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Title: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: AlexMartin on October 11, 2007, 04:32:39 AM Ok went to Paris @ the weekend with poot results. Id like opinions on this hand where i think its pretty marginal but would like opinions.
At the Aviation club, 5/5Euro blinds, we have sat down with 350. We have no info on players but the 2/4 we were playing earlier was typical of live cash, ie full of players that love to see flops with any old cards. 1st hand. 2 limpers middle position and we decide to take the initiative. We raise to 35 from the cutoff with Aspades Qh. 3 players call. Flop Ts Ks Jh Happy Days. We flop the joint. But with the flush draw out there, we are a little vulnerable. There is roughly 170 in the pot, so 130 euros feels about right after they all check to us. 1 chap calls. Turn comes down, 9s Player looks at us before tossing in 400 euros out of a huge stack. Do we pass or call? We have 170 ish left. Call or fold? Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: Longy on October 11, 2007, 04:55:19 AM I think we have to call but not like it.
Odds wise we are getting 170 to win 570 which is over 3 to 1, we are only beat by a flush which we have a redraw against assuming Monsieur doesn't have the Qs Js (which would be sick). Also he may have been chasing the straight with bare q and got there hands like kq,qj,q10 etc. I can't let this go, but i have a feeling you going to tell me you lost somehow. Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: pswnio on October 11, 2007, 08:22:51 AM If you're behind to a normal flush 70% of the time, and you're about 6-1 to redraw, then 10% of the time you win the pot.
Let's say 5% of the time you're drawing dead, and 25% of the time you're ahead (in which case he's pretty much drawing dead unless he holding J or Q of spades). At these figures you're a bit under 35% to win, so a call is clearly +EV. You'd need to be ahead less than 15% of the time here on the turn, given the redraw possibility, to make folding the right option. I've only just started playing cash, so if all of the above is total baloney, please let me know and save me some money in the long run! Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: action man on October 11, 2007, 11:22:59 AM I think we have to call but not like it. Odds wise we are getting 170 to win 570 which is over 3 to 1, we are only beat by a flush which we have a redraw against assuming Monsieur doesn't have the Qs Js (which would be sick). Also he may have been chasing the straight with bare q and got there hands like kq,qj,q10 etc. I can't let this go, but i have a feeling you going to tell me you lost somehow. agree with the above 100% Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: doubleup on October 11, 2007, 11:23:54 AM Is opponent French?
Yes- call No- fold Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: AdamG on October 12, 2007, 12:57:31 AM got to call, right odds to call as ur short, always chance to suckout on the frenchy if he doesnt already had str8 flush - he wunt bet this much with that thought would he????
Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 12, 2007, 01:11:20 AM instacallage
Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: turny on October 12, 2007, 01:45:38 AM instacallage what he said cant even see why your debating with the redraw on a hand you could be in front with anyway. if your redraws dead cos he has the st8 flush u shoot yourself rotflmfao Title: Re: Live Cash game with the Frenchies Post by: Smart Money on October 12, 2007, 10:08:25 AM My chips would be in the middle Hellmuth Style. :)
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