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Villan is a bit of an unknown (i extensively datamine) is playing at least 2 tables, I have just joined the table and have no feel for his play apart from his stats.  Villan is running 26/7/1 through 50 hands.

Call this all in? Comments on the rest of the hand welcome.


Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $96.53
UTG+1: $87.07
Hero:  $98.50
Button: $106.68
SB: $161.67
BB: $86.01

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Ac 8c
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $4.5, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 7d  Aspades 8d ($10.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $7, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 6d ($24.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $15, UTG+1 raises all-in $75.57, Hero feels like a nit and then?

I'm folding - there are just too many credible hands that are beating you and I'm struggling to find a worse hand that he would go ai with.

For me the interesting point of the hand is whether you should have bet the turn or not.  Giving a free card and letting a singleton diamond draw out on the river seems like a mistake, but in reality it probably doesnt happen that much - maybe 10-12%?  With his stats he could limp with AJ/AQ, so by checking you miss some value.  Would be interested in others thoughts.

calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.

LOL

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I'm struggling with this at the moment too, always seem to make the wrong decision. Depends on the Villain i guess, and on how you've been playing - but I think some aren't going to even call on the turn here with much that you're beating, and by building the pot you may be encouraging them to bluff any scary river, of which there are many, giving you another problem. I think I probably prefer to check the turn and call or value-bet a non-diamond river.

I suppose checking might lose some value, but isn't it difficult to say given that at this stage we've no idea where we are? If the river's a blank and he then decides to bet his AQ or JJ then we might be gaining value as he thinks he's ahead with a hand he might not have called with on the turn.

Just noticed that you haven't played with him before, so since you have no idea what he's called you with here I think maybe pot-control is a good idea. As it is I don't really think you can call the cr all-in.

insta call. he has A7.

hmmmm are $100nl players paying attention?  Anyway if they are are would your advice be different if you could open fold your 2pr?  Would it be different if the software would automatically fold your hand without showing if it was a loser?

no, its just an added value

OOPS, didn't realise you were serious.

From my experience, more often than not, you are beat here. I'd probably say he has a set of sevens if anything, maybe Kd Qd.

ok, thanks for the input

Hello mate,

I think you make 3 mistakes here:

1. Raising a limper with a rag Ace in the cut off (assume limpers have small pairs so your implied odds of winning a big pot are small as he will fold on flop unless he hits set)

2. Betting the turn when a scare card for you comes

3. Considering calling all-in when the scare card comes and you don't know the player

so, I would avoid these situations and if you get into one, keep the pot small and maybe pick up a bluff bet on the river

In 100bb NL cash games making steals pre flop / on the flop can get you into trouble (raising a limper with A8 is a positional steal IMO), I would look to play hands where I'm goona win someones whole stack such as suited connectors and small pairs, I dont want to play hands that dont play well on the flop and win big pots like AQ or lower.

Cheers Rob

YVW

fold.

Thanks for the replies people.

The comments on the turn bet are interesting and im leaning towards agreeing that maybe checking here then value betting/calling a blank river is a good line. I just get a bit zomg you are not seeing a free diamond here, I bet. As i seem to be getting little value.

As for the results I passed as i am indeed weak tight (but at least you lot tend to agree) and villan showed  5s 5d for a semi bluff check raise which shocked me ,but i still think i was probably crushed by his range. Shows how little respect my cbet's get at times.

you seem to be attacking limpers quite regularly if this hand is anything to go by, so u shouldn't be that surprised when ur cbets dont get max respect on A high flops, and theres a myriad of hands that can semi-bluff these turns against a (presumably) quite aggro player, I cant see the logic at all in a fold.. if you are gonna cultivate a loose image, you have to be prepared to suck it up and stack off on boards that start to look scary.

I agree I wouldn't raise this pre, what I hate if you don't bet is then the check/call style with another decision on the river. If he does have a flush you probably lose less by bet folding the turn. Of course this bet pretty much gets raised by better haands and weaker ones fold with very little in between. I still fold but it is an annoying situation.

Yep fair point Totalise, basically im in transitional phase and trying to lag up my game. Therefore im facing situations like this alot where im not use to other people viewing me like this and therefore im struggling with ranges etc.

Hence why I posted this hand.

One thing though, I think the stats on the player were a bit misleading (small sample),  I would think that you had a call vs a loose player and the stats didn't indicate he was that loose  - I would expect a vpip of the high 30s from someone playing 65o utg.  I think he also makes this play against a tight player, so I'm not sure that your image makes a big difference here.