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Ok so i dont have the HH for this as my PT got some kinda virus form an update. But here it is in all its glory.

I have $250, opp has me covered @ 1/2. Opponent not say he can make huge bluffs with missed draws, can induce the bluff off missed draws, and leads with a set into preflop raiser.

He limps, i raise to $8 from the button with  Kc  Qh, he calls.

Flop comes,    Qc Tc 6s. He leads out for $10 into $20 pot. I raise to $30. He calls. Pot is now $80. Turn comes  Qs. He checks, i bet $60. He calls?? At this point i think i have him crushed and he proly has the nut flush draw with maybe a gutshot, say  Ac  Jc. River comes  4s and he jams. Pot is now $200 and i have $150 back.

call or fold.

Insta call. 

call

fold. he has pocket 6's.

if it was tonight then he more than likely runner runner flushed you

Well it depends if he's good or bad, this is a horrible spot to bluff a missed draw and i'm sure you know that an all in overbet on the river here means you're beat a high % of the time. 

I called, it was a horrible curiosity call tbh and i should never have made it. He has to know it looks like a missed flush draw so prolly has the goods. EEK.
He had As8s for rr flush, well done ironside, nothing gets past you son.

only a fish could think like a fish ;hide;

why call reraise on flop with  Aspades 8s ???

cause he thought he might be ahead

Tough descision- just have to add to your notes that he jams when he gets lucky on the river!

As a side note: If idiots want to call a re-raise OOP with what is effectively junk once that flop is out, then sometimes you have to pay them when they get lucky.

You charged him well over the odds to see a turn card. He also got less than 5/1 implied odds on the turn ($60 to win your $250 + the $40 he had already invested) to hit one of 7 outs (>5/1 shot.) Add in the fact that he would have lost more if the Ks or Ts hit, and it's clear that his play was pretty poor.

All you can do is play the hand as well as possible, and over-charge draw-chasing fish. I always try and take comfort from that fact whenever I get sucked-out on anyway! You know where his money is ending up long-term.

My normal note under these circumstances is "loose idiot b4st4rd fish tfdbnhjyyo.jnh,jgggggggggk"

Since my chat-ban (I've chosen not to have my chat re-instated) the majority of my notes include "f*cking useless c***."

I Like the fact that you have no HH and I don't have to trawl through all the usual crap to get to the nitty gritty. I wish all analysis posts could be like this.

would you start to give us your thoughts on hands if more people were to do the same?

I would definitely read a lot more of them.

I'm not good at hand analysis, but I would probably post occasionally if the better players/analysers don't embarrass me too much.

well worded, i think it's good to acknowledge the potential disparity between the two and it's never really eluded to on here in this context but there is a difference on occasion between the proficient pro naive in the contemporaneous language specific to on line hand analysis and the imperiously consumate "analyzer". Although the concept of EV is something that is paramount to the mutitabler a lot of the other terms used when analyzing single hands are already pr-established concepts that have just been reworded by the mathematically analytical online generation who are impetuously haughty when condescending to those that have dared to post an opinion lacking in the established colloquial terminology or deviating from what "the books" say.

as for being embarrassed dont worry about it, a lot of cool guys have moustaches, tom selleck, jonny depp ect.........

Thank you. (I think....)

Quick someone pass me a thesaurus

For me this call is dependent on how often you think this particular opponent is going to fire the overbet when he misses the legitimate draws in this spot. You cant even give him a legitimate backdoor like KJsp or J9sp as this aggressive type of opponent would generally be re-raising again with this type of hand on the flop after your raise to 30. You essentially can only beat a bluff, he's not gonna make this bet with QJ or anything less. I'd probably throw it away, for the wrong reason as it turns out. I'd have to give him AQ or a full that he was playing slow putting you on the kind of hand you have. Overbets in this spot are more often than not value bets, bluffs tend to be on average smaller.

We could start using converters in PHA to clear up the hh's as they do on 2p2. I would probably be in favour of this, as it does make the whole hand easier to read, but it does lead to eliteism when new pha posters will get flamed for not converting their hands.