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On Saturday Arsenal were awarded a penalty after about seventy minutes against Man.City.

The linesman took his position on the line watching the goalkeeper's position while the ref. concentrated on the spot.

Van Persie shot, Smichael saved, but the linesman had seen that the keeper had advanced a yard or so from his line and signaled this by waving his flag and then placing it across his chest meaning that the kick should be retaken of course.

The referee for some reason which I have yet to fathom chose to ignore the linesman who's specific job was to observe the keeper's position ???

The worst bit was that Van Persie was my fantasy team's captain  ;reallyamsorry;

also how was the spurs penalty not given!!!

I can understand if it happend on the edge of the box and the ball was going nowhere and he says ball to hand  but when its in the 6 yard box, its an open goal and the balls clearly going in and brown dives down to stop it how can he not give it?

crooks the lot of 'em

The ref at our game on Saturday was awful. He was not even going to give the penalty until the linesman flagged although he was closer to thr play than the linesman. Also it was very strange that the linesman flagged about the keeper moving but the ref did nothing. Saying that though Every keeper moves forward off the line on every penalty but nothing is done and normally nothing is said. The fact is the penalty wasnt good enough.

Bolt, maybe Im biased but I watched the Man utd game yesterday and Im not sure if it was a penalty or not. from one angle it looks like it hits his chest/ side and the other angle it looks like it hits his arm. I have seen it several times and Im still not sure. The ref sees it once and if he is not sure he cant give it. It is also very very funny not to give spurs a penalty, and Mendes shot never crossed the line a couple of years ago either.

I wonder when the last penalty against manU was given at old trafford...just a thought as I can't remember it.

2 words... OLD. TRAFFORD.

hmm last penalty I can find given against ManU at Old Trafford was last season when they played Bolton...mind you United were 4-0 up at the time lol

Rob styles would have given it...

Two stone wall penalties at OT not given.

Snap :(

The ref was clearly a numpty in the Arsenal match but in the Man U/Spurs game, you often get decisions that can go either way in these bottom of the league clashes - one team always leaves feeling that they've been hard done by :)

If you want better refs, stop giving them so much stick.

More people will want to be refs if it's a better gig. Larger base of the pyramid, higher the peak yadda yadda, so the best refs will get better innit.

Keep nailing their arse to the wall and you'll just need more nails, and more walls. (or something)

I'd hate to be a ref, I can't see the appeal.  Some get death threats, things thrown at them during and after matches, no thanks from people when it goes well but so much abuse if things don't go so well.  It's not like they get paid a fortune to do it either.

Uriah Rennie does it because he thinks thousands of people have turned up just to watch his good self.

"Welcome to the second half of the Uriah Rennie Show"   Preston North End tannoy announcer at game versus Crystal Palace

If brown had stuck his arm out I'd have agreed with you, but as his arm was by his side as he jumped to get his chest to the ball I'd say that it was ball to hand.

Does it say in the rules that it has to be hand to ball?

It was probably ball to hand but when he's the last man and its virtually in the 6 yard box heading for goal surley he has to give it?

the fact is he's arm has stopped a goal.

That's what I meant.  He deliberately put himself in-between the ball and the goal to block it - and it was his arm that did the blocking.

The linesman was VERY sure of himself that it wasn't a penalty. 

The Law of the game is a direct free kick(or penalty) if a player handles the ball deliberately.

As Brown hadn't extended his arm, I'd say that proving he deliberately handled the ball was a toughy to prove. He deliberately attempted to block the shot, that's his job. If he went in like a keeper with his arms outstretched, then yes a penaly, but he's not supposed to only challenge with his arms behind his back to avoid being hit on the arm.

What do we have here? The referee makes a mistake!! Shock horror.

Was it the ref who gave away a penalty? Was it the ref who missed a penalty? Have you seen a ref unable to make a simple 10 yard pass or score an own goal??

Ref's make mistakes but not as many as players.Im just about fed up with Managers blaming ref's for their teams defeat,when the real reason is a lot closer to home.

Graham Poll was on Talksport about 18 months ago,and he said he had done a Juventus champions league game after Patrick Vierra had gone there.Poll said that Vierra knocked on his hotel room door to say that it wasn't until he left English football that he realised how good the ref's here were.

Football might have a lot of problems but most of them are bigger than the standard of refereeing.

I heard that as well.

As a referee myself, its something you do because you like football, you want to be involved, and you realise that without the referee games dont go ahead. You get one chance one angle to see everything, and depending on where your standing you can only give it as you see it.

From seeing pictures of Liv v Chelsea I can see why styles gave it, as much as I hated it.

Referee gets it wrong, but he will get it right thousands of times more than he gets it wrong, it's just highlighted so much with TV.. How many bad decisions happen in lower leagues week in week out, you dont see all of them in the papers or tv or SS News all the time..