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I was making my debut at a club the other week, I won't mention the name, when one player hit the nut flush, but only smooth called the river when his neighbour bet out. I believe his neighbour had a pretty decent hand and would have called all-in for the remainder of his chips if re-raised, but obviously he wasn't and therefore remained in the game. Before the guy called with his flush (on a non-paired board), he said something like, "I'm going to have to call this time."

Is this 'same village' crap acceptable in a low level comp and is there any action that can be taken?

Don't go back.

Tell the club why.

i've given up complaining, they don't stop whatever you do.

I don't have a problem with this sort of thing. It's like cheating in exams...you only really cheat yourself. In bigger badder comps you aren't going to have your buddies around to lean on for some easy chips so you will be lost at that standard. Low level sums it up...both in terms of buy-in and mentality, so just let their antics amuse you...safe in the knowledge you have bigger GUKPT fish to fry:)

Have you ever seen a correct penalty dished out for soft play in England? In most places staff are too afraid of upsetting regulars and will either not know what to do or turn a blind eye. In a proper tourney its a sit out penalty of 1-4 rounds of play. In order to give such a penalty the staff need to have good knowledge with a proper set of extensive rules in place. In an ideal world the stakes wether a $5 re-buy or $1000 freeze shouldn't matter. I would however in the real world give a bit of leeway in a complete donkament if I was sure the player was not aware they were checking the nuts.

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So long as we all turn a blind eye to such cheating, it'll continue. I've only ever seen one TD in the UK penalise such action - Yogi, (now of DTD) in his Blaclpool days. In some Venues, such cheating is deemed as acceptable, & it goes on all the time. I caught a geezer doing it, & addressed him as "Mr Cheat" for the next 6 months, openly & publically. He rarely sends me a Christmas Card these days, dammit. His excuse was "well, lots of players do it". That's all right then.

Shoot 'em.

My view would be to refuse to support Venues who condone, by their inaction, such practices.

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imo this has become something you have to learn to except. I have heard stories galore about cardrooms being run by players as opposed to managers. This is not right but until some management grow some balls and ban this behaviour it will go on and on. My advice is if u want to play a small tourney play one online. LEave the live fish for the bigger games.

yeah that might be true if indeed you play the big events..(and even then it is complete and other bollox)  most players don't have the dosh to play in those events and will find it tougher to make money because of collusion..it's ALWAYS unacceptable, simple as that.

Same village play is way too prevelant for my liking and was a big part of Gala Notts when I first started playing. At that time, the majority of players didn't see anything wrong. The problem is, however, is that they never will until the Tournament Director's start enforcing the rule, whatever the level of buy-in. Why should someone be subjected to such cheating and blatant collusion just because they're not a high stake circuit player?

yeah that might be true if indeed you play the big events..(and even then it is complete and other bollox)  most players don't have the dosh to play in those events and will find it tougher to make money because of collusion..it's ALWAYS unacceptable, simple as that.
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A number of established players have, on occasion, kicked me under the table whilst playing in my local casinos to signify a strong hand. I really don't like this when it happens because my preference is for fair, tough play. But it has, does, and will continue to happen because it is very difficult to prevent. I ALWAYS play as hard and fast as I can...even against these guys...and then they get the message. I don't want any favours at the table. But if you get two willing participants in this equation then it is almost impossible to stamp out...rules or no rules. It is all to do with the ethics of the individual player.

Well it comes as no surprise that you've had several kicks under the table - I regret to say that Walsall is one of the venues where this trait of soft-playingis & collusion is most common. Spme years ago, Gala Notts was the UK Headquarters of such practice, but I've not been there for ome time, so it'd be improper & quite possibly wrong to suggest it's still the case, & I make no suggestion that it is.

This truly is unacceptable at any level. and the Mr Cheat tag should be handed out everytime.
But I find most people very polite and don't want to cause an arguement or worse be confronted by aggressive behaviour so let it go by.
Some how TD's have to be told across the board that this is simply CHEATING and should not be tolorated.
How? I don't know

because TD's want to be mates with the regular players and think that they can't stand up to them because of them.

I will tell you what partly causes this problem. Some folks genuinely - really - don't realise, understand, or accept, that it's wrong. When I confronted Mr Cheat, publically, he could not understand my gripe. "But he's my mate, we swapped 10%, me, him, & 3 others never "play" against each other, we never have".

So you see, he did not deny it, he openly admitted it - "what's the problem?". And that's the problem. Not easy to solve, particularly when players come from different ethnic backgrounds, we don't understand their culture, & they don't understand ours.

Only strong TD-ing can solve it. So, in the UK, at any rate, it will never be solved.

Whenever im playing against a good mate in a tourny, i want to take them out more than anyone else!

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I play hard and fair against everyone....except Mrs. Mantis. When the table draw puts us at the same table I KNOW I will have a different attitude if we meet in a pot. How could I possibly change that mentality?

Now me and Bambis (Mrs. Mantis) have an understanding that we will treat each other like just another player at the table and I like this attitude. We both bet and raise into each other if we think we have the best hand and we don't mind knocking each other out. But I wont bluff her...if I have nothing I check.

As much as I love the game and fair-play I am involved in a much bigger game with the other half. We play the game of life together...and this is a MUCH bigger and more serious game than the one you play at the felt. Poker is just a game within a game and it's rules are insignificant in comparison. If by avoiding confrontation with each other and not bluffing each other we both make the money then that suits me just fine. I am very happy with my ethics with regard to this.

The thing is...if I can be less ruthless with Mrs. Mantis then I find it inconsistent to be critical of the lack of ruthlessness between others. So I wont. It doesn't really bother me much at all really.

I see weakness in people who do it and that makes me think I have an advantage...and my weakness is Mrs. Mantis

Snoopy knocked out Danafish in the Vic last week. Chip dumping i think. :)

Chick dumping more like. The extra washing-up, additional household chores and complete obliteration of the brownie point bank mean this is a decidely -EV play.

plenty  can  , and should,be done to stop this cancerous  spread that is riddling poker !

here are my 5 steps that i take   

1   confront the cheating players directly immediately after the  showdown

this clearly lets you establish wether it was intentional etc.
it also lets them know you are aware of the soft play/collusion, and lets them know its wholly unnacceptable,  and  why.

2  ask the dealer  what action they are going to take

they should be the first point of corrective action,though recently,most dealers aare either blissfully unaware, or now players themselves and  do it too  !!

3 ask for a ruling

getting a supervisor/td to rule on the coup


its critical that they are aware of what the culprits are up too.

4   be prepared to stand up  and leave the table

tell the cheats why you wont continue to fund them.


5  enforce your values on return to same casino

its amazing how you will have slowed/stopped the villians.



there are many scenarios where this play can be used against them to get more chips,so there are two sides to the coin.


giving up is just simply not an option in my opinion.


ps whilst the broadway insists on  NOT making all players in coup showing down cards in tornaments,they are playing into the colluders hands.

Hang on a minute, before you all get on your pedestals...

It's easy...

If the TD hasn't seen it, all you have to do is, if you have the balls to confront the player at the table (which not many poker players do), call the TD over and ask him what he's going to do about it.

If he doesn't do a thing about it, you should have the sense of principle never to play there again.

The sofa's filthy.

First and foremost..CALL FOR A RULING.

There are too many players that try to sort things out themselves and in some cases draw the wrong conclusion.

There have been occassions when, with the TD present, 2 players check down a hand to eliminate a player and at showdown the last player to act has the nuts. When confronted with the question,"why didn't you make a bet?" the response has been...
"I went blind and didn't look at my cards."  (yeah, that's convenient)

Another scenario, is too many Card-rooms don't insist on SHOWDOWNS whenever both players have checked the river or when a bet is called on the end.  If this is not enforced, this also can lead to sharp practise.

Of course there are still many card-rooms that don't have strong direction from the card-room. Too many casinos' still view the competition as, well let's get it over and done with so the croupier can be put on roulette or blackjack. Usually these are the ones where the players tend to give up on a ruling an sort it out in the car park.

In my experience, the Tournament Director often favours the regular, especially if he didn't see it or is fobbed off with an excuse. There's also the added problem of insulting the regular, and how often do you actually get backed by the rest of the table in these situations? For me, solving the problem shouldn't be in the hands of the player, instead Tournament Directors should make it perfectly clear to both players and dealers that such acts of collusion are considered cheating, are unacceptable and will be punished forthwith. I don't think I've ever heard any TD say that, at any level.

This is cheating whatever way you look at it and to be honest im amazed by the fact that some people on here are of the attitude we should just ignore it unless its some kind of big buyin event.

I use to play at Notts Gala and as Snoops & Tikay alluded to it wasn't the cleanest game in the world, but on the one occasion something of this ilk happened on my table, when i spoke out I actually got a ruling in my favour (a played had exposed a card delibritley IMO to his mate who was still in the hand, which was  Aspades on an all spade board when he was all in with his mate playing a dry side pot and no one apart from me spoke out I was amazed everyone else just sat there and said nothing).

As has been said by standing up for ourselves, asking for rulings etc can only help the situation and at least make players aware that is cheating and will not be tolerated by all.