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  Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/09/04 - 08:28:02 (ET)

Seat 1: Sven Wilke ($283.65 in chips)
Seat 2: peteracca ($168.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($272.10 in chips)
Seat 4: rroocckkyy ($74.85 in chips)
Seat 5: KILBYNITE ($131.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Soterdelf ($388 in chips)
Seat 7: Cubeke ($91.80 in chips)
Seat 8: oscar ($400 in chips)
Seat 9: Chosen25 ($418.75 in chips)

Hero: posts small blind $2
rroocckkyy: posts big blind $4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qs Qh]
KILBYNITE: folds
Soterdelf: folds
Cubeke: folds
oscar: folds
Chosen25: raises $12 to $16
Sven Wilke: calls $16
peteracca: folds
Hero raises $36 to $52
rroocckkyy: folds
Chosen25: calls $36
Sven Wilke: folds

*** FLOP *** [6c 7s Js]
Hero bets $76
Chosen25: raises $310.75 to $366.75 and is all-in

Hero does what?


Chosen25, random player to me pre-this session. In two hours play across two tables I've hardly made a note...not once out of line, seems a plain vanilla tight-ish grinder.

I struggle less than I did with deep stacked over-pairs on undercard flops but i still find this sort of thing tough with little to go on. I suspect I am folding a lot of winners in these spots

Do you call or fold in these spots?

I'm smelling KK or JJ here.

If he's the grinder you think he is, he made a proper raise and rightly called a re-raise. I note he didn't push pre-flop so I'm not thinking AA but a grinder would call the re-raise and if no A, scare over card or flop with horrible texture appears, stick it in. That's what he did.

Tough one but I fold..but then I play scared!

Hands like this are the reason I hate cash games, but can also be the reason I love them.  I've been thinking about this for a while and I really don't know what I'd do.  You've invested a fair chunk into the pot already but lumping it all in on a pair doesn't feel right to me.  If it was a tourney, I'd happily call every time, but when it's hard cash, I think I'd have to fold.

I think he's on trips.  I'd have thought Aces or Kings would have reraised preflop so I'd rule them out, AJ is possible, but it's a lot to call preflop, especially if he's playing tightly, pocket pairs are a possibility and explain the massive raise on the flop but I think he's hit trip jacks and he doesn't want you to hit a flush. 

Perhaps he's got AK and can't let go?  Could be ahead, could be behind, but I don't think I'm capable of paying $150ish to find out.

In this type of spot villians range must surely be heavily weighted to stuff that's beating you, so you have 2 outs, or a biggish draw (flush + 1 or 2 overs?) which you might only have like 60% equity against.

One thing tho, you have like $150 left and there's like "Edit: $420" (Wrong - $270 (?)) in the pot so you're getting a nice price.

p.s. I'm not good in these spots, or good in general for that matter.

Easy fold really,

The reason you've got a descision and maybe you called i dont know, is because you've got 40%+ of your stack in the middle, still a fold

reraise pre oop with qq, thought you were tight? ::)

standard vs MP raise and cold call yes? get through the original raiser and pick up the $32 plus blinds

yes

But hate this hand oop and the sicko in me is secrety hoping for him to reshove kk-aa so i can fold and get back to floping nut rainbow straights with 56 ect vs AA as oppossed to being faced with tricky flop situations like this, especailly if you're playing 4+ tables.

 

accepted, but you have to lead out on the flop?


are you flat calling pre?

meh, i go broke here this shallow. You force JJ to make a preflop error and should only be really worried about aa/kk being slightly tricky. Im assuming you are up against a combo draw enough of the time to go broke here most of the time unless opp is a nit. AKspades deffo possibility which, incidentally,has been played well.

I think how you played it was fine as long as you fold to the reshove

I dont really monitor my own stats(hands and situations that are most profitable for me, ect) but i think qq oop wouldnt be showing as great.

raise more pre. easiest call ever with your short stack and a potential flush draw

I agree. You only had 68BB to start with, which makes all decisions eaiser. You've raised enough pre to only offer lower pairs around half the odds they need. (He's getting 9/2.)

If he slow-played AA/KK so be it.  Although I would expect to be behind here more often than not, you're short enough to make it an easy call. The current pot is $420 and it's $144 to call giving you 3/1 on your money.

and I called thinking I was behind, given my semi-shallow stack and praying for the spade draw. In fact he did not have spades, or a set....

Hero: calls $144.10 and is all-in

*** TURN *** [6c 7s Js] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [6c 7s Js Jh] [7h]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Chosen25: mucks hand

Hero won $561.20 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $564.20 | Rake $3
Board [6c 7s Js Jh 7h]

Seat 3: Hero (small blind) showed [Qs Qh] and won ($561.20) with two pair, Queens and Jacks

Seat 9: Chosen25 mucked [Ac Kc]

Nice one, good call

( I said AK too :D )

 ;marks;

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I dont like how small your re-raise preflop is, would you make this same size raise if you had a full buy or, over a full buy in?

It gives away your hand, unless you have made a similar play with a suited connector at some point and ended up showing it down. If you make this same raise with a full buy some1 else with a full buy in can happily call knowing they have the odds to outflop and bust you.

Given the stack sizes, once you get to the flop in the given scenario it would be criminal to fold

not because the later people have said it or the result but folding here with these stacks seems like a bizarre idea, when you raise the flop surely you must do it knowing the rest is going in should it come to it.

One of the best changes i ever made to my game was always raising the original raise by 4 times or close to it with my premium hands pre flop. Anyone calling is usually making a bad mistake and it makes my hand much easier to play on the flop.

I thought AK spades myself


u got him on ur buddies list

lol