Title: Not a made hand! Post by: action man on August 26, 2007, 03:29:34 AM 22 left in the $162 nightly on stars already in money, i got 19k at 800/1600, and raise the button to 4200 with KQd bb calls, flop comes Td Jd 2c
ive flopped a monster draw but in reality its only King high so when the guy leads into me (the pf raiser for 5k) and i got 15k left i decide to fold knowing that he will call me and that my edge is so big i can sit out for 3 rounds and use my chatbox skills to tilt off the rest of the table so much that they all chuck their laptops out of the window and effectively disconnect. Happy days i can just steal thier blinds and laugh at their tilt management skills. My question is does anyone push in this spot even with my edge? Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: Wardonkey on August 26, 2007, 05:04:15 AM With 10 BBs the oppo would have to be in a coma.
Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: JungleCat03 on August 26, 2007, 05:35:54 AM 22 left in the $162 nightly on stars already in money, i got 19k at 800/1600, and raise the button to 4200 with KQd bb calls, flop comes Td Jd 2c ive flopped a monster draw but in reality its only King high so when the guy leads into me (the pf raiser for 5k) and i got 15k left i decide to fold knowing that he will call me and that my edge is so big i can sit out for 3 rounds and use my chatbox skills to tilt off the rest of the table so much that they all chuck their laptops out of the window and effectively disconnect. Happy days i can just steal thier blinds and laugh at their tilt management skills. My question is does anyone push in this spot even with my edge? Well you are passing up a fair bit of equity here but obviously if you can successfully get most of your opponents to throw their laptops out of the window by employing your renowned tilt-donk strategy then you can indeed find a "better spot" by raping their blinds continuously or by actually flopping a straight flush(preferably a royal) next time. However the problem seems to be this... Let's say you are 87% successful in tilting your opponents within one round. 8/9 will be tilting(assuming a 9 handed table). I would say that probably only 75% (or 6 of the tilting 8) will respond to the tilt by launching their laptops at the window. As 63% of poker players spend much of their time sitting on their butt eating take aways, drinking carlsberg and smoking 50 fags a day, your average opponent will not be blessed with superbly honed and coordinated motor skills. As a result I expect 63% (OR roughly 4 of the 6) to miss the window.... These 4 should then be able to pick their laptops up out of the pile of foil takeaway cartons, ashtrays and beer cans, clean the remains of chicken korma and fag ash off their machines and be back at the table defending their blinds within one round. So in actual fact you will only average 2 (6-4=2) perma disconnects per tournament in this position. This is probably not enough to offset the chips you are giving up, so i think despite your edge you should bite the bullet, throw up (possibly a lamb jalfrezi) and call with your weak-ass 21 card draw, getting 4-1. Hope this helps Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: action man on August 26, 2007, 05:51:08 AM different gravy mate
Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: boldie on August 26, 2007, 09:38:26 AM 22 left in the $162 nightly on stars already in money, i got 19k at 800/1600, and raise the button to 4200 with KQd bb calls, flop comes Td Jd 2c ive flopped a monster draw but in reality its only King high so when the guy leads into me (the pf raiser for 5k) and i got 15k left i decide to fold knowing that he will call me and that my edge is so big i can sit out for 3 rounds and use my chatbox skills to tilt off the rest of the table so much that they all chuck their laptops out of the window and effectively disconnect. Happy days i can just steal thier blinds and laugh at their tilt management skills. My question is does anyone push in this spot even with my edge? Well you are passing up a fair bit of equity here but obviously if you can successfully get most of your opponents to throw their laptops out of the window by employing your renowned tilt-donk strategy then you can indeed find a "better spot" by raping their blinds continuously or by actually flopping a straight flush(preferably a royal) next time. However the problem seems to be this... Let's say you are 87% successful in tilting your opponents within one round. 8/9 will be tilting(assuming a 9 handed table). I would say that probably only 75% (or 6 of the tilting 8) will respond to the tilt by launching their laptops at the window. As 63% of poker players spend much of their time sitting on their butt eating take aways, drinking carlsberg and smoking 50 fags a day, your average opponent will not be blessed with superbly honed and coordinated motor skills. As a result I expect 63% (OR roughly 4 of the 6) to miss the window.... These 4 should then be able to pick their laptops up out of the pile of foil takeaway cartons, ashtrays and beer cans, clean the remains of chicken korma and fag ash off their machines and be back at the table defending their blinds within one round. So in actual fact you will only average 2 (6-4=2) perma disconnects per tournament in this position. This is probably not enough to offset the chips you are giving up, so i think despite your edge you should bite the bullet, throw up (possibly a lamb jalfrezi) and call with your weak-ass 21 card draw, getting 4-1. Hope this helps different class post and exactly what I'm thinking. folding in this spot is simply disgraceful no matter how big an edge you "think" you have...especially "chatbox" skills when everyone can click the "no chat for this twat" button. Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: doubleup on August 26, 2007, 10:26:32 AM You do realise that every one of Stars programmers has been called in to work on Sunday morning to explain why an action flop didn't produce the required action? Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: Longy on August 26, 2007, 10:32:18 AM The reason you have a skill edge is by making correct decision in situations like this, right. You have to shove this you have the right amount of equity if you are called by a set, you seem to have a Phil Hellmuth complex here.
Or i have just been levelled. Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: AlexMartin on August 26, 2007, 11:21:13 AM 22 left in the $162 nightly on stars already in money, i got 19k at 800/1600, and raise the button to 4200 with KQd bb calls, flop comes Td Jd 2c ive flopped a monster draw but in reality its only King high so when the guy leads into me (the pf raiser for 5k) and i got 15k left i decide to fold knowing that he will call me and that my edge is so big i can sit out for 3 rounds and use my chatbox skills to tilt off the rest of the table so much that they all chuck their laptops out of the window and effectively disconnect. Happy days i can just steal thier blinds and laugh at their tilt management skills. My question is does anyone push in this spot even with my edge? I think you are that great that passing is the best play here. I know i would. Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: booder on August 26, 2007, 11:39:26 AM hippy instapush
Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: tantrum on August 26, 2007, 11:58:03 AM I would push here- and i am tight weak player
Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: AdamG on August 26, 2007, 03:05:21 PM ship ship !!! hope for the best...
Title: Re: Not a made hand! Post by: Horneris on August 26, 2007, 05:24:15 PM Even with your edge, im still just about pushing here.
Against a hand like AJ, your as much as 66%, and i dont see how you can possibly miss. Interesting post tho. Hellmuth ESQ. |