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Title: Was this a weak pass? Post by: UpTheMariners on August 18, 2007, 12:54:24 AM Full Tilt Poker Game #3283137052: $25,000 Guarantee (24568353), Table 25 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:47:51 ET - 2007/08/17
Seat 1: TPickles (3,180) Seat 2: rolos13 (1,580) Seat 3: number1luckyone (1,250) Seat 4: cappla011 (3,120) Seat 5: Lawyerlady (8,380) Seat 6: tomek322 (2,400) Seat 7: Dr_Gammon (1,310) Seat 8: UpTheMariners (5,780) Seat 9: GMoney2001 (4,755) tomek322 posts the small blind of 40 Dr_Gammon posts the big blind of 80 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to UpTheMariners [Ad Jh] UpTheMariners calls 80 GMoney2001 has 15 seconds left to act GMoney2001 calls 80 TPickles folds rolos13 folds number1luckyone folds cappla011 folds Lawyerlady calls 80 tomek322 calls 40 Dr_Gammon checks *** FLOP *** [Jd 8h 4c] tomek322 checks Dr_Gammon checks UpTheMariners bets 240 GMoney2001 raises to 480 Lawyerlady folds tomek322 folds Dr_Gammon folds UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act UpTheMariners raises to 1,040 GMoney2001 raises to 4,675, and is all in UpTheMariners: set? UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act UpTheMariners: aj UpTheMariners has requested TIME tomek322: flush draw UpTheMariners: lol UpTheMariners folds Uncalled bet of 3,635 returned to GMoney2001 GMoney2001 mucks GMoney2001 wins the pot (2,480) *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2,480 | Rake 0 Board: [Jd 8h 4c] Seat 1: TPickles didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: rolos13 didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: number1luckyone didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: cappla011 didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Lawyerlady (button) folded on the Flop Seat 6: tomek322 (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 7: Dr_Gammon (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 8: UpTheMariners folded on the Flop Seat 9: GMoney2001 collected (2,480), mucked Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: temp0r on August 18, 2007, 01:08:09 AM he takes ages to call preflop then makes a donk raise on that flop? this is one of those ones where i'm too confused to do anything but fold then bang my head against the wall when a couple of hands later i realise the players a complete fish.
then again a complete fish may play AA this way. more to the point without a read i'm passing normally. Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: AlexMartin on August 18, 2007, 01:17:38 AM nice fold, ur beat.
Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: UpTheMariners on August 18, 2007, 01:18:04 AM i opr'd him and now i know he's a fish
Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: pswnio on August 18, 2007, 01:48:14 AM Have to let this go...
Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: NoflopsHomer on August 18, 2007, 01:52:17 AM People do this with Jx all the time though I've found.
It's opponent dependent. Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: MANTIS01 on August 18, 2007, 03:28:37 AM In a word....No!
You didn't bring it in for a raise and as such you will often find one pair is no good. When you limp pre-flop I think it is a good idea to raise your expectations above one pair if you face serious heat post-flop....and on this occasion there is a lot of heat. If you raise pre-flop it is a much more difficult decision to make....but again the action suggests one pair is struggling. A set of fours fits the action more aptly than K-J or worse imo. Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: AlexMartin on August 18, 2007, 12:35:06 PM Played perfectly imo, well done.
Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: Senior Flushsky on August 18, 2007, 01:44:07 PM Played perfectly imo, well done. I wouldnt say perfectly. He got out when he was behind but i'm not a fan of limping UTG with AJo. Either come in for a raise or put it in the muck. Personally i muck this OOP at this stage of a tourney. Its tough to know if TPTK is ahead but along with AA, its a hand that i never go broke with in an unraised pot. Its possible he has KJ but unless i had a read that he was a complete donk and KJ was possible here, i'd fold Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: boldie on August 18, 2007, 02:04:58 PM Played perfectly imo, well done. I wouldnt say perfectly. He got out when he was behind but i'm not a fan of limping UTG with AJo. Either come in for a raise or put it in the muck. Personally i muck this OOP at this stage of a tourney. Its tough to know if TPTK is ahead but along with AA, its a hand that i never go broke with in an unraised pot. Its possible he has KJ but unless i had a read that he was a complete donk and KJ was possible here, i'd fold I don't like the raise with AJ from early position so I ussually limp with it aswell. Raising with a hand like AJ/A10 is a sure fire way of losing a lot of chips as AJ doesn't "play well" (as they say) against AK/AQ Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: Senior Flushsky on August 18, 2007, 02:14:49 PM I don't like the raise with AJ from early position so I ussually limp with it aswell. Raising with a hand like AJ/A10 is a sure fire way of losing a lot of chips as AJ doesn't "play well" (as they say) against AK/AQ Hence the reason why i usually fold OOP. If i was to raise with this hand and the flop came A or J high and i found resistance with my flop bet, i'd know where i stand a lot quicker than if i had just limped with it. In the OP, i reckon i would have just called his raise on the flop and re-evaluate the turn Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: AlexMartin on August 18, 2007, 10:59:36 PM Played perfectly imo, well done. I wouldnt say perfectly. He got out when he was behind but i'm not a fan of limping UTG with AJo. Either come in for a raise or put it in the muck. Personally i muck this OOP at this stage of a tourney. Its tough to know if TPTK is ahead but along with AA, its a hand that i never go broke with in an unraised pot. Its possible he has KJ but unless i had a read that he was a complete donk and KJ was possible here, i'd fold I don't like the raise with AJ from early position so I ussually limp with it aswell. Raising with a hand like AJ/A10 is a sure fire way of losing a lot of chips as AJ doesn't "play well" (as they say) against AK/AQ MUCH rather raise with it than limp with it. And i dont mind the raise, as long as you are solid postflop your initiative makes up for the weakness of the hand. Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: tantrum on August 19, 2007, 10:05:25 AM Whether you rise or limp from any position depends on table dynamics, and your holding is irrelevant.
I would think it is better to raise from E.P then limp, as it helps to define your hand better and limit the number of players you have in a pot with you. Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: AlexMartin on August 19, 2007, 10:29:17 AM Whether you rise or limp from any position depends on table dynamics, and your holding is irrelevant. I would think it is better to raise from E.P then limp, as it helps to define your hand better and limit the number of players you have in a pot with you. I disagree. Limping is just plain rubbish always. Title: Re: Was this a weak pass? Post by: NoflopsHomer on August 19, 2007, 02:38:35 PM Pass preflop.
1) Someone raises, what do you do? 2) What sort of flop are you comfortable with here post-flop, OOP in a multiway pot? |