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Title: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: The_duke on September 24, 2007, 10:59:38 AM
Radio 2 is marking its 40th birthday by asking listeners to nominate and vote for the person who best represents the last four decades.

The shortlist has now been announced. Do you think this is a definitive list (FFS Lara Croft is fictional) or who do you think is missing....... Mother Teresa, Tikay etc etc

Muhammad Ali
The Beatles
David Bowie
Kate Bush
David Cassidy
Lara Croft
Diana, Princess of Wales
Michael Jackson
John Lennon
Nelson Mandela
Sir Paul McCartney
Morrissey
Donny Osmond
Elvis Presley
Sir Cliff Richard
Sir Terry Wogan 


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Claw75 on September 24, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
My first thought was David Bowie - someone who has changed with the times and been representative of each era - but I see he's already on there.  Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: lazaroonie on September 24, 2007, 11:07:45 AM
aye, Diana princess of wales, that will be the winner.

 :dontask:


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Jon MW on September 24, 2007, 11:08:55 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Claw75 on September 24, 2007, 11:09:40 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.

but representative of 1990s/2000s?


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 24, 2007, 11:17:51 AM

Rick Astley?


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Jon MW on September 24, 2007, 11:19:49 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.

but representative of 1990s/2000s?

He's had top 20 records in the '90's and 2000s


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Claw75 on September 24, 2007, 11:21:19 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.

but representative of 1990s/2000s?

He's had top 20 records in the '90's and 2000s

so has Sir Cliff


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Jon MW on September 24, 2007, 11:23:35 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.

but representative of 1990s/2000s?

He's had top 20 records in the '90's and 2000s

so has Sir Cliff

Shouldn't you be doing some work?


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: AndrewT on September 24, 2007, 11:23:52 AM
I'm not even sure what 'best represents the last 40 years' means.

If it's from a British perspective then surely the answer is The Queen - I think 'd probably edge her ahead of David Cassidy.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: AndrewT on September 24, 2007, 11:24:21 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.

but representative of 1990s/2000s?

He's had top 20 records in the '90's and 2000s

so has Sir Cliff

Shouldn't you be doing some work?

She's a civil servant - they work on Thursday mornings.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Claw75 on September 24, 2007, 11:25:17 AM
... Don't quite see the rationale in having people that have been dead for 20+ years on the list, or people that weren't even born 40 years ago.

I mainly agree with that statement, although I'd have to make an exception for Elvis as he is quite clearly still part of current popular culture.

but representative of 1990s/2000s?

He's had top 20 records in the '90's and 2000s

so has Sir Cliff

Shouldn't you be doing some work?

I'm working from home today  ;whistle;


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: kinboshi on September 24, 2007, 11:27:12 AM
Muhammad Ali is probably one of the most recognisable faces of the last 40 years (to people of all ages throughout those 40 years) across the world.   Doesn't mean he best represents the past 40 years though - although he'll be up there I would imagine.

Is it someone who best represents the last 40 years for people in the UK, or all over the world?

No Cilla Black on the list?  ;D


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: The_duke on September 24, 2007, 11:32:25 AM
I don't think this was given a great amount of thought by the people who drew up the shortlist.

However -- Lara croft ???? ok then I vote for Homer Simpson



Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: kinboshi on September 24, 2007, 11:42:08 AM
I'd replace Lara with our Cilla.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: booder on September 24, 2007, 12:47:03 PM
Jimmy Tarbuck


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2007, 12:51:37 PM
David Hofflehass


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: kinboshi on September 24, 2007, 12:59:30 PM
David Hofflehass

;tightend; - nice cross-threading.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: K9sixtwo on September 24, 2007, 01:32:16 PM
The Queen is a good choice ... Constant throughout 40 years...Changing and adapting .....

But Lara Croft??? ffs was she around 20 , 30 or 40 years ago??
Worringly i attended a Kareoke (spelling!) and asked for "The Teardrop Explodes"... The tumble weed rolled in and the wind whistled and the bell tolled... I got my coat... One of the Seminal bands of the 80's unheard of by the Youth of the day and sadly the DJ.. ;tk;


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2007, 01:42:50 PM
Got to learn to accept your Reward son


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Pelham Boy on September 24, 2007, 01:59:59 PM
Paul Weller.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: MKKfish on September 24, 2007, 02:03:47 PM
Thatcher, Reagan and Gorbochov.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Colchester Kev on September 24, 2007, 02:04:33 PM
If it was LAST 400 years, tikay would be a shoe in !!!


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Jon MW on September 24, 2007, 02:05:19 PM
Thatcher, Reagan and Gorbochov.

The 80's maybe - but that's a long way short of 40 years


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: The_duke on September 24, 2007, 02:17:44 PM
Alternative top 10

Kinboshi     Services to chip donation
Tightend     Services to Subjective & Obscure humour
Tikay     Services to Informative & Humourous threads (Definitely  4 decades)
Kev    Services to Non Favouritism (He Annoys everybody)
Shogun112    Services to Being my chauffer to all live events
Dewi    Services to Alcoholic Consumption
Ironside    Services to Royal Society for the Protection of Serial Moaners
KingPoker    Services to absolute and utter luckboxing
Richeo    Services to Mathematical Calculus and still losing
MickyP    Services to Specsavers (He knows what I mean)

Division 2 to follow

 


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: MrMojoRisin on September 24, 2007, 02:27:42 PM
Bob Dylan


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: danafish on September 24, 2007, 02:57:41 PM
I think Michael Jackson nicely represents our slow descent into hellish degeneracy. Actually, so does Sir Cliff - I have no proof, but I am so sure he's up to something super-bad. No-one can be that squeaky clean in private too.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: The Sweeney on September 24, 2007, 03:11:27 PM
I think Michael Jackson nicely represents our slow descent into hellish degeneracy. Actually, so does Sir Cliff - I have no proof, but I am so sure he's up to something super-bad. No-one can be that squeaky clean in private too.

....yeah, he's probably composing another shite Christmas single as we speak!


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Zebediah on September 24, 2007, 03:19:19 PM
From there Mandela, he's been an activist, terrorist, poltical prisoner, celebrity, political leader, world figurehead.

That's one hell of a journey over 40years and has showed the changing of our world over that time.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: AndrewT on September 24, 2007, 03:22:19 PM
From there Mandela, he's been an activist, terrorist, poltical prisoner, celebrity, political leader, world figurehead.

That's one hell of a journey over 40years and has showed the changing of our world over that time.

Yeah, but he spent the first half of those 40 years dossing about in prison - Cliff Richard was on Top of the Pops loads during that time.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Zebediah on September 24, 2007, 03:24:09 PM
From there Mandela, he's been an activist, terrorist, poltical prisoner, celebrity, political leader, world figurehead.

That's one hell of a journey over 40years and has showed the changing of our world over that time.

Yeah, but he spent the first half of those 40 years dossing about in prison - Cliff Richard was on Top of the Pops loads during that time.

He was merely representing the boring crapness of those years


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: tikay on September 24, 2007, 04:10:19 PM

From the original list, I'd OMIT.......

Muhammad Ali

The Beatles

Kate Bush. Just a pop singer.

David Cassidy Ditto

Lara Croft, Unreal. Really.

Diana, Princess of Wales

Michael Jackson

John Lennon

Nelson Mandela

Sir Paul McCartney. Included with The Beatles.

Morrissey. You jest.

Donny Osmond. Just a Pop singer.

Elvis Presley

Sir Cliff Richard. Just a pop singer, did what he did purely for money.

Sir Terry Wogan  As above.

Now, who can I add. Hmmm......


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: RED-DOG on September 24, 2007, 04:13:15 PM
Sir David Attenborough


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: tikay on September 24, 2007, 04:40:53 PM
I ADD.

Gerry Adams. Good or bad, central to the last 40 years.

Margaret Thatcher. Ditto.

Tony Benn. An amazing man, a people's man.

Alan Clarke. An antidote to Tony Benn, & an incredible character.

Christopher Reeves. Did so much for disabled people after his accident.

Page & Brin, for giving us the greatest education tool ever ever ever - for totally free - google.

Crick & Watson, for their work on DNA.

Sir David Attenborough. His work on nature has truly enriched my life.

Bill Gates. Without him, life would be so different, for better or worse.

John Kirkland. England's greatest living businessman, & a real & true inspiration to me, and a special friend. Truly my hero.

Aunty Doris, for being my Mum.

Alexander Haig. Without him, there is no knowing what the American Administration might have gotten the Miilitary to do. Bad as it is, it woulda been far worse without Haig.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: bolt pp on September 24, 2007, 05:40:33 PM
keith cheguin
bruno brooks
frank bruno
john regis
paul daniels
chuck norris
lassie
chuckle brothers
trisha
jeremy bates


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: neeko on September 24, 2007, 06:39:26 PM
Madonna
Nelson Mandella
The Queen
Anita Roddick
Richard Branson (just for Tikay as he is a big wooly jumper fan)
Sir David Frost
Rupert Murdoch  (for better or worse)
Alex Ferguson (boo hiss)


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: K9sixtwo on September 24, 2007, 07:11:15 PM
Good list Tikay...
I think that you have to have Paisley with Adams though ..

what about Mikhael Gorbachev ?? Now theres another true great world changer..


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: suzanne on September 24, 2007, 07:39:50 PM
Tony Warren  ;D


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: bone1986 on September 24, 2007, 07:41:23 PM
Margaret Thatcher
The Queen
Jean-Marc Bosman
Keith Richards
Tim Berners-Lee
Nelson Mandella


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: jezza777 on September 24, 2007, 08:47:32 PM
keith cheguin
bruno brooks
frank bruno
john regis
paul daniels
chuck norris
lassie
chuckle brothers
trisha
Jeremy (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=197) Bates (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=197)

Thanks Bolt I'm touched.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: danafish on September 25, 2007, 12:34:41 AM
Seriously, am I the only person who thinks Cliff Richard is using aggressive squeaky-cleanness to hide some kind of inner darkness? There's something just incredibly not right about him, he sets my weirdo radar going like crazy...


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: suzanne on September 25, 2007, 01:46:17 AM
Seriously, am I the only person who thinks Cliff Richard is using aggressive squeaky-cleanness to hide some kind of inner darkness? There's something just incredibly not right about him, he sets my weirdo radar going like crazy...

Have to admit I think the same. He seems like a sweet loving guy but can a pop star/singer for all the years he has been on top really be so innocent. I cant believe he hasnt got one or two secret love children at the very least.

I have always thought he was gay tbh and the fling thing with the tennis player was a cover up but surely he would have come out by now if he was.

Very strange person but love his voice....... roll on Christmas for his next single  ;D


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: suzanne on September 25, 2007, 01:58:53 AM
Tony Warren  ;D

Where would we be without Coronation Street  ;tightend;



Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: boldie on September 25, 2007, 06:03:28 AM
For me it's a toss up between Beavis and Butthead (biggest cultural influence on the Western World of the 80's and early 90's)  and Homer Simpson.

To actually nominate the most important person of the last 40 years you would have to divide them into sub-categories. You can't say Mohamed Ali had the biggest impact on anything other than sports. Mandela on politics etc.
The most influential person of the last 40 years will not be someone famous; the guys who invented the internet had a bigger impact on the world than Mohamed Ali or Princes Diana (FFS that she even made the list)..

A typical lazy telly executives idea this list but I'm sure they'll drag it out over 8 or 9 weeks..bless the BBC for spending my license fee on stuff like this.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: kinboshi on September 25, 2007, 09:03:41 AM
For me it's a toss up between Beavis and Butthead (biggest cultural influence on the Western World of the 80's and early 90's)  and Homer Simpson.

To actually nominate the most important person of the last 40 years you would have to divide them into sub-categories. You can't say Mohamed Ali had the biggest impact on anything other than sports. Mandela on politics etc.
The most influential person of the last 40 years will not be someone famous; the guys who invented the internet had a bigger impact on the world than Mohamed Ali or Princes Diana (FFS that she even made the list)..

A typical lazy telly executives idea this list but I'm sure they'll drag it out over 8 or 9 weeks..bless the BBC for spending my license fee on stuff like this.

I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well. 


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: bookiebasher on September 25, 2007, 11:36:11 AM
Eddie ' the eagle ' Edwards.....   enough said !!


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: sledge13 on September 25, 2007, 12:14:55 PM
Bob Carolgees...for his services to dog kind.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Longy on September 25, 2007, 03:16:49 PM
For me it's a toss up between Beavis and Butthead (biggest cultural influence on the Western World of the 80's and early 90's)  and Homer Simpson.

To actually nominate the most important person of the last 40 years you would have to divide them into sub-categories. You can't say Mohamed Ali had the biggest impact on anything other than sports. Mandela on politics etc.
The most influential person of the last 40 years will not be someone famous; the guys who invented the internet had a bigger impact on the world than Mohamed Ali or Princes Diana (FFS that she even made the list)..

A typical lazy telly executives idea this list but I'm sure they'll drag it out over 8 or 9 weeks..bless the BBC for spending my license fee on stuff like this.

I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well. 

I agree with Kinboshi the thing about Muhammad Ali is that he was much more than just a great boxer. He point blank refused to be called up for the Vietnam War in the late 60's based on his beliefs and became an icon to a good proportion of the usa (anti war and the african american minority), to the point where he almost replaced Martin Luther King as the figurehead of the civil rights movement in the states.

Many agree that he lost the best years of his boxing life because of this and he still went on to be regarded as the best boxer who ever lived ( I think there is arguement for Joe Louis as well).


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Jon MW on September 25, 2007, 03:21:10 PM
For me it's a toss up between Beavis and Butthead (biggest cultural influence on the Western World of the 80's and early 90's)  and Homer Simpson.

To actually nominate the most important person of the last 40 years you would have to divide them into sub-categories. You can't say Mohamed Ali had the biggest impact on anything other than sports. Mandela on politics etc.
The most influential person of the last 40 years will not be someone famous; the guys who invented the internet had a bigger impact on the world than Mohamed Ali or Princes Diana (FFS that she even made the list)..

A typical lazy telly executives idea this list but I'm sure they'll drag it out over 8 or 9 weeks..bless the BBC for spending my license fee on stuff like this.

I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well. 

I agree with Kinboshi the thing about Muhammad Ali is that he was much more than just a great boxer. He point blank refused to be called up for the Vietnam War in the late 60's based on his beliefs and became an icon to a good proportion of the usa (anti war and the african american minority), to the point where he almost replaced Martin Luther King as the figurehead of the civil rights movement in the states.

Many agree that he lost the best years of his boxing life because of this and he still went on to be regarded as the best boxer who ever lived ( I think there is arguement for Joe Louis as well).


I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well - in the USA - then


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: kinboshi on September 25, 2007, 05:13:44 PM
For me it's a toss up between Beavis and Butthead (biggest cultural influence on the Western World of the 80's and early 90's)  and Homer Simpson.

To actually nominate the most important person of the last 40 years you would have to divide them into sub-categories. You can't say Mohamed Ali had the biggest impact on anything other than sports. Mandela on politics etc.
The most influential person of the last 40 years will not be someone famous; the guys who invented the internet had a bigger impact on the world than Mohamed Ali or Princes Diana (FFS that she even made the list)..

A typical lazy telly executives idea this list but I'm sure they'll drag it out over 8 or 9 weeks..bless the BBC for spending my license fee on stuff like this.

I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well. 

I agree with Kinboshi the thing about Muhammad Ali is that he was much more than just a great boxer. He point blank refused to be called up for the Vietnam War in the late 60's based on his beliefs and became an icon to a good proportion of the usa (anti war and the african american minority), to the point where he almost replaced Martin Luther King as the figurehead of the civil rights movement in the states.

Many agree that he lost the best years of his boxing life because of this and he still went on to be regarded as the best boxer who ever lived ( I think there is arguement for Joe Louis as well).


I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well - in the USA - then

He was the most recognisable 'face' in the world at one point. 


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: madasahatstand on September 25, 2007, 07:05:56 PM
Bill Gates, but that would only cover the last 30 years if we are talking about making a lasting impression. This guy sybolises both the growth in technology and modern society as well as capitalism. A ying and yang kind of guy:)

I love Mohamed Ali though. He captures peoples hearts because of his passion for life, not just sport:)


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: boldie on September 25, 2007, 08:43:33 PM
For me it's a toss up between Beavis and Butthead (biggest cultural influence on the Western World of the 80's and early 90's)  and Homer Simpson.

To actually nominate the most important person of the last 40 years you would have to divide them into sub-categories. You can't say Mohamed Ali had the biggest impact on anything other than sports. Mandela on politics etc.
The most influential person of the last 40 years will not be someone famous; the guys who invented the internet had a bigger impact on the world than Mohamed Ali or Princes Diana (FFS that she even made the list)..

A typical lazy telly executives idea this list but I'm sure they'll drag it out over 8 or 9 weeks..bless the BBC for spending my license fee on stuff like this.

I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well. 

I agree with Kinboshi the thing about Muhammad Ali is that he was much more than just a great boxer. He point blank refused to be called up for the Vietnam War in the late 60's based on his beliefs and became an icon to a good proportion of the usa (anti war and the african american minority), to the point where he almost replaced Martin Luther King as the figurehead of the civil rights movement in the states.

Many agree that he lost the best years of his boxing life because of this and he still went on to be regarded as the best boxer who ever lived ( I think there is arguement for Joe Louis as well).


I think he made a little impact outside the world of sport as well - in the USA - then

He was the most recognisable 'face' in the world at one point. 


Yes he was very recognisable but he was by no means close to being very influential, and that's my point. He was a tremendous Athlete and a tremendous man however to have him in a list of most influential people in the world for the last 40 years is nuts. Martin Luther King isn't on the list, Malcolm X isn't..and those guys had an impact beyond the States and Lord knows they arguably had a bigger impact in the States for the civil rights movement. ..Rosa Parks had a bigger influence than them (arguably) in the States.

Ronald Reagan and Michael Gorbachev not on the list? Come on!..What about Thatcher? she is the sole reason why Russia and the US still have nuclear missiles everywhere (although the russians don't always know where theirs are)

The whole list is a joke.



Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: The_duke on October 01, 2007, 10:07:38 AM
The list was a bit of a joke -- however the winner is even more of a joke

Wait for it ----- Terry bleeding Wogan FFS --


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: Jon MW on October 01, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
The list was a bit of a joke -- however the winner is even more of a joke

Wait for it ----- Terry bleeding Wogan FFS --
rotflmfao


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: tikay on October 01, 2007, 02:38:42 PM
The list was a bit of a joke -- however the winner is even more of a joke

Wait for it ----- Terry bleeding Wogan FFS --

Which, to be fair, says more about society, than Mr Wogan.


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: jizzemm on October 01, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
The list was a bit of a joke -- however the winner is even more of a joke

Wait for it ----- Terry bleeding Wogan FFS --

Honestly ??


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: boldie on October 01, 2007, 04:53:54 PM
well...I think I can safely rest my case` :)


Title: Re: The person who best represents the last 40 years
Post by: The_duke on October 01, 2007, 07:17:45 PM
The list was a bit of a joke -- however the winner is even more of a joke

Wait for it ----- Terry bleeding Wogan FFS --

Which, to be fair, says more about society, than Mr Wogan.

You are dead right of course my particular feeling for the man who sold his nationality to become a real 'Sir' is immaterial as the public voted for him.....