that still wont solve the problem for the rest of the 80% of Blondites who can't afford £100. you're making the same mistake as I mentioned before. If it's gonna cost you £200 to travel up the tourney entry is a further cost. the difference between £230 and £300 is significant to some. to thoers both are out of the question. I personally would be looking at a shared petrol cost with 3 other Notts Blondes, £20 for a bite to eat and a few drink and then £50 ish for poker (£30 main even and a couple of £10 STTs) well under £100 TOTAL. that would suit most peoples pockets. as I say, people with bigger bankrolls could then play some bigger stakes side action. you wanna take the Camel on for £100 I'm sure he's be happy to accommodate you.

I agree that compromise is required, but for me thats an affordable multi and a range of side games
you could argue the £50 and £30 votes out weigh the £100

and to paraphrase The Camel, he has said he would play a £50er and he has indicated, as far as I can tell, a willingness to accomodate the needs of the Blondeites as a Whole


I think there is a middle ground here......

Definitely. I think £50 is looking the most sensible option. Nice slow clock, plenty of time to play.

In a big game like this, side game action will take the foreground for 80% of the players anyway after a while, so as long as every pocket is taken into account for there, we'll have no problems. 5p/10p cash game anyone?

Picking up on something "Dave" (that's Scottish Dave) said. I noted this earlier, but I can't remember where I posted it.

We are likely to duplicate this evening a month or so earlier or later. The thinking is to do one in Scotland, as we have so many Scottish Members, & it's hellish expensive to travel from Scotland to Brum. And for reasons I don't need to explain here - you've seen it in the Cincins thread - we'd likely hold it at Cincins.

I tend to agree with the Camel's points in the whole, although I do understand

Adam's predicament.(Not sure where the 80% figure was plucked from though, certainly not the poll)

I would prefer a £100 f/o, as I feel that it would be played seriously by all, but a £50 seems like a reasonable compromise.

Having said that, I will come and play whatever price is agreed  :)up

80% was obviously a random guess but theres only been 55 votes so I dont think thats a reasonable sample either. As I said, I think a management decision is more appropriate than a vote.

and I feel the same as Karabiner....a good craic and a good range of games apart from the main tournament, and I can live with any of the mooted buy in levels


There are at least 1400 of you I ain't met yet!

Well as the idea - to ME, at any rate - was to get to meet as many fellow blondes as possible, my vote (but I guess we have to let El Blondie & Co have a vote) would go to the lower buy in, simply because it makes it available to more peeps.

And I think we upset some whatever decision we make. But we upset LESS going for the lower buy-in!

Whatever people decide, I am game (stop it you pervs!)

Heid
xx

£50 is certainly more affordable, but would reduce the ammount of side action lower end players could take part in. £30 MTT would mean most of us could afford a bit of STT/cash.
Doesn't effect me cos I'm winning it.

Why dont we make it free to enter?

Surely if its not about the money then a play money comp is just as good.

ok

and especially for Flushie, he'll accept a £10,000 last longer bet from anyone  ::)

Not anyone, just you!!!

Seriously though if the buyin is such a problem, lets not have one.

many of our number have never played live. a low buy in poker comp with a cash prize with fellow blondites would be very appealing. I thought you were being sarcastic when you suggested no buy in at all. I personally wouldn't mind that but I think a low affordable buy in would be a more rewarding experience for all.

Lol no, i am being serious. £30 will price people out aswell, so if the am is truely to get as many involved as possible then no buyin with a small pool put up by a sponsor or blonde would be the best option.

A trophy maybe enough.

Those with wallets can set up games after the "biggie"

Free would be fine for me. But I dunno how people would play if that was the case. From what I've read some people see recouping their expenses as quite a high priority, so if £100 STTs are available then I wouldn't be surpirsed to see people dump off their chips in order to get some "real action".

Maybe £30 would breed the same attitude, but it would at least give you a little incenstive to stay in.

Personally, I want a buy in...a £5 note would do! Not to recoup expenses or fund my retirement, just cos I'm competitive and it will concentrate the mind


Apart from that..... :ironside:

When I play poker with my friend at home  tell him it's against my religion not to play for money. I keep all his pound coins wit my chip set.  >:D

I agree, a cash prize is necessary but it doesnt need to be huge. I would imaging a £30 buy ijn would easily produce a £1000+ 1st prize which would be a welcome cash injection to many of us and a cost coverer for ALL.

Adam £30 to some is less relevant to others. By having it as free we are all on an equal footing.

even if it's a tenner I think it has to be for money. I'm keen for it to match as many peoples pockets as possible but I think no stake is too far. I would still play it though and would rather it be £0 than £100

My point is, some people will be comfortable at £100 but a lot wont so thats fair, not £100.

Some will be at £30, a few wont be, and then some will not bother.

At £0 no-one has a diffrent perspective, we all know its purely about the honour of coming 2nd to me...i mean trying to win.

Just a thought

Low buy in with heavy action on the last longer bets?

but what I'm saying is that those that 'won't bother' for £30 are missing the point. Those that want to lock horns with the pros at an affordable buy in tourney will want paying if they win. It doesn't have to be much but as you know, poker is a game of skill where we use money to keep score.
When Brian Wilson gets his HU rematch against me I'm sure he's not expecting to play fo much money but I'm sure I'll get his A game, even if it's for £10.

Same as those who 'won't bother' for £0

I would not bother for a £0 buy-in.  Part of the thrill of a tourney for me is that it involves risking something to win something. Guess thats the "gamble" in me  :)up

Would prefer £50-£100 freezout but would play for £30 as well. 

Why not make it a £25 event with one rebuy?  Seems to be the middle ground to me....

Phil.

Adam, if you had invested the energy spent on this thread on marketing your shirts, or playing low limit tourneys online you'd have the extra bloody 50 sheets by now!!!

from what i can remember £30 fo wasnt an option at 1st and everybody who said they didnt want to play £100 said they would rather play for £50. then a £30 fo was added to the vote which i thought was slightly silly because if you were going to vote for £100 you would still vote that but if you were going to vote for £50 you might go for £30 instead.

what i am trying to say is that if the £30 option wasnt there i think the £50 option would be ahead in the voting and there wouldnt be an arguement as that is what seems to be a happy medium

welcome to blonde. don't know if your post was meant to sound as aggressive as it did

I may well personally be able to afford £100, it's more the principle that the tourney should be accessable for as many members as possible, and I don't think £100 dies that

Welcome Pokerron to the Blonde Forum.

So we agree on £0?

flushy are you serious about £0?

if so, do you think it would make for a good tournament, you would take risks you wouldnt, normally play hands you wouldnt normally (although im not sure this is a good example to use on you :D) people will be glad to get out so they can play side games

no Dan, I think for some reason he's trying to wind me up.

This thread is starting to get ridicolous.

Royalflush - you know exactly the point Adam is making, and you're taking it to a stupid level. We are all poker players, we all want to play for a little money, even if it's a sweetener, but we haven't all got the bankrolls that allow us to play for £100.

Somone else said that even if we played for a fiver it would help keep the mind focused, that is exactly the reason we need a buy-in just so it's actually a contest not so its "worth playing for".

So far no-one has objected to £30, so that seems low enough to me. £0 would also be fine, but everyone is willing and able to stump up £30, we may as well go for that.

Im definitley interested in this event and would probably play even if it was a 100 freeze. I have to say to be fair to all that we should aim for a lower buy in including myself. I understand the point being made by the camel et al, that he wants the prize to be significant enough to mean something to him. Yet if we want to play for more money i think side action can easily be put on to accomodate the higher bankrolls. I think the point is that this is meant to be a BLONDE tournament and therefore should be made to accomodate the greater majority. I think alienating the smaller bankrolls would be totally against the spriit of blonde. Come on guys lets comprimise and have a good weekend.

Well I'd certainly want to go & play in this (even if it is all the way down in Birmingham) - mainly to put faces to names.

£100 on top of travel/accomodation & the pain of sharing a car with Dave & Teacake ;) is a bit much... I think a £50 Double Chance is fair for the 'main event' & various levels of SNG's & cash games will allow the bigger money players to get some value as well.

Tikay, I'd love to see a Blonde Festival in Cincins - but would be happy to take a trip to Birmingham for one as well - to meet more blondeites if nothing else.

 :goodpost:

By no means am i trying to wind anyone up. I dont think i am taking anything to a stupid level. Here is an example

Last 4 players Camel, El Blondie, Tikay and small stakes blonde player. If the payout was say 1200-700-500-300 the blonde player would probably figure these guys will kill each other and he might sneak 2nd/3rd.

Now if the buyin was £0 with a small freeroll prize and its the same 4 players, then the small stake player can now 'show his/her game' and have no money pressure. Thus a better chance of winning.

This is my point, if its a blonde tournament then i think it should be played in the spirit of blonde.


Dan the point you make about "taking stupid risks" well do you think that all the £100+ players wont take those in a £30 comp? I think that £0 will provide the "fairest" game and give us the true blonde champion!

Tikay in the final 4? Now I know this is a wind up.  O0

I said Tikay because i thought that would set up Ironside for a joke but you nicked it!!

Just to add my two cents - i'd be up for a blonde tourney, i voted for the £100 freezeout but can also understand the concerns of others who may think that this is too expensive. I'm sure that over the next week or so an arrangement will be made to suit as many of us as is possible.

Let me know the final outcome and i can start packing the bananas.......

i do, yes that is why i think £50 is a happy medium it allows small stake players to play and it gives people with a big bankroll a decent enough prize pool to make it worth their while.

people say they cant afford £50 but like previous people have said if you saved a bit each week it is not a unreasonable target.

I actually like the idea of a freeroll, yet still play for a reasonable cash prize OR if it was in January, I have a festival in February, so I maybe able to give a few seats away i.e. £1000 seat for 1st, £500 seat for second, £300 seat for 3 £100 seat for 4th. Then the big boys will come even for a freeroll. I will run this past my superiors (THIS IS ONLY A SUGGESTION SO DONT TAKE IT LITERALLY ) I may get laughed at, but they are pretty reasonble guys!

personally i dont think something like this would work, i wouldnt think that too many people are going to travel a long way to play in a tourney where say only the top 3-4% would win anything. I dont play cash games or STT's only MTT's and therefore the only tourney i would play in is the blonde tourney. I wouldnt be able to play any festival events as most are now 2 day events during the week and i wouldnt be able to get time off work and so i wouldnt want to enter a tourney where the only prizes were seats for tourneys i couldnt play.

AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WANT A SOCIAL GATHERING, PLAY A BIT OF A POKER AND MAYBE GET A BONUS, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA THE PRICING WAS SO YOU COULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY THE BIG BOYS (WHO ARE MAINLY COMMITTED TO RANKING TOURNIES AND THE LIKE) THE MINNOWS AS ADAM PUT IT WANT TO PLAY THESE GUYS. WHATEVER TOURNY IS PLAYED IT WONT SUIT EVERYONE. (JUST AS ONLINE SITES ARE PREFERRED BY SOME AND LOATHED BY OTHERS). CAN'T SEE WHERE WE COULD GO WRONG WITH A FREEROLL. IF AND I SAY IF I COULD GET THE ABOVE ADDED THAT FREEROLL MAY TURN INTO £30000 + WHICH BTW WILL BE PLAYED OVER A WEEKEND. SURELY THATS GOOD VALUE!

IT ALSO IS NOT A SATELLITE THEREORE YOU COULD SELL YOUR SEAT.

Please don't ^SHOUT

Ta!  ;D :)up :tikay:

soory caps lock on >:?

dik9 it was/is a great idea.

Don't you just love the "negotiations"

Don't shout, it's too early  :-*

Who started this anyway  ;D

Anyone remember the TV programme Ever Decreasing circles?

Harmless family viewing on a Monday night if I remember.

Ahh Penelope Wilton fragrant  ;D

This is more like bashing your head on a brick wall! than a decreasing circle.

I quite liked Wendy Craig in Butterflies too. Mind you, I was only about 12 at the time.

Oh dear, magic moments

you reaching for the tissues robert?

LOL.  :tikay:

and were we to get onto Diane Keen in "Rings on their fingers", well, I just would have to lie down in a darkened room

...and in ShillingburyTales... OMG..... where are they bood???

You see, in my wilder moments, I would think about Kate O'Mara from Howards Way and Triangle


Still do actually, mind you she'd have eaten me alive. Hopefully.

MY THREADS BEEN HIJACKED BY MODS :tikay:

wonder why?


and you are still shouting!!!!  :tikay:

that was deliberate that time  0:-)

Stop it ...please Tight. I can't take any more  :o

I think they're trying to save you bashing your head against a brick wall  ;)

One thing to learn about a forum - YOU WILL NEVER PLEASE EVERYONE... at some point you just have to make a decision.

If you put on a tourny for Blondeites I'd love to be there - if I can't afford it, so be it & I'll still appreciate you putting in the effort for Blonde Poker. So in short - you've seen the feedback - decide what you're doing and go with it - there can be other tourneys for the people it doesn't suit in the future.

PS - If it can be held somewhere else so the casino employees can play - all the better.

When I was just starting out in poker I used to play at the Grosvenor Reading in £5 tournaments.

They ran a poker league for about a month where the winner won a weekend in Paris and entry for a £500 comp at the Aviation. The next 4 in the league won the trip + entry for a £50 comp on the Sunday night. I tried my bollocks off but fell just short and came 3rd. Right then I decided I was going to play the £500 anyway despite the fact I had never played higher than £100 and I really couldn't afford it. I had a month to win the entry money!

I played my best ever poker that month with the goal of playing the big tournament and eventually won enough to play. I was hopelessly outclassed in the Paris event, but the experience did me no end of good as a poker player.

Setting yourself goals and playing outside your comfort level are all part and parcel of your evolution as a poker player IMO.

I just do not accept that someone who can afford a £30 tournament can't save up or win enough to play a £100 event. If it is alot of money to you, the sense of achievement of actually playing will be great.

I think the event should either be a £0 event with a huge cup to the winner and endless bragging rights (and if dik9 can persuade his boss to throw in a few extra prizes all the better!) so noone is excluded or a £100 event where there is a real sense of achhieving something significant if you win it.

A £30 tournament falls between both stools I think.

I would make a decision and a date, but Mr DC was in the Broadway last night with the Big Wigs, and I don't know what was discussed!

the matter is in hand dik


 ;D

These are my sentiments as well. But as I said I am not playing.

Anybody gonna tell the monkey what the organ grinder says?

I don't know.

but the thread, for all its merits from all points of views, is going around in circles!

dik9... suggestion

You've been good enough to set the ball rolling on here, you have heard lots of varying suggestions and points of view, why not go and think about it, discuss with your bosses whether they are happy to add anything, trophy seats whatever and get back to us.

Exactly what i was gonna do after I saw "its all in hand"   :)up

who is the organ grinder and what is he supposed to be telling me?

Sorry all keeping shtum till I know wtf is going on

I think a £50 buyin with a couple of added festival seats would please the most.

I originally voted for a £100 freeze but I do selfishly live within walking distance of the Broadway :) on reflection if it was to be held in London (or Glasgow) etc then I would be more aimed towards a £50 which is just enough IMO to make it interesting and still a laugh. Still looking for double chance tho :)

Wow ...my head is totally frazzled. Was it ESP , subconcious coincidences or just a  :blonde:
Big Greek Tony had invited me to the Broadway to meet Marty Shine quite seperately to this thread. I met him and viewed the place last night for the first time. Great place great bloke. I also met Denis the Director but RICH were you there? I guess you were busy running the competition ? I wish we had said hello, I was hanging around the cash games for 20 mins or so.
Anyway we would love to go ahead and book the Broadway. I am just awaiting confirmation that we all like the first Saturday in January ?
Personally I prefer a smaller £25 or £30 double chance freezout affair. Its not really about the money.

I was there, but I think I must have been in the office discussing the thread with my GM when you came in the cardroom.
He seemed to think it was a good idea, have had no feedback as yet from Denis or Martin. Hope you enjoyed yourself there?
Spotted you in the retaurant, didn't want to disturb you.

any chance we can make it the second saturday in january (the 14th)? The Pokerstars WPT caribbean adventure runs from the 4th-11th January and plan A is to visit the Bahamas again (and i know of a few blondites who are trying to win seats for this).

it also gives those who celebrate christmas an extra week to save up!! ;)

Ladbrokes Poker Cruise is 14-23 though.

The FACT is you are never going to please all of the people all of the time. This is especially true in this case as the range of blonde members varies from new players with small bankrolls and only played on the internet to highrollers and pro players. Make the event too cheap and some people will choose NOT  to play, make it too expensive and some people WON'T be able to play. The real question is what is the purpose of such an event and for me that is to be decided by the co-owners of this site. Is it a social gathering to attract as many as possible blonde members who can meet eachother and have some fun or is it create a serious poker tournment.

I would normally vote for £100 f/o, or ask for it to be even higher taking into account costs, but I think this level eliminates a sizeable number of the forum members. Of course these people can save up, it's only a small sum each week but where is the consideration that for many it is dead money, unless they get lucky, when facing considerably more experienced players/poker pro's who hold a MAJOR advantage. I like the idea of a double f/o purely on the basis of the distance many would have to travel. Alternatively maybe a single rebuy option may be exceptable as you then have it affordable to most yet have the opportunity to stay in the game if unlucky enough to get your KK running into AA on the first few hands.

In the spirit of blonde I think the goal is to have a social gathering rather than a serious poker event. I personally would plan to break one of my golden rules and have quite a few drinks as I view this as a social event when I would normally never drink when playing a game. Some people also suggest pricing it accordingly for people to play their A-game but for different people that level varies considerably so you will never find a acceptable level. I'm sure many people, like me, would also intend to have a drink or two and have a laugh rather than staying dry and playing their A-game.

As I said at the beginning, is it an event that many can NOT play due to finances or an event some people will decide NOT to play due to lack of value???. I would personally prefer to have people decide NOT to play rather than pricing it so some people CAN NOT play. As a result I have voted for a lower level than I would normally want to play.

 :goodpost:

Please don't make this the same time as the ladbrokes poker cruise as I'm still trying to qualify.

No doubt we'll be seeing you at the blonde event then  ;D

Get the beers ready.

That's the spirit(s)

Hells Bells - what a nightmare!

This thread has been up about 2 days. It has 225 posts in it so far. A whole range of views. Some reluctance to compromise. Some mischievous "wind-up" posts. Whatever we decide, we are gonna upset a few, but that's no reason to shirk the ssue. I have chatted with Dave at length today about this. We are aware of your views. We are aware of the vote. But we both just feel very strongly that we need to keep the buy-in affordable for everybody. So, here's the decisions, thus far.

We will accept the kind offer by The Broadway for January 7th. A separate date wll be arranged at Cincins in Glasgow, ideally a month or so later. The following applies to The Broadway ONLY - the Cincins one we can debate later.

The idea is for a social gatheing combined with a Poker Tourney. A "serious" blonde Live Tourney can be held at a separate time & place, with a higher buy-in, suggestiions welcome. So those only interested in a higher buy-in comp, & with a lesser interst in just meeting other blondeites, can have their evening too.

The Tourney will be a £30 Double Chance Freezeout, plenty of starting chips, slow clock.

If The Broadway can add any value, we'd be very grateful. If they cannot, so be it.

We will approach all of blondepoker's commercial partners & ask them if they will add some value by way of additional Prize Money. It's quite possible we will get some meaningful added money.

blonde will add some money. blonde will NOT view the evening as a "for profit" commercial venture.

There will be a Trophy.

We will try & set up a "Poker Rate" at  local "budget" hotel.

We wil ask The Broadway if they will schedule a £100 or even £200 Freezeout for the Sunday.

An hour or so afer the Tourney starts, SNG's will start to be available for the Sunday tourney. (So Ariston, Iron & Flushy, if present, will have something to do after busting out traditionaly early). The SNG's will be £10 or £20.

We will also ask the Broadway if they can give us a Heads-Up table or two, so that one-off Heads-Up matches can take place later in the evening. So if the deep pockets wanna win or lose some serious money between themselves, they can. And if these guys wanna few £100 or £200 SNG's, fine, we'll set them up, if The Broadway can accommodate us with tables & chips. If anyone wnts to challenge Dave or Tony G (if he's there) to some serious, or not so serous, Heads-Up Action, I am sure they will accept the challenge. (I assume they'll both bust out of the main comp earlyish). Male v Female Heads-Up matches? No prob.

Will the "names" come along, to support this? We hope so. We will get all cuddly wuddly with The Camel - I hope he'll jion us. And John Shipley, Simon Trumper, Willie Tann, Paul Parker, The Burnley Boys, Thee from Thine, Thewy, Bob Coombes, Micky Wernick, Stuart Fox, etc, etc. I'll be very surprised indeed if we can't get at least some of those guys along. Dave Colclough will be there, & Tony G, if he is in the UK at the time. Rhowena & Jen, of course. Maybe the Poker 425 cameras - after all, it IS the Poker 425 blonde Forum. But if the big boys can't come, well, too bad, if push comes to shove, we can manage without them.. The folks we REALLY wanna see there are the regular blondeites. If we can round up half a roomfull of them, then it's job done, we have achieved our goal. I'd be pleasantly surprised if we can get 50 there. More would be quite wonderful. We want the patners of players who don't usually play to be able to sit down in the comp - so another reason to limit it to £30. For example, take, I dunno, Thewy's missus, Amanda, or Mrs Red-Dog. (Just hypothetical examples). They don't really play poker - but how nice would it be if for just £30, they can join in & not feel embarrassed? So we get to meet players partners, too.

There you go. Flame away, but that's pretty much the deal, subject to tinkering with details.

I will start a SEPARATE thread, in which those who wish to attend can let us know, just really "yes please - me & the missus" sorta thing.

Planning for the event will begin almost immediately.

:goodpost:

Good post, i will be there...if i can.




And whats that supposed to mean?

WOW ok I dont think it will be a problem getting fifty, think it will be a sell out myself!
Before you go to higher management, would it be possible to have a chat with me, about different possiblities and in depth proposals as to how you want me to organise it. I will do all I can possibly do to accomodate, but recently some unreasonable requests have been made by non poker playing management. Dont think some of them know what boundaries we have. (thats not a criticism, just lack of poker knowledge). I have got butterflies now, I am really looking forward to it. Bluewolf says when ten blondites get in the same room room you are a scream. Whats 100+ gonna be like??? ;D

he is saying i get unlucky sometimes and you and ariston are fish

why am i suddenly thinkin of bookin the first week in jan off?? lol

Hi all, Finally got my uni net up and running :)

id be up for this sort of event as im currently living about 5 mins away from Broadway :)

Ry

How about 20% of the first place prize in both the Brum and Cincci tournaments to be played for in a heads up match between the two winners on a mutually agreed upon date for the cash and the title of supreme championy. The travelling player having their expenses taken from the pot and re-inbursed. Might become a naional pride thing if locals win both events.

If someone wins them the Brum and the Cincci then it'll be a bit of a non-event but the chances of that are small.

dont think that would be legal in anyway lol, although theres always ways round that hehehhee

You cant please all the people all the time!!!

Of course you can never please a Dundonian any of the time!

I will be back in the dark continent for both tourneys and am absolutely gutted, would have loved to have been there!

Can I put up a Bubble Trophy for the tourney in CinCin's ?