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That in online poker any action pre flop determines the flop and action on the flop in turn changes the turn and so on i.e if i check the flop the r n g would produce say  9h but if i bet the flop it would produce say  8d?

thanks

vince

ROFL  OMG are you Serious?

Am serious!!! also if you fold pre flop, say 93 and the flop comes 993 if you would have called the flop wouldnt have been 993.

yes its true, and its often an angst of mine.

Another thing that annoys me is that online they dont use a burn card, and sometimes when I have a big draw and miss, I cant help but wonder if it woulda got there if the e-dealer burned a card on the turn and the river as well. It clearly changes the outcome of the hand, and sometimes I sit feeling hard done by when I miss my outs deep in a tourney or lose a big pot in cash, thinking to myself "if only they had a burn card, I might well have won that pot"

The sooner they make online poker the same as live poker the better to remove all these simmering doubts!

Never fold 93,its a monster!!

yeah just ask the monkey!  ;D

My understanding of it is that it's not necessariily to do with the action you take, but more the timing of your action.  All the remaining cards will continue to be randomly shuffled until the point they are dealt.  I might be wrong though.

Sounds like someone's missed one too many draws...

Only if its soooooted!! ;D

I was under the impression that the cards are continually shuffled until a move is made too.    Always makes me wonder if I hadn't have instacalled with those aces they'd have held up :D

I don't really think about it though, they come as they come, not much I can do about it.

93 sooted :D classic move

My understanding too!

This is my biggest gripe with online poker.

The cards are "constantly" shuffled - ie there are lots of factors that determine what the next card will be.

IMO The cards should be shuffled pre deal and a burn card dealt (as in live poker) - The only problem with this is security, it would need to be very well protected, which is why i assume they use the system they do

this is correct......

I'd prefer that they weren't. If cards are pre-determined at the start of the hand, then it is theoretically possible to work out what future cards/other player's cards are.

Way back at the start of internet poker, someone cracked Planet Poker's shuffling algorithm. Once the flop was dealt, knowing the flop and his own cards allowed him to know what the other player's cards were and what the turn and river would be.

Security was then stepped up, and a longer random number was used (long enough that it couldn't be cracked in real time). Using player actions (which are not predetermined) to help make the shuffle adds in a truer element of randomness, as opposed to computer generated randomness (which is only really pseudo-random).

Why do you consider that this is a problem?

Surely, as long as noone knows the card sequence, and it is random, it doesn't matter how it is arrived at.

Exactly, why worry about what you can't change...

Yes it is a problem, psycologically you KNOW that the length of time taken can alter the next card out. So if you call quickly you get one card, and if you take a bit of time you get a different card, if you take even longer then it is a different card altogeather.

So you are always left wondering "what if i took longer/shorter"

If you were sitting at a live game and the river card was ready to be exposed, but because your opponent took so long in calling, a different river card was exposed - giving him his 2 outer say

How would you feel then?

 :goodpost:

But because you cant control how long your opponents take to make the decision you are never the sole factor in which card is revealed. Therefore all the "what if" is irrelevant - just play it as you see it.

They might miss their two-outer that they would have hit if you'd acted 0.43 seconds quicker.  So it works both ways. 

Oh I know.

Its just I would prefer it if it was a pre determined deck - although I know why it isnt

This is also the main gripe I have with online poker.  I tried doing this in a home game once and everyone got pissed off that I was continuously shuffling the deck between as they took there time to act - they said it was cheating - lol!  It worked for me i flopped quads once doing it.

Aslong as you know that is the rule then its fine. Its not like its hidden. And atl east its safe from messing with

As you have no control anyway, shuffling them constantly is the same to you as if they were shuffled once. Tbh I wouldn't even care if they did it live as long as I could trust the shuffler ;).