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During a game tonight, we had a dealing error and I would like to ask how it should have been handled..

2 players in the hand after a raise, pre flop....

Flop comes, one bets, one calls...
Turn comes, one bets, one raises all-in....
But...
Before the 2nd player calls or folds against the all-in bet, the dealer has dealt the river card.. 
After the river card comes 2nd player calls the all-in...

I am sure there must be an answer to how it is handled regardless of what 2 cards the 2 players had..???

the river card is put back into the pack and shuffled

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes the river card should be put back into the deck, the deck shuffled and the player should announce his intentions before the final card is dealt.

Wouldn't happen online :)

crack the dealer round the head with your chair before saying: "you fucking donkey, where did you learn to deal? you deal another hand like that in this gaff and i'll cut your fingers off and feed em to the dog" then you all take turns booting him in the head.

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It wasn't my bro who dealt it was it?

When I was in Bellagio the dealer dealt the turn card too early and they just left it out rather than reshuffle. That was a cash game though (not that I think it should be any different). Duke's game is a STT.

The way you should (and probably did) resolve it would go something like this:  Have another :cheers:

Go on, other than having more beer, what did you do, who was involved and what cards did they have ?

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Harsh, but fair.

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

Contraversial, but fair.

Again, why should anyone follow? It should all be universal, why does Grosvenor think they can change a rule and everyone have to follow? Bite the bullet and Take LCI's example now guideline 3 is out of the way, and use TDA rules, forget the "we are the biggest chain in the UK" mentality and your rules committee, it is already done now. It is a perfect time for any casino in the UK to conform to TDA rules??

Having 21 cardrooms doesn't make you the most reputable either ;)

My independent view, i.e. no company line to toe. If 21 lemmings jump over a cliff, should the others follow the bigger group. If the rule is infair change it.

No your brother wan't dealing..... 1st player KJ / 2nd Player JJ -- flop J46 -- turn K -- (allin in by KJ after turn) mis dealt river 7 then JJ calls. Can't see that player 2 wouldnt call anyway but rules is rules and as a group we were not sure. Now we know -- thanks Iron........

I don't think that following a procedure that is inspired by laziness i.e. I can't be bothered to shuffle a pack, makes you reputable.

The river should be shuffled back in.

Altho The TDA rules do not say that. But then again they likewise don't say use the 3rd card from the bottom either.

Using the 3rd card from the bottom is one of the most unfair rules Grosvenor use. Especially if someone is all in and sees his miracle card, come and then go because someone hasn't called, due to a dealing error. It causes an argument the majority of times it is used. People did try unsuccessfully to get it changed with the Grosvenor Rules Commitee. Unfortunately it is still around and the old mentality of "we are the market leaders everyone should follow us", rather than seeing the rule is unfair and changing it. Yes it means a little more work for the dealer but if it leads to a fairer game then what is the problem?

Yogi

but as it was the dealers mistake in the first place it is only right that they atone by doing the extra - then maybe they will think again before making the same mistake :)

but for gods sake don't start a poll on it or you'll become a laughing stock

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Surely any business should be looking to improve all the time even if they are the 'best'? And listen to its customers? No business/shop/casino/restaurant in the world is 100% perfectly run...

sounds like a 'were the best, we dont care' attitude to its customers!

To be fair on Phatomch, ALL CASINO CARDROOMS have the same mentality unfortunately. :(

OK I have come to a decision and having weighed up all the arguments and dispassionately assembled them in my brain. As it is MY house I have made MY ruling which is in complete agreement with Bolt. I feel this will provide the correct motivation for any other person misfortunate to be dealt the dealer card............

I'm glad I don't deal at your place!

nice to see an alternative viewpoint         all cardrooms have their foibles, some worse than others tho...........

this happend to me a couple of years ago in blackpool.
the card wasn't put back in the deck it was just left out and the third from the bottom was dealt.
it was also a 6 and i was all in with 66. sick.
a\s for the Grosvenor i must admit and stick up for the fat bloke ,they are getting over the teething problems
and t\aking things forward.

i didnt knock grosvenor there cardrooms there staff or there tour all are very good

however on this rule they are 100% right in there cardroom rules but 100% wrong in the eyes of fairness too all players

alternate river,  Kc

Player 1 Cries
Player 2 says "thats poker"

i am not saying follow us because we are the best, I am saying that having 21 cardrooms already using the same rules is a very good start, ok LCI use the tda rules but they are only 4/5 cardrooms, stanleys use what ever they think will help the person they like the most at the the time and I am not sure about Gala.

So my point is that we have 21 established cardrooms using the same rules, we run more turnies/fessies than all the other's and we have the tour trying to join all the c/r's together. later this year we have the Linked National game coming up that will blow everyone away.

so why not use our rules as a starting point in gatting everyone using the same in England.

But you're not suggesting using them as a starting point, you're suggesting using them as an ending point - everyone else using your rules.

cant unify the rules if there is such a blantant unfair rulle in the rules your trying to unify

first get the rules fair to all then unify behind them

In my opinion the third from bottom rule should be obsolete in any decent cardroom. If the river card is dealt prematurely then the river should be reshuffled into the deck which is then re-cut and then a new river card dealt without burning a card. If the turn card is dealt prematurely then the river card is dealt in place of the turn card which is taken out of play momentarily. Then should a river card be required the previously exposed turn card is reshuffled into the deck which is then re-cut and a new river is dealt without burning a card. The exposed turn card scenario happens more often than on the river.

wtf? If its unfair change it.